PC a17 on release, that weekend you guys mention will we be able to play too?

You can show the game to new customers without letting your already existing customers wait longer for it. It´s not like that existing customers will stop anyone who doesn´t own the game watching those streams.
It´s not about those 3 days. It´s about the twisted logic behind it. Explain how giving this to streamers earlier will influence people that do not own the game please. How does giving everyone the new Alpha at the same time stop new customers from watching a stream?

@Roland. Well please explain how a system that takes away the control from the player can replace a system where the player has free choice.
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Well, I disagree that it is twisted logic. I submit it is plain straight logic that I have explained several times and which you’ve never once addressed directly—instead choosing to go off topic with me. Please explain how the logic I have given behind the importance of the event being exclusive is twisted. Don’t just say it is.

As for your question it depends on the feature. What are you talking about specifically? The direct answer to how is that the developers code it in that way. But you probably want to know why they’ve chosen to do so and yet you’re not being specific about which feature.

 
Tbh, if they only watch because of it beeing exclusive, the chances they are actually interested are pretty low. I mean those people would watch the next streamer playing an exclusive barbie game instead, if the 7d2d stream is not exclusive and all they care about is, is the fact that it is exclusive. I don´t think it is worth the deal tbh.

Especially not if no other games in a similar genre has a release on that exact same weekend.

https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?86417-Spawnrate-menu @Roland

 
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Sigh....exclusivity isn’t for the viewers. You are correct that they don’t care. Exclusivity attracts the media people who will be doing the event.

 
Tbh, if they only watch because of it beeing exclusive, the chances they are actually interested are pretty low. I mean those people would watch the next streamer playing an exclusive barbie game instead, if the 7d2d stream is not exclusive if all they care about is, is the fact that it is exclusive. I don´t think it is worth the deal tbh.
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Ok, good argument. But you are forgetting that the exclusivity is primarily to attract streamers. Whether exactly the watchers who like exclusivity or just the regular customers of that streamers finally buy the game doesn't matter to TFP.

And: Nowadays a lot of the gamers select their games from watching streams about new games. They obviously can't choose a game they haven't seen. Even someone who just looks for exclusivity might get an appetite watching the stream just you might get interested into a movie from watching a trailer. Even if watching the trailer was just because it was running on the TV of a friend and not your conscious decision.

 
Disgusting behaviour from the streamers tbh. It´s a shame you have to serve them as a dev. I never understood the whole streaming games thing anyways. Who has enough time to watch people play and playing for yourself?

 
Let's not forget that you are all quibbling over an experimental version. The actual alpha 17.0 will not come until later . The fun pimps were gracious in opening up testing to anyone willing to put up with bugs and repeated wipes to those members of the community who want to contribute. It's not done so all the entitled kiddies can have it early. If they choose to incorporate a streamer event more power to them but it's risky. Why would you want to advertise a likely hot mess on twitch?

Anyway, i feel sorry for the people that post how sad, upset, and disappointed they are. Truly anyone that has so little going on in their lives that this actually makes them grieve needs our pity.

 
Disgusting behaviour from the streamers tbh. It´s a shame you have to serve them as a dev. I never understood the whole streaming games thing anyways. Who has enough time to watch people play and playing for yourself?
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Believe me, I don't understand the fascination for streamers either, but a good friend of mine watches them a lot.

Would you prefer if streamers simply had to be paid? There must be SOME compensation if you want them to do something that they wouldn't do without it, right? They don't have any obligation to stream this game and no need if there is a pool of thousands of games to show. It is supply and demand

View them as a commerical entitiy like a games magazine or games website and you maybe appreciate what they do. Good luck getting a games magazine to report about your game, if they are not that interested. Then you have to work at it as well, suck up to them, give them the game to play... Would you view a games magazine as doing something disgusting

The fun pimps were gracious in opening up testing to anyone willing to put up with bugs and repeated wipes to those members of the community who want to contribute. It's not done so all the entitled kiddies can have it early.
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Objection! Getting access to early versions is part of the deal in EA.

 
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Right, but getting a glorified release candidate is a different animal. They don't *have * to do that and could just rely on a select group of testers.

 
Right, but getting a glorified release candidate is a different animal. They don't *have * to do that and could just rely on a select group of testers.
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The RC is just a label. The select group of testers has searched for bugs all the time. But TFP knows from experience that we will find more bugs, some of which they never might find without such a big hardware basis and different play styles.

