PC 18b152: I hope you guys are proud of yourselves
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RipClaw
Hunter
You can't craft the best item without scavenging. You need parts that you can't craft yourself but you have to find them, buy them or get them if you scrap items. The fact that you can't craft Q6 items yourself is a pure design decision of the developers but unnecessary to encourage players to scavenge. There are more than enough reasons to scavenge. The Q6 items were just the icing on the cake.
Scyris
Refugee
LBD should come back in the way Darkness Falls mod had it, it had action skills for things that made sense: Weapons, Athletics (running/jumping), Armor use (getting hit). Crafting was all perk related with no LBD aspect to it. To raise a weapons perk you have to actually use the weapon, which is much better than a18 where they are all locked to stats and you have to waste points in stats you don't want to use the weapon well. I like pistols, but I can't for the life of me find anything worthwhile to get in agility other than just the pistol perk, i'm not much of a stealther. I also prefer heavy armor due to urban combat vol 6 or 7, which makes it that when in combat (hit a enemy or got hit by one) you get a 20 second buff that removes the speed penalty on armor. So you can move at full speed in combat. I do feel the heavy armor perk needs a buff though as it doesn't really help all that much.
Boidster
Refugee
This exactly. There is no merit to the "no incentive to scavenge" argument against the gameplay proposition that "highest-level items ought to be craftable." It's easily possible to design the mechanics such that parts, schematics, etc. must be scavenged in order to assemble higher-tier weapons. Wasn't that kinda the mechanic in the A15 days? You'd loot weapons and then deconstruct them to try and get the best parts off them to build a better one?
Anyhow, it would not be difficult with the current base mechanics to make top-tier crafted weapons a thing, and still have incentive for scavenging. But apparently TFP has reasoning why they did not do it that way which, alright, I think it's a bit odd but I remain gruntled and having fun anyway. Of course I have to reset my world every few days for new builds so it's not like I'm experiencing "end game" yet...
Game seems harder to me (a filthy casual). I've died like 7 or 8 times in the last couple of days and in A17 I never died. I both like and dislike that infection is a thing again. Last night's deaths came from frantically looting POIs trying to find an unpilfered medicine cabinet...
For most things that _doesn't_ make sense to me. Technology needs an industrial base. High tech gear needs a civilization-spanning industrial base. Those things are gone and there's only what you can find left. Even medieval technology is a stretch for tribal society, and that's the most 7dtd players can aspire to. Top-quality medieval gear? I think that "should" be craftable at the limits, but meh.
The game's not attempting to be a rebuilding-society sim, or even a fighting sim, not really. There's no blocking. The zeds do the head motion and general aggressive stomping really really well, there's risk-reward tradeoffs everywhere you turn, the world's gorgeous, inviting, and there's lots to do while you gauge your readiness for the next battle, they've still got plenty of teamwork-matters-a-lot in the perk structure so PvE co-op has new ground to explore and the performance is starting to really come on line.
But unless they want to build an entirely new game on top of this, it seems off track to obsess about realism or anything but a fun and engrossing plausible-enough-if-you-squint game loop. I remember having to dynamite a nephew out of his turtling in CnC, it's attractive but in the end it's stultifying and loses badly against competent aggression. TFP nerfing the top end, hanging a big ol' "don't even try turtling" sign, I like that.
Katitof
Refugee
You'd rather never have any kind of incentive to ever get out to loot once you get purple for each slot?
That would get boring extremely fast, you know, like in previous alphas, where looting was pretty much exclusively early game activity, after which everyone focused on building and mining.
And where's the incentive to go out and loot when you've got purple for each slot? The solution is to provide good end-game content (very rare legendary items perhaps, or awesome quests) not artificially inflate the importance of one aspect of the game by screwing up the others.
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A lot of claims only based on A17 history on here. A17 AND A18 (to me) are the same thing with systems jumbled around. We used to have a system, back in the good old days where you had to scavenge for gun parts, you could then combine them to make the best guns in the game, OR (you will not believe this) you could ALSO loot the best guns in the game. You HAD to scavenge for at least the gun parts. But crafting was actually relevant.
How in the world we devolved to this, I have no clue.
Also, to clarify. Something just changed with A17 that sent it down some strange path away from gathering, crafting and adventure, and in search of more frantic action gameplay. It just took another path at that moment. It has not been the same since.
How in the world we devolved to this, I have no clue.
Also, to clarify. Something just changed with A17 that sent it down some strange path away from gathering, crafting and adventure, and in search of more frantic action gameplay. It just took another path at that moment. It has not been the same since.
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Not sure how anyone could think that there was no incentive to loot in A17 either, really, unless you liked rolling around with t6 gear and no mods. I spent real life days looking for certain mods for my gear in A17.
Honestly I don't think we should be able to endlessly craft the mods. The t6 should be craftable as a base piece of gear, and if you want it modded out to be a badass piece of gear, you loot for either the mods or the single use schematics like in A17.
Honestly I don't think we should be able to endlessly craft the mods. The t6 should be craftable as a base piece of gear, and if you want it modded out to be a badass piece of gear, you loot for either the mods or the single use schematics like in A17.
Why can’t it be fun to craft and loot? Why does one seem to always have to suffer for the other?
It seemed to me that balance would be pretty close when they added T6 craftable in the previous release.
You still had to:
- perk into a skill or loot a schematic
- loot a metric crap ton of things for materials
- craft all the prerequisite parts
- dump all this materials into the RNG to try for a decent stat spread
It wasn’t like you can just sit on a roof and craft a full set of gear, looking down and chuckling at the zombies.
Also, it added a perfect slot for “legendary” equipment to fill. Now, if they add it, any craftable gear will be two tiers lower.
It seemed to me that balance would be pretty close when they added T6 craftable in the previous release.
You still had to:
- perk into a skill or loot a schematic
- loot a metric crap ton of things for materials
- craft all the prerequisite parts
- dump all this materials into the RNG to try for a decent stat spread
It wasn’t like you can just sit on a roof and craft a full set of gear, looking down and chuckling at the zombies.
Also, it added a perfect slot for “legendary” equipment to fill. Now, if they add it, any craftable gear will be two tiers lower.
I actually really like this idea. There's too much RnG with the weapons themselves and the mods... if it were restricted to RnG on just the mods the crafters would have little to complain about. Not sure if I prefer it to legendary super rare items (not in trader/quests) though.
Ghostlight
Refugee
I'd love this.
Yer I miss LBD too but devs were pretty clear they're not interested in that anymore. Shame as I found it way more immersive progressing my character that way. Ppl have said a daily diminishing returns on xp so players can't abuse it but yer if the DF mod has it I'll definitely check it out.
You know what? You're right, I'm the gatekeeper to my own destiny, get away from me dam eggs, here take these filthy dukes too. I have restored the balance, I am survival purist once more and empowered....oooh look a birds nest.Throw a dozen of those dirty whore eggs on the ground!
Fight the power!
OK for the record I've never called casuals filthy. A bit funny looking but not filthy.
RipClaw
Hunter
Why should everyone loot all the time? What's wrong with building and mining ?
I guess you like scavenging but I consider scavenging boring. It's basically always the same. You drive somewhere, kill a few zombies and search everything that is searchable.
Building, on the other hand, is fun for me.
guardianangelmp
Refugee
Except they can't make any weapons/armor/tools of any significant tier without getting the parts, which requires *gasp* SCAVENGING.
There should be interplay between the different aspects of the game, but don't spread the illusion that miners/builders will be able to progress the same/as fast (or at all) as looter/scavengers.