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A16 - Tin'sMod: The Dying Lands.
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dreamdancer
Refugee
Heh. No, the problem you got was from making a typo in your copy/paste. You left off a comment closer when you copied the code from Pringlz to Tin in the recipes.xml file. Pringlz used a comment format that left the comment closer way out on the end of the line, making missing it in the copy/paste really easy to do. That's what caused your error.
It's a good thing you made that mistake too, as the blocks.xml issue wouldn't have turned up until you started playing the game and it tried to spawn one of the blocks that you'd overwritten the ID# of. Included in that are most of the Zed gore blocks of Tin's mod, so any time you killed a zombie the game would have either thrown a weird error, or possibly spawned a kitchen sink where the zombie used to be. XD
I'll bang out a working file for you. But since I need practice writing SDX packages anyway, and this thing might be useful to other people, I figure I'll just rewrite Pringlz's mod as an SDX package that anyone can use as an add-on to any existing mod. That is a more involved task though, so it'll take a bit of time. I'll use Tin's mod as a test subject though, which will give me copies of the 4 files you need. So you don't have to play with the SDX system yourself if you don't want to. Though it is a really nifty tool that lets you add all sorts of piecemeal add-ons to existing mods, and it's well worth checking out if you run a server and like personalizing your game.
It's a good thing you made that mistake too, as the blocks.xml issue wouldn't have turned up until you started playing the game and it tried to spawn one of the blocks that you'd overwritten the ID# of. Included in that are most of the Zed gore blocks of Tin's mod, so any time you killed a zombie the game would have either thrown a weird error, or possibly spawned a kitchen sink where the zombie used to be. XD
I'll bang out a working file for you. But since I need practice writing SDX packages anyway, and this thing might be useful to other people, I figure I'll just rewrite Pringlz's mod as an SDX package that anyone can use as an add-on to any existing mod. That is a more involved task though, so it'll take a bit of time. I'll use Tin's mod as a test subject though, which will give me copies of the 4 files you need. So you don't have to play with the SDX system yourself if you don't want to. Though it is a really nifty tool that lets you add all sorts of piecemeal add-ons to existing mods, and it's well worth checking out if you run a server and like personalizing your game.
gpcstargate
Refugee
Good day Tin
I have a suggestion .. Could you put a version in game maybe on the ESC page .. so we know wish version we are running for sure.
I know you updated to V0.0.8 .. but it doesn't say it anywhere .. Thank you
PS: and Yes I'm a 7d2d Launcher user .... unless sdx BBP is interfering with it .... Thank you again
I have a suggestion .. Could you put a version in game maybe on the ESC page .. so we know wish version we are running for sure.
I know you updated to V0.0.8 .. but it doesn't say it anywhere .. Thank you
PS: and Yes I'm a 7d2d Launcher user .... unless sdx BBP is interfering with it .... Thank you again
JCrook1028
Refugee
so........Dying lands - D2 go near a hungry harry's, cop spawns, with my 50 bow and stone arrows, he explodes cause I couldn't kill him fast enough so he respawns ofc, I'm 2 city blocks away by this point. He tracks me down anyway, this time I die. I respawn in my base, approx 1/2 km away..... start walking away from my base and here comes the cop again..... This mod is deceptively evil
That would be a bit tedious with all the different UI's and needing to alter them all every time an new update comes out. You can ask if sphereii would do so but that's completely up to him as he gets a copy of the new updates before it goes into the launcher. He may have a streamlined process to do so but I'm not for certain he does.
I may look into doing that when I feel I am at the point when I am not just adding little things here and there on a regular basis. Like I said though I am not going to stop you from asking him either
and thanks again for trying it out and hope it continues to entertain you as time goes on with it. 
Nice!
Yeah there's definitely something up with the cop sleeper spawns in that they keep on spawning over and over again at times. I think I might be able to stop that from happening but it's hard to really test out since its a bug that doesn't happen all the time.
What I am thinking about doing is getting rid of them exploding when their health gets low so you can actually kill them and hopefully it stops them from re-spawning in a poi like that but I still need to do more testing on that.
'IF' my experiments pan out, I'll probably up the vomit damage a touch in place of doing so.
.. and I'm thinking of also getting rid of their glow for the normal cops and just having it for the feral ones as all cops in vanilla glow atm.