So they call it RC because they know that further versions will definitely be necessary, but the step to let us test it and we finding more bugs is nearly inevitable. Non-EA games do this step after release ;-).

 
Disgusting behaviour from the streamers tbh. It´s a shame you have to serve them as a dev. I never understood the whole streaming games thing anyways. Who has enough time to watch people play and playing for yourself?
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Interestingly, this tends to be the response of people toward things that they don't understand: put it down, usually make it a moral issue in some way, dismiss it, and come up with reasons why it shouldn't be that way.

Thank you for the case study.

 
Disgusting behaviour from the streamers tbh. It´s a shame you have to serve them as a dev. I never understood the whole streaming games thing anyways. Who has enough time to watch people play and playing for yourself?
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Well...they didn't ASK for exclusivity. We OFFERED it.

Here's a question: What if PC Gamer asked for an interview with one of the owners to talk about 7 Days to Die and during that interview the owner allowed the interviewer to play and record his play of A17 and post it on their website as part of the story they did. Would THAT be disgusting? Where is the line in your mind between legitimate media marketing and disgusting media marketing or are you morally against all advertising and marketing in all of its forms?

I mean if you just have a deep seated loathing of all marketing and advertising then I think we can be done with the conversation...lol.

 
Interestingly, this tends to be the response of people toward things that they don't understand: put it down, usually make it a moral issue in some way, dismiss it, and come up with reasons why it shouldn't be that way.
Thank you for the case study.
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I didn´t find streamers to be a bad thing at all before i knew about the exclusive thing. I just didn´t understand the hype. And even now i don´t think every streamer is like this, so still not all streamers disgusting. Sorry no case for your study.

There is a big difference between someone visiting the studio of TFP and offering streamers the alpha earlier. ANd someone could have mentioned that we talk experimental here before page 4.

 
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I didn´t find streamers to be a bad thing at all before i knew about the exclusive thing. I just didn´t understand the hype. And even now i don´t think every streamer is like this, so still not all streamers disgusting. Sorry no case for your study.
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Then when the tendency (to lash out against what they don't understand) is pointed out to people, they have a desire to explain away or justify their response. When they see the harsh reality of who they are, they want to mitigate it in some way.

Don't worry about it, though. It's really difficult to escape our shared social psychology.

Case study adjourned. (Or is it?)

 
Then when the tendency (to lash out against what they don't understand) is pointed out to people, they have a desire to explain away or justify their response. When they see the harsh reality of who they are, they want to mitigate it in some way.
Don't worry about it, though. It's really difficult to escape our shared social psychology.

Case study adjourned. (Or is it?)
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Weird logic here. i didn´t leash out against streamers in general so your logic fails again. But what ever floats your boat dude. Really don´t care what you think tbh.

 
i didn´t leash out against streamers in general so your logic fails again.
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So in the quote below you specify a certain portion of the streamers who are the particular targets of your ire? If it's there, I will need you to point it out to me.

Disgusting behaviour from the streamers tbh. It´s a shame you have to serve them as a dev. I never understood the whole streaming games thing anyways. Who has enough time to watch people play and playing for yourself?
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Really don´t care what you think tbh.
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I imagine that most people on this forum don't care what other people think (in general or about them specifically). Most of us are anonymous and never will cross paths with each other anywhere else. That doesn't mean that people will let you get away with spouting nonsense.

I guess you can carry on not caring now!

 
Millions? Impossible. Me and everyone on my server hate watching streamers....
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Stop using acronyms, Roland. You know the old timers don't know what they mean.

quod erat demonstrandum

Latin, though...they definitely understand Latin.

 
Modders are the real content creators. I hope this helps.
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It does actually.... I remember a conversation I had with a fella in a thread about modding and his attitude towards modders was very similar to the attitude some have for streamers.

I was trying to convince him that playing modded 7 Days to Die was awesome and really breathed new life into the game. He called modders leaches who simply piggyback on the real Developers and create slipshod coding that can crash and damage your computer if you use them. He said he would never play an altered version of the game that was different than the Developer's intended way to play the game.

Nothing I could say could reach him and convince him to even try a mod-- or even add prefabs to his otherwise unmodded game. He was disdainful of those saying that they were all stupidly designed and unbalanced.

Now, I agree that some mods don't seem particularly balanced all that well and there are some POIs designed by people who obviously like looting a lot-- but the important point is that this guy hated modders and modding and considered them to be parasites of the gaming industry much like some here consider streamers.

And this illogical dislike kept him away from an entire world of entertainment.

 
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