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A19e Nitrogen - UNSTABLE
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Damocles
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I already analysed their RWG. Its a bit different than my approach on placing stamps. And the had someone really spend time on collecting nice terrain stamps.
They look like some work went into them.
Roads are also more adaptive to the terrain than in the old version. (Funnily they have some similar problems making them smooth as I have experiences in edge cases)
Lets see if they also make the biome-distribution more diverse.
Currently its always the same biome-layout.
Next is to see what POIs where added/changed, and updating my list.
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Nitrogen maps work fortunately (no changes to the file formats). The prefab-list is not up to date, and several POIs get ignored (some might have changed dimensions since a17 too).
Best is to copy over a main.ttw file from an existing RWG A18 map, replacing the included one.
They look like some work went into them.
Roads are also more adaptive to the terrain than in the old version. (Funnily they have some similar problems making them smooth as I have experiences in edge cases)
Lets see if they also make the biome-distribution more diverse.
Currently its always the same biome-layout.
Next is to see what POIs where added/changed, and updating my list.
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Nitrogen maps work fortunately (no changes to the file formats). The prefab-list is not up to date, and several POIs get ignored (some might have changed dimensions since a17 too).
Best is to copy over a main.ttw file from an existing RWG A18 map, replacing the included one.
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FiftyTifty
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Fabulous, you don't have to do a complete rewrite.
How big are the stamps used by RWG? 256x256? 512x512?
Damocles
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Alpha 18 (test) version:
NitroGen for Alpha 18 (test version)
Includes the new POIs, and fixed some smaller issues in the prefab-list.
NitroGen for Alpha 18 (test version)
Includes the new POIs, and fixed some smaller issues in the prefab-list.
Damocles
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They use stamps in about 2048x2048 and 4096x4096 in 16 bit resoultion.
(But not that many). So instead of using small local stamps, the generator selects parts of the large stamps.
Has advantages and disadvantages.
They get selected according to the local biome and blended together.
In the xml are the blend rules.
Unfortunatly its only a single biome map, that is always the same. Wich I think should be improved.
Also the biomes are just to large. (Endless burned forest .. no thanks)
gpcstargate
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A18 is here!
A18 b139 experimental is here .. it's Not Stable yet .. maybe a week or two
Damocles
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The main difference is probably, that its an external tool. So I dont have to load all the Unity engine and Game assets into memory.
Also the way the terrain is "stamped" is different (using smaller stamps, running over Javas Graphics Renderer)
The road placement is also different how its processing.
... And I keep code as free of overhead as possible... I used to develop games for those old cell-phones (when they had buttons).
FiftyTifty
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So the stamps are for whole regions, rather than geographical features? That's got some merit, but far from ideal. The best combination would be to use 1024x1024 and maybe 2048x2048 stamps as a canvas of sorts, with 256x256 and 512x512 stamps used to add detail, such as valleys, mountains, craters, and such.
Being 16bit is objectively better, however. Allows for much more detail in the terrain.
warmer
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Not sure if it has been brought up before, but my biggest pet peeve in RWG are those circular out of place terrain pieces around some kind of small POI.
What is WEIRD, is the only way I have found to get rid of them is to turn off All lake options and use a import_HM.png for your world in order to get water.
Why that makes them disappear is unclear to me, but I would love an option to remove them from the game world as it really breaks the feeling of a "real" location due to how unnatural they appear.
What is WEIRD, is the only way I have found to get rid of them is to turn off All lake options and use a import_HM.png for your world in order to get water.
Why that makes them disappear is unclear to me, but I would love an option to remove them from the game world as it really breaks the feeling of a "real" location due to how unnatural they appear.
Damocles
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Looks like the "craters" for small lakes.
The small lakes generate a crater to ensure that water will not leak over the edge (causing the whole map to flood). They can be turned off by setting small lakes to none.
The preview-map does not show the small lakes as water, only a small dot for the location of the water spawner.
Small lakes are mainly a way to ensure a relatively even distribution of water sources, it the player lives in an area remote from big lakes or water towers.
They can exist in higher elevations, while the big lakes have a set water level for the whole map.
The small lakes generate a crater to ensure that water will not leak over the edge (causing the whole map to flood). They can be turned off by setting small lakes to none.
The preview-map does not show the small lakes as water, only a small dot for the location of the water spawner.
Small lakes are mainly a way to ensure a relatively even distribution of water sources, it the player lives in an area remote from big lakes or water towers.
They can exist in higher elevations, while the big lakes have a set water level for the whole map.
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FiftyTifty
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That looks pretty cool. Have you tried adjusting each stamp's black-white range, which makes duplicate stamps look a touch different?
FiftyTifty
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Good work, cannae wait to give it a go.
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