Love the mod so far now that me and my guys are using it for the first time. One tweak I'd like to make if you could point me in the right direction. It seems the zombies come from too far away firing off a gun. I was looking in entityclasses.xml to see about changing that back to vanilla settings, it looks like thats on default "NoiseThreshold"? But yeah, it seems like firing off a single shot brings in a stream of neverending zombies, thats a little too much for us. I can fix it myself presuming I figure out which settings you changed to make that so.
Thanks again for the great mod so far though.
Thanks again for the great mod so far though.
Go in the sounds.xml: (example)
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<SoundDataNode name="Pistol_Fire"> <AudioSource name="Sounds/AudioSource_WeaponFire"/> <NetworkAudioSource name="Sounds/AudioSource_WeaponFire_Network"/>
<Noise ID="3" [color="#FFFF00"]range="14"[/color] volume="16" time="3" muffled_when_crouched="0.65" heat_map_strength="0.05" heat_map_time="60"/>
<AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/Weapons/Ranged/Pistol/Pistol_Fire1"/>
<AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/Weapons/Ranged/Pistol/Pistol_Fire2"/>
<AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/Weapons/Ranged/Pistol/Pistol_Fire3"/>
<AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/Weapons/Ranged/Pistol/Pistol_Fire4"/>
<LocalCrouchVolumeScale name="1"/> <CrouchNoiseScale name="1"/> <[color="#FFFF00"]NoiseScale name="1"[/color]/> <MaxVoices name="6"/> <MaxRepeatRate name="0.001"/> </SoundDataNode>I would guess though, that the zeds already are targeting you though and you would need to adjust in the entityclasses.xml their
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<property name="SightScale" value="-5,[color="#FFFF00"]295[/color]"/>Dragontear
Refugee
@Tin ; Just wanted to send goodwill, and to say thank you for taking the time and effort to make this. Haven't played the game for a while so if I'm incorrect about anything, my bad, quick go at 'vanilla' but have been playing Comsen Holiday mod for a week, moving onto this now. Always playing on 25% Loot and 30 minute days, but playing this with 50% loot and 40 minute days.
Long-winded thoughts below.
Long-winded thoughts below.
Been thinking of doing some form of Rwgmixer/mod akin to game called 'Darkwood', in a way; mostly dense pine-forests with numerous sub-biomes, abandoned small towns/villages and a large central city, spawning in a bedraggled 'hideout' structure. But playing through this, seems to be more or less what I was aiming for anyway. =D
I will first admit to tinkering with the sight-range (to 100ish) and view-angle (to 90/45 degree) somewhat as I found being 'Hunted' constantly in the wilderness to be... not sure what the wording would be, 'stressful' or something, wanted to be able to wander outside of populated areas somewhat quietly. Haven't re-tinkered with it since the most recent update while in a town.
I guess that feeling came about because the first play-through began in a snow biome, rapidly followed by so many zombies spawning well outside of actual rendering range, that by night-time, stuck out in the middle of nowhere... suffice to say, wasn't too keen sadly. Second play-through, spawned in a forest, camped out by a small lake first night (fighting off some varied zeds, mostly 'Fodders' and a few 'Ferals') and second day... found an actual, abandoned town, have been there since for about 16 days in total.
The very first structure (white wood abode) generated is amusingly one of the most secure ones, in the far corner of the abandoned town, next to a water tower and a Trader literally across the road, so it has ease of access to water, trading and wilderness for wood/hunting.
The spawning feels odd, but in a curious way; relatively few undead randomly roaming the streets, but lots of Sleepers, resulting in a strangely quite walk-about where moving from one end of the town to the other is perhaps easier than going in the wilderness, which might be due to the buildings blocking line of sight, but exploring even the abandoned or damaged structures suddenly becomes very dangerous given the number of Sleepers and their upped awareness and where they might spawn (a large pawn-broker's had some... nasty spawn-locations, later becoming the one-time night-7 fort), occasionally a random street-walker will take interest.
Progress is slow but compelling - I tended to take the Nomadic playstyle, so hesitated to put down roots so swiftly, thinking that I'd actually find the 'idea' place then do so, but even in a ruined town, there's enough loot and supplies to go for a while.
To wit with praise; If I may say so, the natural areas look so much better than in the un-modded rwgmixer; feels 'rich' in detail and more interesting, while somehow not being too hard on the graphics card (multiple year-old GTX 550 ti), same with the urban area though there is a little slow-down, more-so with torches but that is also the usual for this game. The altered and new poi's add a lot of... well, interest, with much more elevation and variety in the terrain, lots of minor poi's including surface/exposed little caves, small/large ponds, spooky-tree groups, coffin/dug-graves, rock/bush groupings, small stone-hillocks and standard poi's with wooden spikes and such makes everything feel more fleshed out. In addition, the 'haze' effect is very aesthetically appealing, and the weather system, I like it - seems to lean towards the cooler side, had only one short bout of snow and not much rain, but some foggy days/nights, over-cast seems more common place. Natural animal spawns feel like just enough, might desire more rabbits, make the area seem more alive given their more subtle visuals.
