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Cop looks this way because this alternative universe when punks were wearing martial art clothes, hippies prefered long boots , JFK kill sniper using HMG and newsstands were base of USA economy because nobody trust banksAdam the Waster said:
Honestly soldier need 2 more models in my opinion.
Btw spider looks more like clone frome kiling floor or spider man enemy that zombie XD
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I think it coudn't work because of reasons. Like this is too late/ too much of work to make this and better to get gold/ banditsGuppycur said:Yeh the cool special looking things on these new zombies will even further showcase the lack of zombie diversity in game. It'd be cool if there were regular mundane zombies but when you see 50 soldiers coming at you and they all have the same vest tear and same exact guts bouncing around, it'll really highlight just how badly the game needs variants.
Don't get me wrong, they're cool looking AF, but I'm still right.
My *recommendation* would be to take a zombie, say the soldier, make ONE version and then have different children on the mesh have the variations, then on spawn roll a random number to decide which child is shown and which is hidden, so that you can have multiple variants using the same model. One child has the guts, another a bite wound, another a clothing tear, another a sidearm, another a rank insignia, etc... all hidden, then on spawn it decides which 1, 2 or 3 of those children get shown, and voila, instant variants.
I know this method already works, because science tells me so.
Guppycur
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I'd have agreed with that a few years ago, but this already is the what, 4th? 5th? time they've redone zombies?
...I dunno, if they do it right, they can set themselves up for the future. Hell, they don't even really need to stop what they're doing, just add more mesh elements that can be shown/hidden.
But yeh, I know they won't do it.
Matt115
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Well honestly they added a lot of variants and then cut them. so number of zombie variants is small . Fact their looks good but they not enough number
Jost Amman
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And banks were run by skeletons! :madgrin:and newsstands were base of USA economy because nobody trust banks
Matt115
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Honestly i accept small number of guns- well this is not cod, kiling floor, resident evil so it doesn't need 20 types of pistol but more zombie variant are neccesary- even nacht der toten from cod WaW had a lot of variant and dead island , dying light, l4d2 etc. It's hurt a lot when you have "clone attack" so in my opinion it should be one of the most important thing- bandits can looks almost this same- just put masks and baracudas on their faces make 5 models and 4 colour variants and you will get 20 types of bandits. But zombies need to looks diffrent to avoid clone war syndromeMore zombies is the #2 most requested m-word (more guns being #1 by far). I get the why they don't do it, but I don't like it.
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I am inclined to think is vulkan too. the native version have more fps selecting vulkan render. Unfortunately sometimes i get texture errors (pink sky or ground) and random crashes using it.I just feel like the native version should always perform better when you have the recommended hardware. This is not unlike most games I've looked at on Proton. It seems like the wine version always runs better and yeah it probably is vulkan.
I appreciate your input though, I'm gonna go ahead and install 7dtd on my mint cinnamon and have it ready for update so I can test a little when alpha 20 releases. I do use a Nvidia Gpu, and a Razer mouse(no Hotkey software) so I'm still convinced on just using native windows for gaming for now
Don't you have wrong textures and crashes with a19?
I used to run it that way in a18 but with a19 is very inconsistent. Sometime seems to going well and crash without apparent reaseon and others times load with the sky or the ground pink or all the screen black and only the UI element render
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Mumpfy
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having zombies variation using child objects would be cool, and always look better, hats, small props, etc. tho it does implies a lot more work.
Texture variations while it takes some work.... them having the original maps and all that its just a bit more work and looks good enough if you make it properly in all maps to give more life to the world with not such a big hit on bundle size. you can have a few different things going on for each zed, like adding some logo to the shirt to make boe look like he was working at crack a book or stuff like that. not really that hard to do.
in the old models you could play around more making parts invisible using the texture only, without removing mesh parts, exmaple you could make helmets, hats go away because the head was full below, i think that is not the case in the new models anymore.
im going back to my cave, has fun all.
pd: it will always be called bubbles, embrace it.
Texture variations while it takes some work.... them having the original maps and all that its just a bit more work and looks good enough if you make it properly in all maps to give more life to the world with not such a big hit on bundle size. you can have a few different things going on for each zed, like adding some logo to the shirt to make boe look like he was working at crack a book or stuff like that. not really that hard to do.
in the old models you could play around more making parts invisible using the texture only, without removing mesh parts, exmaple you could make helmets, hats go away because the head was full below, i think that is not the case in the new models anymore.
im going back to my cave, has fun all.
pd: it will always be called bubbles, embrace it.
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Gamida
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so would that be something like a loot pool? Have groups of different zombie types (eg. Cop group, Worker group, Soldier group, etc) and then just randomly pick some from each group to spawn?Guppycur said:Yeh the cool special looking things on these new zombies will even further showcase the lack of zombie diversity in game. It'd be cool if there were regular mundane zombies but when you see 50 soldiers coming at you and they all have the same vest tear and same exact guts bouncing around, it'll really highlight just how badly the game needs variants.
