PC A17 most likely [not September] according to Roland

Not fair? You act like they cut off access to A16 a couple months ago or something and nobody has been able to access what they paid for. Customers have had unbroken access to development builds for the past 5 years.
They aren’t making “deliveries”. They are developing their game and when it fits with their schedule they will update the public build to the next version. They aren’t delaying a DLC of a finished game that they took pre-orders for six months ago.

They can release this for Thanksgiving if they need/want to and people can just continue to play A16 or some other game in their library. Heck, go buy a new game because you’ll be able to afford that AND the price of the A17 update when it comes out...that’s how fair TFP is to their customers.
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It was a simple suggestion Roland, I was not attacking TFP or anyone, I think you read more into what I wrote. All I was simply trying to provide is having a planned development structure is a good thing which yes is entirely the right of TFP.

 
It was a simple suggestion Roland, I was not attacking TFP or anyone, I think you read more into what I wrote. All I was simply trying to provide is having a planned development structure is a good thing which yes is entirely the right of TFP.
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It wasn't just a "simple suggestion" though. You are not the first person to suggest it. Also, it criticizes and speaks to a process that you know nothing about. Along those lines, it assumes that TFP does not already have a planned development structure.

 
So MM said they were working on bug fixes, which means changing the code. You fix one bug and just created 32 more. This is not always the case but there is a residual effect. Think like the butterfly effect. Make one change and bam you're sterile.
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I think you missed my point.

 
They can release this for Thanksgiving if they need/want to and people can just continue to play A16 or some other game in their library. Heck, go buy a new game because you’ll be able to afford that AND the price of the A17 update when it comes out...that’s how fair TFP is to their customers.
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That's the spirit! Roland +1

 
It was a simple suggestion Roland, I was not attacking TFP or anyone, I think you read more into what I wrote. All I was simply trying to provide is having a planned development structure is a good thing which yes is entirely the right of TFP.
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If I read more into it then I'm sorry if I came off as harsh to you. Really, it wasn't even solely you I was responding to. There is a general disconnect between a lot of people who are treating this as a finished game and the developers who are treating this as a project under construction. The devs don't plan updates to be released so they coincide with school vacations, or to not go up against other game releases, or for any reason other than making it work best for them as they develop. They aren't going to fix bugs that we want them to fix. They are going to fix bugs that need to be fixed in order to keep developing. They aren't going to keep a feature or an option in the game because we really like it, they are going to keep it or discard it depending on what is best for their work.

As for suggestions regarding the TFP business model and operations...let's just keep suggestions focused on the game itself. The game is the purpose of these forums and TFP is happy with its management and organization.

 
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If I read more into it then I'm sorry if I came off as harsh to you. Really, it wasn't even solely you I was responding to. There is a general disconnect between a lot of people who are treating this as a finished game and the developers who are treating this as a project under construction. The devs don't plan updates to be released so they coincide with school vacations, or to not go up against other game releases, or for any reason other than making it work best for them as they develop. They aren't going to fix bugs that we want them to fix. They are going to fix bugs that need to be fixed in order to keep developing. They aren't going to keep a feature or an option in the game because we really like it, they are going to keep it or discard it depending on what is best for their work.
As for suggestions regarding the TFP business model and operations...let's just keep suggestions focused on the game itself. The game is the purpose of these forums and TFP is happy with its management and organization.
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Fair enough. I have been with the game and TFP since it's early days and fully support you guys.

 
I'm too impatient. I'll say this thought, everyone here is optimistic AF about this alpha ever releasing. I have come to a point that I honestly, 100% expect Alpha 17 to release in December or early 2019. Not joking at all. This is just getting sad. I would rather them just release an unstable A17 experimental build for those of us who just want to jump right on it. Obviously if you don't like the bugs, just revert back to the stable A16 build. This way, people can get their hands on A17, and TFP get a larger pool for bug testing. It could be a buggy as hell mess, but at least we have SOMETHING.

 
Hmmm. I thought I remembered something when I purchased this game. Terms of service thing that mentioned what I was getting into when I paid $25 for the early access. I think it said "The game is unfinished and the developers are under no obligation to provide anything more than the current state of the game at the time of purchase." Of all the verbage used, that was pretty clear to me when I paid for early access.

And quite honestly, I have just between 500-1000 hours on A16 and loved it. Vanilla and Starvation Mod junky. I still have DF and Medieval mods to try as well. I have spent $50+ on games I barely got 60 hours out of.

So, would all of you entitled whiners please, just stop. You got the same notice I did. And if your so huffed up, I doubt you barely played the game for less than 100 hours. And if you played it that much, you got way more than you paid for already. And as much as you like to think your threats of "I will never play this again" mean anything, we all know you will install A17E the hour it drops. Sp please. Just stop. My 9 year old handles himself better than this.