The occasional group of animals turning up is nice, though had some wild boar and a deer invite themselves into a laundromat while I was inside and began to wreck the place, oh well.
Vultures are actually a welcomed sight - so many feathers, woot, and also they do seem more aggressive, particularly as part of a wandering horde, more-so when they park at my temporary home while I'm scavenging. I don't remember seeing a zombie-dog yet, though have spotted some normal, can't-be-bothered bears, keeping well away from them, and saw/killed some wolfies and boars.
If I may throw some opinions in, based upon current play so not too in-depth; Perhaps move some mobile wilderness spawns over to town spawns, may be due to the increased sight-range, even with personal tweaks, seems more confrontation out in the woods than in a old town. The grass/rubbish and bushes littering the town-streets is nice, but the actual streets feel a little bare without larger objects like cars, would it be possible to add them? I've had a little experience messing around and optimizing the rwg mixer a while ago; reducing grass/similar blocks to 1/4 amount for better frames per second, adding the 'ruined/burnt' small-buildings, cars and loot-able-bodies (suitcase loot-table) to wilderness and such in a tiny mod last year, so the additions might perhaps be something to look into if you will.
So far, very enjoyable, mostly friendly on the performance, aesthetically appealing and just 'feels' so nice with the occasional background sounds, not sure if the latter is specifically your mod or standard, but it is positive. Excellent work so far.
I will first admit to tinkering with the sight-range (to 100ish) and view-angle (to 90/45 degree) somewhat as I found being 'Hunted' constantly in the wilderness to be... not sure what the wording would be, 'stressful' or something, wanted to be able to wander outside of populated areas somewhat quietly. Haven't re-tinkered with it since the most recent update while in a town.
I guess that feeling came about because the first play-through began in a snow biome, rapidly followed by so many zombies spawning well outside of actual rendering range, that by night-time, stuck out in the middle of nowhere... suffice to say, wasn't too keen sadly. Second play-through, spawned in a forest, camped out by a small lake first night (fighting off some varied zeds, mostly 'Fodders' and a few 'Ferals') and second day... found an actual, abandoned town, have been there since for about 16 days in total.
The very first structure (white wood abode) generated is amusingly one of the most secure ones, in the far corner of the abandoned town, next to a water tower and a Trader literally across the road, so it has ease of access to water, trading and wilderness for wood/hunting.
The spawning feels odd, but in a curious way; relatively few undead randomly roaming the streets, but lots of Sleepers, resulting in a strangely quite walk-about where moving from one end of the town to the other is perhaps easier than going in the wilderness, which might be due to the buildings blocking line of sight, but exploring even the abandoned or damaged structures suddenly becomes very dangerous given the number of Sleepers and their upped awareness and where they might spawn (a large pawn-broker's had some... nasty spawn-locations, later becoming the one-time night-7 fort), occasionally a random street-walker will take interest.
Progress is slow but compelling - I tended to take the Nomadic playstyle, so hesitated to put down roots so swiftly, thinking that I'd actually find the 'idea' place then do so, but even in a ruined town, there's enough loot and supplies to go for a while.
To wit with praise; If I may say so, the natural areas look so much better than in the un-modded rwgmixer; feels 'rich' in detail and more interesting, while somehow not being too hard on the graphics card (multiple year-old GTX 550 ti), same with the urban area though there is a little slow-down, more-so with torches but that is also the usual for this game. The altered and new poi's add a lot of... well, interest, with much more elevation and variety in the terrain, lots of minor poi's including surface/exposed little caves, small/large ponds, spooky-tree groups, coffin/dug-graves, rock/bush groupings, small stone-hillocks and standard poi's with wooden spikes and such makes everything feel more fleshed out. In addition, the 'haze' effect is very aesthetically appealing, and the weather system, I like it - seems to lean towards the cooler side, had only one short bout of snow and not much rain, but some foggy days/nights, over-cast seems more common place. Natural animal spawns feel like just enough, might desire more rabbits, make the area seem more alive given their more subtle visuals.
The occasional group of animals turning up is nice, though had some wild boar and a deer invite themselves into a laundromat while I was inside and began to wreck the place, oh well.
