Hectorb911
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legacy means something from the past.
PC A18.1 (b6) Changes: Mining iron ore yields iron?!?
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PPanda0421
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I have been around since A10 and have over 2500 hours myself. Haha more adaptable and open to changes? I doubt it. Everyone has their own preferences and I'm sure that in some of your over 2.2K posts you've complained about certain features...
Scyris
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Oh I have believe me, there is some stuff in this game I just find overly stupid, but I eventually shut up about it and learn to live with it when its not being changed. That said the new microsplat map in a18 needs to be optimzed, as it causes every one of my fps issues, when I use a patch to shut that microsplat map off, my fps is a solid 60 everywhere, so its for sure the culprit here. I also feel getting rid of learn by doing was a stupid move, I'll admit it needed sime tweaks like maybe not having overall craft quality be dictated by it. Should just exist for weapons, mining tools, athletics and maybe constuction, with perk unlocks being based on having levels of the related skill. You have 60 in mining tools, this lets you get miner 69'er level 4, which lets you craft tier 4 or 5 tools, as well as the bonus to block damage. its Basically A18 minus the stupid stat locks like str, int etc.
Darkness Falls a mod I love uses that approach above for learn by doing, while crafting stuff, is partially level locked (though not high levels). It also has a class system and each class has unique things only they can make.
PPanda0421
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So the extra step for you is convert raw to iron without loss and not spending too much time in the forge. What you're describing seems like early game stuff. At mid to end game I guarantee you you'll be melting the majority of that iron in the forge to make rebar frames, iron/steel ingots, iron bars etc, iron spikes, etc. Unless you RP and don't use iron/steel ingots nor upgrade your blocks to reinforced concrete?
Waste time? Again you talk as if you only have 1 forge. By mid game/late you should be having 5-20 forges running at the same time so there is no 'wasting' time.
Jedo
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What an ignorant response. You know that they were cleaning up the menus ("wood furniture block") to make them less laggy. This aligns wholly with that. I said before that just one would not make a difference, but the bulk of them together does make a difference. If they already are doing that, which useless icons/items should not be included in the optimization? This ONE icon? Why? What makes it special? Nothing.
This is the sort of nonsensical, butthurt logic that is annoying. It has been shown that the raw iron was a pointless extra step, one that was literally proportional in every way to its outcome. Furthermore, the raw iron was useless for anything else (unlike stone, shale, etc.). Get over it.
OzHawkeye
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False comparison is false. Gun powder isn't a naturally occurring element in 7Days.
You should have asked for a Nitrate Boulder and a Coal Boulder first, and then we would have pointed out that both Nitrate and Coal already align, and have for a while, to the new paradigm for Iron.
Damocles
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Its not a false comparison. Every layman knows that iron and gunpowder are processed goods and dont occur in nature. There is even a whole age named after the ability to finally process and use iron.
Coal is obviously directly mineable. Nitrate and lead are not everyday things, no problem to abstract here.
Making things illogical just to simplify some task is not adding to the gameplay here. There are lots of other crafting processes that should rather be simplified. Like making concrete or flagstone blocks.
R0bb0b
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It's quite simple really. It's the last and now only resource that requires an extra transformation layer, and I would imagine that developers have been bitching about it for some time now, wondering why the hell they have to maintain this extra transformation stage just for Iron. It can be difficult to maintain a single chunk of non-dynamic code (by definition, a control structure, that may have been considered dynamic at one time, maintained to service only one single scenario is no longer dynamic), especially if the code base isn't optimized to begin with. It also doesn't help that the only purpose of iron ore was to be transformed to iron. Some developer saw an opportunity to throw a pain in the ass piece of code in the wood chipper and took advantage of it. It was optimized out. That's the reason.
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Sjustus548
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I don't quite understand why people are upset with this change. Instead of collecting iron ore that you have to burn down you just collect generic iron that you can collect from many different sources. No it isn't as realistic as having to collect ore but that's nothing to get too worked up about. Is anyone complaining that we don't have to collect logs, then turn those logs in to planks or sticks depending on what we need to use them for? No it has been changed to just getting generic "wood" now and it is a much better change in my opinion. People getting upset about the change seems more like a case of people just not liking change in general.
Morloc
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It's not bad to have some elements of your game be asymmetrical. In fact, it's probably a good thing. Keeps things interesting. We could of course go with Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange which are gathered from similarly colored lumps each found in a different biome....(wait, are there still five biomes?...perhaps they can simplify that a bit. I mean, what's the point of burnt woods anyway?).
After that's mopped up, please change the ammo system to be like in Mass Effect (2?) where all ammunition was completely fungible. What's the point of hauling around 6 or 7 different ammunition types.
And while you're at it, for the love of humanity, please eliminated 12? different types of canned foods. There should only be "Canned Food" period. That's surely increase performance to the point where we could add a few more zombies.
-Morloc
After that's mopped up, please change the ammo system to be like in Mass Effect (2?) where all ammunition was completely fungible. What's the point of hauling around 6 or 7 different ammunition types.
And while you're at it, for the love of humanity, please eliminated 12? different types of canned foods. There should only be "Canned Food" period. That's surely increase performance to the point where we could add a few more zombies.
-Morloc
Yes, let's throw some buzzwords at people, shall we? For as long as there is a concept of "transformation" in the game, and there has to be for crafting to exist, that "extra transformation layer" is simply a few extra lines in a config file and nothing else. If they used special code just for iron processing, then it was poorly written to begin with.
guardianangelmp
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People are upset because it is part of the slow march towards watered down, simplified, bland gameplay. It's these little changes that happen constantly that change a game from one that has some complexity in its gameplay to one that only requires an IQ of 5 to complete.
Of course it's "simpler" to have processed iron come from the ground, but it would also be simpler to have gun powder and cement come from rocks so you don't have to process them. Also, wouldn't it be simpler to just get all the loot from appliances and cars by searching them instead of having to wrench them?
Hell, instead of having to harvest anything we could just interact with the item or object and get all the product. Could have character stat or mod to replace the tools...simpler than just standing there swinging the tool, they wouldn't have to have the animation in the game....IT WOULD DO WONDERS FOR GAME PERFORMANCE!
Sjustus548
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Yeah that seems a little over the top of an argument for such a small change. There needs to be a certain amount of simplicity when it comes to games like this. Otherwise it would start to be a little too much complexity. Why are you okay with being able to use processed iron that you get from cars in construction? Shouldn't you be forced to smelt down all the iron that you find and have to use different molds to create different items to be used in different crafts? Why can you use wood straight from a tree and turn it in to furniture without having to process it first? Why do most the bullets use the same tip and casing even though they are different calibers? Simple, it's because having to do all that stuff would just be tedious and would inevitably take away from the game. However it is you justify it to yourself that you don't have to process all this other stuff to use it just think about it the same way with iron.
HungryZombie
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Come on dude, you throw out numbers to prove your point, then you're proven wrong, then throw up your hands and say "Well it just feels wrong" Don't you think you are just being a tad unreasonable at this point?
Roland
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Technical terms never last today. Someone eventually decides it is either offensive or doesn’t fully encapsulate the full meaning that a new term supposedly can.
The question is whether this game needs to be like Space Engineers or Empyrion by making raw resources unusable until refined or processed somehow. My feeling is that most would say no. I personally like that particular sharp stick but then I would have made it so that raw iron wouldn’t even be able to be scrapped in the backpack. I would force the player to process it through the forge before being able to take it as scrap or of course turn it into forged iron. And I would bring all the other mined resources into alignment with that.
But such a design sounds more extreme that what we have so it also sounds more like the subject of a mod.