PC A20 Developer Diary Discussions

[Khalagar]

If so, I am not a fan of this change.

At this point I'd just wait for them to cover the topic explicitly in a video, before getting worked up. They've pretty clearly done a lot of revamping on the building system as a whole, so A20 will very likely change the process entirely and be rebuilt and rebalanced from the ground up for the new system

 

[unholyjoe]

At this point I'd just wait for them to cover the topic explicitly in a video, before getting worked up. They've pretty clearly done a lot of revamping on the building system as a whole, so A20 will very likely change the process entirely and be rebuilt and rebalanced from the ground up for the new system

precisely and i answered the same question earlier either here or different thread. no more need for rebar and the only rebar i have seen in game (thus far in a20), is the ones sticking out of broken decorative blocks.

if you have the resource to make blocks respectively wood, cobblestone, cement mix and steel. you can make the block without the need to start at wood and then upgrading.

EXAMPLE: one cobblestone block (or shape you desire) 10 cobblestone or if you can make steel blocks (or desired shapes), you need 10 steel bars. cant be no simpler IF you learned the skill/perk.

seriously, there is no need to unless you wanted to and thats to use frames as the shape menu makes it easier then boiling water (for most)

 

[jorbascrumps]

precisely and i answered the same question earlier either here or different thread. no more need for rebar and the only rebar i have seen in game (thus far in a20), is the ones sticking out of broken decorative blocks.

if you have the resource to make blocks respectively wood, cobblestone, cement mix and steel. you can make the block without the need to start at wood and then upgrading.

EXAMPLE: one cobblestone block (or shape you desire) 10 cobblestone or if you can make steel blocks (or desired shapes), you need 10 steel bars. cant be no simpler IF you learned the skill/perk.

seriously, there is no need to unless you wanted to and thats to use frames as the shape menu makes it easier then boiling water (for most)

In my mind the issue isn't about the upgrade path. The advantage of rebar frames was that you could pick them back up if you made a mistake.

 

[Khalagar]

Honestly my main use of Rebar was just a more slightly more reliable nerd pole and that it was better for planning out bases etc because of the higher structural integrity. For actual building, you got way more exp by using wood frames and upgrading from there

 

[unholyjoe]

In my mind the issue isn't about the upgrade path. The advantage of rebar frames was that you could pick them back up if you made a mistake.

you can still make the frames (and the frames can be any shape you pick in the shape menu) .. just no more rebar needed.. easy upgrade is still the idea.

 

[jorbascrumps]

you can still make the frames

Which frames? Wood? Then you would need to upgrade each frame through every stage if you want steel.

 

[BFT2020]

Which frames? Wood? Then you would need to upgrade each frame through every stage if you want steel.

Or once you figure out how you want to build your base (with the frames), you remove them and replace them with concrete blocks.

You are not REQUIRED to upgrade the wood frames once you lay them out.  I use wood frames all the time when I got cobblestone or concrete blocks to ensure I am placing them where I want to.  Then once I am satisfied, I just simply pick them up and replace them with my construction block.

 

[jorbascrumps]

Or once you figure out how you want to build your base (with the frames), you remove them and replace them with concrete blocks.

You are not REQUIRED to upgrade the wood frames once you lay them out.  I use wood frames all the time when I got cobblestone or concrete blocks to ensure I am placing them where I want to.  Then once I am satisfied, I just simply pick them up and replace them with my construction block.

Fair point, I hadn't considered that.

 

[Matt115]

It's true for me.

For you. But MrDalekJD , Blackops amazing,  Mat Patt , Wow Such Gaming are popular 

 

[dcsobral]

Or once you figure out how you want to build your base (with the frames), you remove them and replace them with concrete blocks.

You are not REQUIRED to upgrade the wood frames once you lay them out.  I use wood frames all the time when I got cobblestone or concrete blocks to ensure I am placing them where I want to.  Then once I am satisfied, I just simply pick them up and replace them with my construction block.

That's easy when you are using cubes, ramps, poles and pillars. I don't think it's going to be easy to replace wood frames with corresponding ready-blocks when you are using 100 shapes with multiple rotations.

 

[jeromeN7]

That's easy when you are using cubes, ramps, poles and pillars. I don't think it's going to be easy to replace wood frames with corresponding ready-blocks when you are using 100 shapes with multiple rotations.

The new system doesn't seem so streamlined, if it can't offer the option frame stuff out at any upgrade stage with many advanced shapes, and then easily upgrade it. The cobblestone frame was nice to have for this reason.

 

[Roland]

Sounds like there will be a lot of interest in tomorrow's stream! Make sure to tune in for in depth view of the new shape menu and building with blocks.

 

[BFT2020]

The new system doesn't seem so streamlined, if it can't offer the option frame stuff out at any upgrade stage with many advanced shapes, and then easily upgrade it. The cobblestone frame was nice to have for this reason.

Wait?  There was a cobblestone frame?

