PC A20 Developer Diary Discussions
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KhaineGB
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Fataal said earlier in this thread that early fall was possible.
So I'd say end of October. TFP like to do exp releases of new alphas around steam sales to drive hype, so that'd position them well for the halloween sale.
wolfbain5
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Roland
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If not, I hope it is because A20 got delayed and not because you left the seat up on the toilet one time too many...
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Jost Amman
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I don't know, but I've been playing several mods where they added the additional "Scrap Tools" tier and honestly seems to work rather well all in all.
I'm just saying this because I instinctively associated the "Scrap Metal" tier with the pipe weapons...
BFT2020
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Really, I think swapping scrap metal tools with stone tools would be better (IMHO). Granted, it might make it more difficult (or maybe just longer to craft) than a simple stone tool / weapon, but at least with scrap tools, we don't feel like cavemen at the beginning
However, I am fine with both.
Matt115
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dcsobral
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The stone axe is usually better than the iron fireaxe long enough you'll find a steel fireaxe first. The issue is twofold: DPS and quality. The stone axe DPS already makes it really hard for the iron fireaxe to compete, and, on top of that, you'll find a purple stone axe way before you find a blue or purple iron fireaxe. The steel fireaxe is enough of a jump that even a low quality one can be a win, if you can handle the stamina cost.
I've actually been rather interested in how the quality system actually works, in regards to the difference between 1-6 and the tiers. Is it like a 50% upgrade per quality level and 25% per tier? If so, i wonder if the system will eventually get changed slightly to boost the higher tier items a bit more without making them OP.
SnowDog1942
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I think thats the actual issue. It sucks to find an iron axe and then realizing your stone axe is better.
They swing so much slower and drain so much stamina... its horrible
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BFT2020
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Not sure why everyone has such a hardon for bronze tools really. Yeah, bronze would be important if you are playing a civilization game where you started in the stone age and went all the way to modern era; but in a survival game based on today's technology? Why would anyone want to go through the hassle of making bronze for tools or weapons? If you got scrap iron or iron pieces, you would just do that since it is better than using bronze. If you were surviving or rebuilding civilization, you would want to get iron and steel production back up first; then revisit bronze once you are in the age of building sculptures and medals
Matt115
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honestly - idk how in usa but bronze is quiet popular metal. honestly scrap stuff is my of the most stupid thing -rust can easy infected you and you will just die. so it is dangerous. why so long bronze was used? because it doesn't need to be hot as iron to make a hammer for example. ofc wedling let you make iron or steel stuff but it have quiet bad durability. the most logical way is... not crafting stuff. why? in typical small city you could find enough hammers pickaxes saws etc for years. and the most will be broken because plastic or rubbish handle will not survive for long. So - if you were blacksmith will know what to do to make good steel . But typical guy not. so problaby will read a historical book from school and start on bronse first. So yeah you want to get steel production back but it need skill that 99% people don't have. so bronze it the best way because - 1. pipe tools will looks just bad and 2 - what anything else can be bettwen stone and iron in typical usa countryNot sure why everyone has such a hardon for bronze tools really. Yeah, bronze would be important if you are playing a civilization game where you started in the stone age and went all the way to modern era; but in a survival game based on today's technology? Why would anyone want to go through the hassle of making bronze for tools or weapons? If you got scrap iron or iron pieces, you would just do that since it is better than using bronze. If you were surviving or rebuilding civilization, you would want to get iron and steel production back up first; then revisit bronze once you are in the age of building sculptures and medals
ofc games need a lot simplifations but - more tiers of items = more to do
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spiceagent11
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coming here first!its not you're first time
hiemfire
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How to say one doesn't know jack squat about metallurgy and what bronze itself is without directly stating it... (Admittedly I know a slight bit more than jack squat.)
It is much simpler either to knock the rust off (a wet cloth, some sand or fine gravel and patience works) and cold shape it with a hammer into an improvised tool/weapon or melt rusty iron down and cast it for further forging than to try and do the research and trial/error that bronze (an alloy of copper and tin with varying grades, most of which are completely useless for tools and weapons, based on the proportion of the two metals) equipment would require. Bronze was replaced due to ease of acquisition of the needed materials and ease of converting the ores into forgeable ingots (don't have to blend 2 metals to make iron). Iron and steel are commonly available now, Bronze and it's component metals less so.