Vultures are actually a welcomed sight - so many feathers, woot, and also they do seem more aggressive, particularly as part of a wandering horde, more-so when they park at my temporary home while I'm scavenging. I don't remember seeing a zombie-dog yet, though have spotted some normal, can't-be-bothered bears, keeping well away from them, and saw/killed some wolfies and boars.
If I may throw some opinions in, based upon current play so not too in-depth; Perhaps move some mobile wilderness spawns over to town spawns, may be due to the increased sight-range, even with personal tweaks, seems more confrontation out in the woods than in a old town. The grass/rubbish and bushes littering the town-streets is nice, but the actual streets feel a little bare without larger objects like cars, would it be possible to add them? I've had a little experience messing around and optimizing the rwg mixer a while ago; reducing grass/similar blocks to 1/4 amount for better frames per second, adding the 'ruined/burnt' small-buildings, cars and loot-able-bodies (suitcase loot-table) to wilderness and such in a tiny mod last year, so the additions might perhaps be something to look into if you will.
So far, very enjoyable, mostly friendly on the performance, aesthetically appealing and just 'feels' so nice with the occasional background sounds, not sure if the latter is specifically your mod or standard, but it is positive. Excellent work so far.
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dreamdancer
Refugee
This makes me want to play around with upping all the gun range/noise factors by like 500%, just to see what happens. I kinda like the idea of being nervous of using firearms for fear of attracting All Of The Attention.
(Neelix, sorry I've been sidetracked on your sinks)
dreamdancer
Refugee
As an aside, in reference to Dragontear's comment: I too found it interesting and odd, that although the splash page of the mod suggests one avoid towns until one is ready for a serious fight, I have found towns to be the much safer place to be. Breaking into POIs certainly holds some added danger, with higher spawning of nastier enemies, but the total number of zombies one has to deal with at any one time is lower, and unlike the wilderness it is meaningfully possible to kill them -all-. To kill everything currently targeting you and be done, and have the ability to take a moment to rest, to regain stamina, to gather some materials, to do a bit of crafting or building. Something that I found myself incapable of doing out in the wild.
The whole thing creates for me an unrelenting pressure to make it to town. Because at the town, I will be safe. Towns have loot in abundance and once I have managed to make a stand against the horde of wilderness zombies that followed me -to- town, along with a few sleepers I accidentally awaken from buildings I cut too close to, things will be silent. Then I can relax and take on new pois on my own terms, in a methodical fashion, without the constant frenetic pressure the wilderness creates.
The whole thing creates for me an unrelenting pressure to make it to town. Because at the town, I will be safe. Towns have loot in abundance and once I have managed to make a stand against the horde of wilderness zombies that followed me -to- town, along with a few sleepers I accidentally awaken from buildings I cut too close to, things will be silent. Then I can relax and take on new pois on my own terms, in a methodical fashion, without the constant frenetic pressure the wilderness creates.
Thanks for the detailed critique really appreciate it!
If you want to lessen the wilderness spawns down you can lower the maxcount of all the 2's in the spawning.xml and that should lighten that up. Unfortunately as far as the towns/cities go we no longer have the control of just adding mobile zeds right to the hubs anymore, so I added more to the poi's themselves to try and increase the population. It is what it is atm till they allow us to just add zeds wandering around them.
The other way to get more zeds in the city/towns is also cranking up the biome spawns but I think I have them more than enough or else you would always be bumping into them (even more than now) out in the wilds.
I can make a (kinda/sorta) central city but it's really random on how big it would be depending on the terrain and how it generated. The terrain gen has all the control with this iteration. So if 'It' wanted to place a lake or mountain it would, even if I said for there to be a central hub. Maybe down the road I'll be able to have enough control in that regards but as of right now we just don't have the tools yet to do so.
The zombie dogs have been relegated to just being in the wastelands atm (well my version of the wasteland
). It will probably change as time goes on though.Yeah, I tried pretty hard to make the game able to run on older systems while also trying to increase the visual appeal and increasing the zeds. Glad it's working ok with what you have and makes me happy to read it and that my efforts didn't go to waste.
Right now I'm in a state of flux knowing that systems are totally being redone. So trying to make improvements here and there is somewhat difficult knowing that 'I' want to do a lot of things but I also don't want to waste my time doing so in the process and needing to scrap a lot of stuff. So I'm trying really hard not to touch areas that are going to be revamped in the future so it can be a smoother transition when A17 drops.
Some things are still the work though and I hope to get them out in the near future.