Don't get me wrong, they're cool looking AF, but I'm still right.
My *recommendation* would be to take a zombie, say the soldier, make ONE version and then have different children on the mesh have the variations, then on spawn roll a random number to decide which child is shown and which is hidden, so that you can have multiple variants using the same model. One child has the guts, another a bite wound, another a clothing tear, another a sidearm, another a rank insignia, etc... all hidden, then on spawn it decides which 1, 2 or 3 of those children get shown, and voila, instant variants.
I know this method already works, because science tells me so. [SIZE=14.6px]
Adam the Waster
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i updated themGuppycur said:Yeh the cool special looking things on these new zombies will even further showcase the lack of zombie diversity in game. It'd be cool if there were regular mundane zombies but when you see 50 soldiers coming at you and they all have the same vest tear and same exact guts bouncing around, it'll really highlight just how badly the game needs variants.
Don't get me wrong, they're cool looking AF, but I'm still right.
My *recommendation* would be to take a zombie, say the soldier, make ONE version and then have different children on the mesh have the variations, then on spawn roll a random number to decide which child is shown and which is hidden, so that you can have multiple variants using the same model. One child has the guts, another a bite wound, another a clothing tear, another a sidearm, another a rank insignia, etc... all hidden, then on spawn it decides which 1, 2 or 3 of those children get shown, and voila, instant variants.
I know this method already works, because science tells me so.
Yeah, I'm a really visual person. I've long held that I can play old games and games with bad graphics as long as they are consistent in what they're trying to portray (and have good gameplay and story). So when I see the steel knuckles, I think "This thing can harvest animals because of the knives on the knuckles". Then when I see the stone spear, I'm like "This thing should harvest animals really really well" because (for anyone who knows about skinning or preparing animal meats) spears like the stone spear tip were used by ancient civilizations for exactly this purpose. Longish, flat, and jagged edged blades. It's also why the stone axe makes sense in this purpose. You could do it with a fireman axe, but it would be more difficult since the weight is off and the hand motion you're going for are relatively short, quick, straight rubbing strokes, whereas a fireman axe is weighted for breaking through walls and doors and such to get at trapped people to save them.
I'm not sure "balance trumps reason" is always a good policy, though. Not to mention nothing is perfectly balanced anyway.
I mean, we could argue that the HUNTING KNIFE should be the best animal harvesting weapon in the game, meaning even players using machetes would need to carry a hunting knife on their person for maximum efficiency when hunting. Indeed, the machete's shape and weight would actually make it a poor skinning tool because the length. With the spear, you could hold it just below the head and make your strokes, while with the machete, you're doing so with a much shorter lever arm and a much longer cutting edge, which would make it less useful for that, I'd think. Not to mention, as a person that likes the hunting knife's attack animation better (for some reason, it's WAY easier for me to get headshots with, even though it's a narrow collision box, because it's straight down the middle of my screen unlike the machete), I honestly wouldn't mind this all that much...Same with axes. When my eyes see that steel axe, I would THINK that would be the most damaging weapon in the game. Think about getting hit with any of the game's weapons and the only one that comes close to the raw damage the steel axe would do would be the steel sledgehammer. The steel axe has the steel sledgehammer's weight (or close to it), with not one but THREE cutting edges at slightly different insets added to it. This should cause TREMENDOUS physical damage to anything it hits, first from the blunt force of weight, which would be similar to the steel sledgehammer's, but then from the slash, since no amount of zombie flesh is going to stop that much momentum with a bladed edge until it cuts its way out the other side of whatever limb or area it hits. And considering that war axes were a more commonly used weapon than warhammers, complete with warriors training in their use specifically for combat, I think that's all the reason we need to see it deserves its own skill line.
Hammers and wrenches less so, they just make good makeshift clubs. Though I think I'd rather get dinged in the head with a baseball bat than a pipe wrench, personally...I do wish we had more Swiss army knives. Swiss army knives are fun in games, but developers avoid them like the plague. Trading versatility for a bit of power.
And yeah, "group friendly" skill as in "things you can do for the group". Every now and then I'll play a world with up to 4 friends (VERY rarely 5), and we tend to run into the problem that one or two people in the group feel kind of worthless to the group if we each choose a single skill line to go down. And the person that picks Intellect is the most valuable to the group, but tends to feel like they have no good combat capability because batons and turrets aren't really like most of the other weapon systems in the game.
But, as I said, I'm not sure the solution other than maybe moving medicine to Fortitude and gardening to Agility or something...
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Granted, I don't expect any changes (though the spear with harvesting would be a cool one...!), just these are things I've noticed over time playing with the game's visuals don't match up to what my brain expectations of them are. Or, to put it another way, where the visuals are kind of telling a different story, which kind of misleads the player as to what they should do. As you say, if the spear was just a pointy stick, it obviously wouldn't be an issue because a simple point isn't a great flesh/meat harvesting shape.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I still absolutely love this game. Just little things here and there I'd change.
Another is the loot system. I know a lot of people hated the old system, but it's weird to me that so few zombies can be looted, Oblivion/Skyrim style (especially ones that are clearly wearing/carrying usable game items, like the Lumberjack boots and jeans or the Cop pistols). While some of this can be handwaved as "the ones they were wearing were too torn up/destroyed to be useful", at least for the guns, you'd think there'd be some parts to salvage. And the big yellow backpack drop is just...weird...vs the old way. Though I get it's because in Alpha 15 or whenever that change was made the bodies would decompose, causing people to lose loot if they weren't able to quickly gather it all during horde nights.
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I'm also really excited to see the power restoration mission. The idea of objective based missions that would be a realistic thing someone would be doing in a zombie apocalypse sounds neat to me. Something other than "kill all zombies" or "get this random package we stashed in this random place". Makes me excited on what the future of missions might be...
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Matt115
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Okay : i will try to explain how to work. knifes have tiers - better tier better weapon. So machete is rly good knife. Axes are more tools in this game that weapons . So if you had axes so powefull that sledhammer ( but without armor piercing for example) nobody wanted to use sledhammer because this would be waste of resources and slot in eq. So they were forced to do in this way to avoid "total war syndrome" - a lot of things in game but players use only few of themYeah, I'm a really visual person. I've long held that I can play old games and games with bad graphics as long as they are consistent in what they're trying to portray (and have good gameplay and story). So when I see the steel knuckles, I think "This thing can harvest animals because of the knives on the knuckles". Then when I see the stone spear, I'm like "This thing should harvest animals really really well" because (for anyone who knows about skinning or preparing animal meats) spears like the stone spear tip were used by ancient civilizations for exactly this purpose. Longish, flat, and jagged edged blades. It's also why the stone axe makes sense in this purpose. You could do it with a fireman axe, but it would be more difficult since the weight is off and the hand motion you're going for are relatively short, quick, straight rubbing strokes, whereas a fireman axe is weighted for breaking through walls and doors and such to get at trapped people to save them.
I'm not sure "balance trumps reason" is always a good policy, though. Not to mention nothing is perfectly balanced anyway.
Same with axes. When my eyes see that steel axe, I would THINK that would be the most damaging weapon in the game. Think about getting hit with any of the game's weapons and the only one that comes close to the raw damage the steel axe would do would be the steel sledgehammer. The steel axe has the steel sledgehammer's weight (or close to it), with not one but THREE cutting edges at slightly different insets added to it. This should cause TREMENDOUS physical damage to anything it hits, first from the blunt force of weight, which would be similar to the steel sledgehammer's, but then from the slash, since no amount of zombie flesh is going to stop that much momentum with a bladed edge until it cuts its way out the other side of whatever limb or area it hits. And considering that war axes were a more commonly used weapon than warhammers, complete with warriors training in their use specifically for combat, I think that's all the reason we need to see it deserves its own skill line.
I do wish we had more Swiss army knives. Swiss army knives are fun in games, but developers avoid them like the plague. Trading versatility for a bit of power.
And yeah, "group friendly" skill as in "things you can do for the group". Every now and then I'll play a world with up to 4 friends (VERY rarely 5), and we tend to run into the problem that one or two people in the group feel kind of worthless to the group if we each choose a single skill line to go down. And the person that picks Intellect is the most valuable to the group, but tends to feel like they have no good combat capability because batons and turrets aren't really like most of the other weapon systems in the game.
But, as I said, I'm not sure the solution other than maybe moving medicine to Fortitude and gardening to Agility or something...
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Granted, I don't expect any changes (though the spear with harvesting would be a cool one...!), just these are things I've noticed over time playing with the game's visuals don't match up to what my brain expectations of them are. Or, to put it another way, where the visuals are kind of telling a different story, which kind of misleads the player as to what they should do. As you say, if the spear was just a pointy stick, it obviously wouldn't be an issue because a simple point isn't a great flesh/meat harvesting shape.
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Burrfly
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Couldn't agree more. I also stated that in another forum here, that with these new looking models (even tho they look cooler) you can see duplicates even easier from far away than with the older models. Because the older models looked a little closer to each other, you couldn't see clones from a distance so easily.Guppycur said:
It would be very epic if they made the zombie models themselves bald and with just underwear, and have a random shirt and random pants spawn with a random color and a random hairstyle, although I can imagine that that is a lot of work to make. It is indeed weird to see multiple exact same zombies, with the same scars, eyeballs hanging out, clothing styles, a jiggling hand etc exactly the same way.
But, this is absolutely no hate or whatsoever, because the game is looking spookier with the new models, which I love (and I think most people do).
That is my card too, paired with a a-10.
I tested again and i got pink texture again. Googling a bit found some post about similar problem in another games and they recommend erasing the mesa shader cache and some radv files in .cache and is seems to be working. At least the textures are normal. No time to play long to test crash.
Seems that the textures cached with proton doesn't mix well running in native? that makes any sense? No idea