 
Those who want "the delivery" now - you'd be getting a raw pizza.

Some things are just not done, yet, others not balanced and in rare cases the balancing setup may still change drastically as we start getting feedback from a game that is starting to become fully playable.

I haven't even played it at all. Not for a minute. (I don't balance anything by feel. The systems are way too complex for that.)

There is content/data to finish, loot to distribute and adapt to the new systems, zombie stats and population distribution to beat into shape.

I get that you want to play it but... no. Not ready.

Nah to the ah to the no-o-o.

 
I'm too impatient. I'll say this thought, everyone here is optimistic AF about this alpha ever releasing. I have come to a point that I honestly, 100% expect Alpha 17 to release in December or early 2019. Not joking at all. This is just getting sad. I would rather them just release an unstable A17 experimental build for those of us who just want to jump right on it. Obviously if you don't like the bugs, just revert back to the stable A16 build. This way, people can get their hands on A17, and TFP get a larger pool for bug testing. It could be a buggy as hell mess, but at least we have SOMETHING.
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And I'm sure if TFP did that, there would be absolutely no complaining by anyone at all about how buggy the release was.........

 
I'm too impatient. I'll say this thought, everyone here is optimistic AF about this alpha ever releasing. I have come to a point that I honestly, 100% expect Alpha 17 to release in December or early 2019. Not joking at all. This is just getting sad. I would rather them just release an unstable A17 experimental build for those of us who just want to jump right on it. Obviously if you don't like the bugs, just revert back to the stable A16 build. This way, people can get their hands on A17, and TFP get a larger pool for bug testing. It could be a buggy as hell mess, but at least we have SOMETHING.
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^^

1% of playerbase is happy

but 10% of the early early Experimental will make videos they proof that 7D2D is a totally buggy mess after Years in development.

I would like too to get my fingers on such a early version, but to be honest, i understand them completly

Btw you have SOMETHING

its called A16, A15, A14, A13 .....

 
After I think about 2½ thousand hours in this game, I'm now seriously considering leaving it until release.

I think it will be really fun coming back to it - and hopefully will by then have forgotten some things and there will be plenty new to discover.

Even better if VR is implemented by release day, too.

Meantime I've kept myself very busy with other short-term games and the sims that I've played for over 10 years and will no doubt still be in another 10 years.

I really don't mind if it's a year or three - the longer the better now, cos the longer it takes, the more I'm likely to forget, the more fun it will be!

 
After I think about 2½ thousand hours in this game, I'm now seriously considering leaving it until release.
I think it will be really fun coming back to it - and hopefully will by then have forgotten some things and there will be plenty new to discover.

Even better if VR is implemented by release day, too.

Meantime I've kept myself very busy with other short-term games and the sims that I've played for over 10 years and will no doubt still be in another 10 years.

I really don't mind if it's a year or three - the longer the better now, cos the longer it takes, the more I'm likely to forget, the more fun it will be!
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I'm with ya, man.

 
I'll probably skip A17 altogether if it takes much longer. I was planning on playing for like 3-4 weeks, reaching end game and then just waiting for the next release. But if it gets backed up into October or later, I'm going to be busy playing Fallout 76 instead

Nothing against the developers. I understand they want to put their best foot forward and not release an unplayable mess, and that the engine and dev team overhaul has some growing pains, but competition is becoming a real issue here.

 
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Well, you boys have fun. 7Days will be here when you return. I just helped a couple guys this last week get their original Kickstarter keys converted over to steam keys. They haven’t played the game since before it went to Steam and they sounded excited to play again. Couldn’t care less about when A17 might come out as they were just happy to try out A16. That’s got to be an almost five year gap between playing so 1-2 years for you guys taking a break should be no problem.

 
I'll probably skip A17 altogether if it takes much longer. I was planning on playing for like 3-4 weeks, reaching end game and then just waiting for the next release. But if it gets backed up into October or later, I'm going to be busy playing Fallout 76 instead
Nothing against the developers. I understand they want to put their best foot forward and not release an unplayable mess, and that the engine and dev team overhaul has some growing pains, but competition is becoming a real issue here.
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Why post this? I taste salt.

 
Why post this? I taste salt.
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Because I have the right to post how I feel and what I'm thinking especially if it serves to show crowd mood which is very hard to judge digitally

As a developer I'd certainly appreciate constructive negative feedback

Also why target me instead of the other dozen people in the thread expressing similar opinions? I worded my post in the most eloquent and constructive way I possibly could have.

 
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Some of y'all acting like TFP is the dope man you gave $20 to last week, and you're begging for just one hit

 
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