Peace out and don't hesitate to drop more suggestions. I may not do all of them or be able to do them all but I like reading what ppl come up with.
hehe I move slow when playing. So instead of running at the get go when I see my first zeds I take the time to wipe them out of the area I'm in. This gives me time to take a breather before moving out further. It generally takes me day's to make it to a town (depending on where i get placed that is). Even when I get to a town I make a shelter on the outskirts before diving in.
So a "Slow down and smell the roses" and lots of walking approach for me and I tend to not really feel the rush or pinch of seeing zeds constantly stream in.
I think if ppl slow down a touch more and ease out from the starting zone they will have a better go at it imo and wouldn't always feel the constant tension as much till they hit their first poi. I like to nomad around then find a spot to set up shop for awhile then nomad around some more and build multiple outposts.
*This is just how I play and in no way am I telling anyone what they should do or how to play*
just giving insight on how I play is all
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dreamdancer
Refugee
The pathing is definitely the high point of the mod for me. Though the biomes are pretty nifty too.
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Is it mainly the sightrange, sightscale and field of view you've messed around with to give them better pathing?
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Also, vis a vis spawning: Is there any way to make -roads- spawn? I am uncertain how roads are handled under the hood, but I seem to remember them not really being a proper POI so I imagine not. But since you have succeeded at messing about with biomes to the degree you have, and I -think- roads are covered in the rwgmixer, I am curious if making them spawn points for zeds would work. That would increase the town population notably...
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Is it mainly the sightrange, sightscale and field of view you've messed around with to give them better pathing?
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Also, vis a vis spawning: Is there any way to make -roads- spawn? I am uncertain how roads are handled under the hood, but I seem to remember them not really being a proper POI so I imagine not. But since you have succeeded at messing about with biomes to the degree you have, and I -think- roads are covered in the rwgmixer, I am curious if making them spawn points for zeds would work. That would increase the town population notably...
Thats no problem, you don't owe me anything, if you get around to it, great, if not, thats fine too.
As far as the noise, yeah, I see the point on that, but we haven't tested it extensively to see what it does, and out of our group the one who has the most knowledge of programming and understanding lines of code is me, and as you can see, my knowledge leaves a lot to be desired. But my buddy who was out on his own in the world said he was drawing lots of attention just with the crossbow, so maybe its not even the guns that are doing it. More experimentation on our end will let us know what/if we need to tweak, its nice to have guys like you and Tin who are more than willing to point us in the right direction.
dreamdancer
Refugee
If they are attracting a lot of attention with just a crossbow, it's probably not sound but sight that's the issue. The zeds in this mod can see for some pretty crazy distances. Just hanging out in the wild tends to get you spotted by zeds from all over the place.
yeah sightrange="" is whats causing the majority of zeds to spin followed by the sightscale="" then a touch in the AI to make them a touch more focused on the player or other entities, so a Three prong workaround.
sightrange='' though is the #1 issue, followed by sightscale="" then the least is the AI.
Roads:
I 'think' are handled the same way as the streets or something similar to it but we actually have a bit of control for the streets. Yeah roads are not totally the same as a prefab and I don't 'think' right now we can make them have spawn points but I also didn't mess around with them in an in depth manner either. I know in the biomes.xml you can put blocks on top of the road so maybe?! it can be done?
Dystopia
Refugee
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE... Did I mention that I LOVE this mod!?!?
I want to put it on my server and convert the players there but I have a question. If the server is set for Dying Lands and rhe members dont ave it, can they still play like normal, I understand they will not see or experience the dying lands, I just am curious if they will be able to play still on the server. I tried to log into the server with my mod installed, but not installed on server and it stuck at loading screen. I don't want to lose players who cant convert or dont want to convert.
Thank You All.
I want to put it on my server and convert the players there but I have a question. If the server is set for Dying Lands and rhe members dont ave it, can they still play like normal, I understand they will not see or experience the dying lands, I just am curious if they will be able to play still on the server. I tried to log into the server with my mod installed, but not installed on server and it stuck at loading screen. I don't want to lose players who cant convert or dont want to convert.
Thank You All.
From what I understand:
As long as you have all the files on the server, the clients 'might' be able to join. I haven't done any real study on what files will or will not push but I do know the particle effects for the biomes won't and some blocks that have particle effects attached to them won't either. So as just to save headache I will always say just have the clients get the files as well.
For whatever reason, every build that TFP put out changes what files get pushed xD so it's a guessing game and just easier to say "get all the files"
And thanks for the kind words