For you. But MrDalekJD , Blackops amazing,  Mat Patt , Wow Such Gaming are popular 

okay and exactly why they matter?

 

[Matt115]

Wait?  There was a cobblestone frame?

okay and exactly why they matter?

okay - this mean people want to know about story and lore of the game or series. Ofc nobody want to buy minecraft to get info about lore of this world. But it have a lore and this allowed them  to make books or spinoff. The forest is my opinion just medicore sandbox - not bad not good just 6/10. But it have sooo good lore^^ and a lot of people was searching places to find clues what is going on. YT creatores were making a lot of videos about this and it was popular. I even think some people bought l4d2 because they was sure there will be some connection to diffrent Valve games and it will give them some clues - you know portal and hf are in this same universe.  So if 7dtd gave us some "clues" about lore  some people will be making videos with theories. More people watch them = more people will know about 7DTD - i think group of people bought 7dtd after video created by THE GAME THEORISTS. 

So - good lore ( not story this is something diffrent ) is important for zombie game. RE have good games with sometimes good stories (re 7,8 ) sometimes bad ( re 5, 6 ) but lore is good enough to bought if you want to know a lore of this universe. 

And honestly i'm kinda afraid - TFP promise us to add story - but this doesn't mean that lore will be good.

i will give you short examples 1. - you get info that Slim Pick - a bandit leader want to kill Big Lefty- okay you kill him but after that Slim Pick is going to kill you . You kill him and now you are a bandit leader of this mob. THE END. 

2. You meet a ex soldier and tell you that in  some secret lab is antivirus - you get there but this place looks "generic" ( i mean it doesn't looks good but it just doesn't  give you any lore info). You get a antivirus ,  you came back to this soldier but he tells you it is too late because virus is too much mutated. THE END.

L4D2 will be perfect example what i mean - ofc you can just shoot and run. There is a story- few people want to run away from zombies. But it have good lore - from writing on wall you can learn what happenes, from maps where are zombies  and when you will probably go in future. You can learn a lot about characters past, zombie outbreak, what CEDA done wrong etc. 

So this could be perfect for 7dtd. And if TFP want to make another game in this universe this would give them solid "base". 

BTW TFP if you want a good universe to yours game i can create it for free! 

 

[jeromeN7]

Who put something in my drink? What does all this have to do with the cobblestone frame? WHY ARE YOU QUOTING ME!?

 

[Roland]

There is now one frame block and it is wood. If you want to place a frame and then upgrade it you will have to do frame -> wood -> cobblestone -> Concrete -> Steel. It only requires 10 mats to upgrade each time so it really isn't a big deal as long as you have wood and cobblestone rocks and Concrete Mix in your inventory.

Place a frame and (with a claw hammer) click it six times and it is concrete for the cost of 10 wood, 10 cobblestone, and ten Concrete Mix. WIth a nailgun it would be three clicks. If you don't want to spend that much in mats then place frames to plan it all out and then replace them (by picking them up) with concrete blocks that you crafted.

There used to be once upon a time wood frames, cobblestone frames, scrap iron frames, and rebar frames. One of those is all that is left. However, the variety of shapes we can use to build in interesting and beautiful and satisfying ways has skyrocketed. So fewer starting points but many many many new toys to build with and you merely need to decide to craft blocks and place or start with frames and upgrade through the path which is very short and simple now.

I'm sure you will get even more details in the next stream and see it in action.

 

[jeromeN7]

@RolandIs the wood frame the only one left partially because it already took a lot of time to model all 1200 shapes for it? Because all wood frames now have 3D models? I'm not complaining about so many new shapes to work with, but I'd be nice to have frames for each upgrade tier. Just ideas, but if people really want it, perhaps we could get frames for cobblestone and concrete that are exactly the same model as the wood frames. I can see people biting the bullet and using wood frames, then grinding their teeth while they whack each block 6 times with a hammer, who knows...

 

[Doomofman]

Was there; It must  have been during that single 5minutes I got up lol. Ill go back and look for it, thanks lol.

1:35:12 in the YouTube VOD just after they show off the Spider Zombie design and the new regular zombie based on the old spider appearance. hopefully the below should bring you to the right moment

 

[dcsobral]

As far as the statement that was made about picking up the corners or the 1000 of odd shapes. If you don't want to upgrade each step and don't want to go through 1000s of shapes to find that odd one you placed down. Simply put the concrete block in hand and look at the odd frame block and do the copy block before picking the frame up. I think I said this right.

Only works if picking up that block doesn't break structural integrity. If you need to take out all of the blocks being supported by one particular block to replace that one block, it won't work. Now, I'm used to upgrading everything from wood frames so this won't affect me, but I can definitely see issues building out of frames then replacing the frames with blocks of the desired material.

 

[Jost Amman]

There better be some very noticeable differences between them if that's going to be the case.

Since apparently it's not like that, I guess you'd better be steady while placing concrete blocks, or you'll pay dearly your mistake!  :frusty:   :nod: