Console [07/11] - Message from the Team - Progress update

I wanna preempt this: remember back when we complained TFP wouldn't communicate with us? Well here ya go. They are. Guys, appreciate the fact that this game has devs that care about their community. I'm not trying to kiss up, btw. Just dislike entitled, unappreciative people that are sure to gripe about Clare's message.
Thank you Fun Pimps
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White knight much? The game is broken. We deserve answers seeing as they delivered a finished product that was broken.

 
White knight much? The game is broken. We deserve answers seeing as they delivered a finished product that was broken.
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This again? Guess you didn't read that they do not deal with console. A different company handles console. Not going to go back into all of the stuff again. Might wanna look around the forums and read some.

 
Came here to check on status of this big update to come. I see from the 6/06/2018 thread that we can expect Alpha 16 content, as well as "fix some of the more persistent bugs." I want to know if this relates at all to the MD5 error.

Those who come here to complain have every right to do so. This game has been out for a good long while now, and while some people are willing to deal with a lot of the issues that exist, MOST are not. It may not seem like this is the case, because ultimately the ones who care enough are the ones who will be vocal about it, those who don't care enough have moved on. A lot of the type of gameplay 7DTD has to offer can be found in other games elsewhere. This game does have a charm and graphic style that appeals to some like me, which is why i have come here to see what the progress is on this update.

If it's not fanboyism, then respect the right that some people just may be pissed that they payed money 3 years ago and the game still hasn't been fixed. While many of you are excited to see A16 content, i'd be happy if the game stayed as is, but was 100% operating as intended. While many people keep arguing that we payed for a finished game, theirs an awful lack of "traps" for base defense (was even less at launch, and this is a sandbox tower defense game). So next time anybody has a complaint about the game and it's current state, let them complain and stop defending whomever they are blaming. As fact of the matter is, the creators shouldn't be letting another company do what they will with their product unless they can uphold a certain standard that the original creators would uphold. As far as i'm concerned, TT, TFP, and IG are ALL to blame for the state the game is in on console.

So while i didn't come here to complain myself, it just annoys the hell outta me that people who have valid reasons to be pissed off is being outcasted by the members of this games community who either 1). Have the pc version to play, 2). Has standards so low that 3 years of MD5 errors is ok because the "team is working on it", or 3). Fanboys hard enough about some of the games elements that they don't even see that this sandbox tower defense game originally had 2 forms of tower defense and the rest is walls and decorations, but this is good enough for a finished product. If i cared enough i could find other viewpoints that somehow logic into defending these companies, but again i didn't come here for complaining or ridiculing.

@Clare My original intent of coming back to this forum was to check the status on the update and to ask: Will this engine upgrade fix the MD5 errors specifically? If you don't know find out from the team and find out if your allowed to answer, and i essentially want their words on this (if they won't allow you to answer, tell me that specifically). It's officially been too long to ask me to wait longer just to find out if the one thing keeping me from loading the game up again is finally going to be fixed. I just want an answer or i'm simply deleting this game from my xbox so i don't have to see it anymore and free that space. On another note: I appreciate everything you've done up until this point!

 
I think many of us would really love to see this kind of enemy:

A zombies which is pretty easy to kill when hit on a critical spot while he is trying to reach the player or his base. As soon as he did we will blow up to kill the player or destroy the base.

Either you are able to kill him right between other zombies which get screwed by the boom or he reaches the walls of your base an tears a big hole right into your defense lines like on of the orcs does in The Lord of the Ring: Two to Towers while Helm's Deep is under attack.

No injured cops needed to make you fear the explosion - only one guy who is running for your base pretty fast.

 
I do not have information on what bugs will be fixed at this time. We'll likely hear more in the coming months as the upgrade progresses.

 
Is there a possibility that there will be cross platform in the future for console and pc to play together cause im betting there would be alot more copies selling if that was possible.

 
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There are other survival games out there that run circles around this game and they treat there console fanbase like the matter.

 
The forest ( PC) and Subsistence (PC) come to mind for me as good survival games, also Ark and Conan Exiles for console , although not as unique as 7 days from the destructible voxels landscape perspective. Good games though. To my knowledge Ark was in a similar situation with the console/PC perspective some time ago, although they were developed at a similar pace, and they were both game previews.

For me 7 days console was never finished and should not have been sold as such, it should have been a game preview and a price to reflect. That said , 7 days is my top game of all time. Im lucky to have the console and PC version. I can understand peoples concerns with the lack of support and bug fixes. I believe it will just take time and patient, not easy to accept with a full release game but expected with early access type games.

I look forward to the new Alpha 16 features and bug fixes. Any rough timescale on a release Claire? . ie months, this year. Thanks guys.

 
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Alright, now I am pretty disappointed once more.

Got the day 63 horde a few minutes ago.

Enemies: Standard zombies + 1 dog

Stats/Settings:

Difficulty: Insane

Amount of enemies: 50%

Kills: 579

Deaths: 0

Level: 67

Wellness: 156

Longest time alive: 40 h

We - need - more - badass - action - ! :p

 
I’m sorry but I don’t get the complaint of lack of support and bug fixes. For example Dying Light has had 15 patches since release in 2015 and have had fixes in each patch including a patch earlier this year. That game was released with bugs as a full game and they are still fixing them and it’s one of my favorite games. Loved Dead Island as well and people thought that was a mess.

7 Days to Die has had 18 patches since release in 2016 and has provided bug fixes in each one. Seems like IG is providing more support in less time. But hey that’s just my thoughts on the matter. Each entitled their opinion and all that.

 
Alright, now I am pretty disappointed once more.Got the day 63 horde a few minutes ago.

Enemies: Standard zombies + 1 dog

Stats/Settings:

Difficulty: Insane

Amount of enemies: 50%

Kills: 579

Deaths: 0

Level: 67

Wellness: 156

Longest time alive: 40 h

We - need - more - badass - action - ! :p
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I would first try upping the spawn setting. At day 63 on my newest map I had one death already to a cop during horde night and was getting ferals soon after. I keep spawn at 75% but play at a much lower difficulty. I’m at day 132 now, with almost 3000 kills, ferals show up in first wave (have been for a while now), and are often first to hit my horde fighting tower. I am pretty close to hub city and there is some thought that might help attract the big guys. Maybe try that if possible as well.

 
Thank you for the tips but the main reason why you are facing tougher guys is that you have your base near the hub city. I had my base close to it as well several times in the past and always got harder enemies. And yes, I always could move to the city borders again if I wanted to but I think this is not the point the game needs to hit.

Of course I probably had been killed multiple times if I settled right in the hub city but this only had happened on the streets but probably not during a horde night while protecting my base. And this is what I mean. This game is a mixture of survival and tower defense and the second aspect got lost almost totally after the dynamic horde found the way into the game unfortunately.

But you are right. If I die or if it becomes boring I will move to the hub city to find a challenge for the final days before the patch hits the consoles.

 
Thank you for the tips but the main reason why you are facing tougher guys is that you have your base near the hub city. I had my base close to it as well several times in the past and always got harder enemies. And yes, I always could move to the city borders again if I wanted to but I think this is not the point the game needs to hit.
Of course I probably had been killed multiple times if I settled right in the hub city but this only had happened on the streets but probably not during a horde night while protecting my base. And this is what I mean. This game is a mixture of survival and tower defense and the second aspect got lost almost totally after the dynamic horde found the way into the game unfortunately.

But you are right. If I die or if it becomes boring I will move to the hub city to find a challenge for the final days before the patch hits the consoles.
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Yeah I only started playing right before the two summer updates last year so most of my experience has been with the new dynamic hordes. Plus I think in the three random gen maps I’ve done I have been set up close to the hub city for my bases. So yeah I’ve never really experienced horde night in the outer areas. Hopefully the update will balance it out more and give a better challenge if you choose to set up more out in the wilderness.

 
I’m sorry but I don’t get the complaint of lack of support and bug fixes. For example Dying Light has had 15 patches since release in 2015 and have had fixes in each patch including a patch earlier this year. That game was released with bugs as a full game and they are still fixing them and it’s one of my favorite games. Loved Dead Island as well and people thought that was a mess.
7 Days to Die has had 18 patches since release in 2016 and has provided bug fixes in each one. Seems like IG is providing more support in less time. But hey that’s just my thoughts on the matter. Each entitled their opinion and all that.
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I asked about whether this engine upgrade is going to fix the MD5 error that is literally preventing me from playing the game OR supporting it by buying the pc version (I just got a pc with Ryzen 2600 and a gtx 1060 6gb), and the response i got was:

"I do not have information on what bugs will be fixed at this time. We'll likely hear more in the coming months as the upgrade progresses."

So to the very least, I can definitely attest that they have a lack of support going on here. If they could come out and say "we believe upgrading the engine could resolve this issue, but are unsure at this time" I would have no issue accepting that as some form of support, and would happily check back in a couple months or when i see the game auto-update on my xbox. Yet they also said "Upgrading to Unity 2017 means we can fix some of the more persistent bugs in the game, as well as add features from A15 and A16 on PC." This statement is fairly specific, almost as if they know what will be fixed and what won't, yet they won't reveal what is going to be fixed. As long as they remain unspecific, they can knowingly be unable (or unwilling) to fix this MD5 error for whatever reason, but keep it as a hopeful factor amongst the community that keeps the community around and involved. This is important towards profit, even if they aren't releasing additional paid dlc, they get positive press from this community who "believes in them" that can lead to more sales of the game, and other titles that come out can also sell because they don't yet have a bad reputation.

My complaint about bug fixes is just the one. They have done good with bug fixes otherwise, with the minibike disappearing bug, to plenty others i can't think of specifically. Has the invisible dogs been fixed? I remember that one but am unsure if it got fixed, but if they know how, i'm sure they will or have fixed it. It's insane for a bug this bad to still be prevalent for this long though.

That's my position on the matter. I did pay $20 for this game and the game has been unplayable by my standards ever since. Hello games has essentially fixed their game from the bs that happened at that games launch. Might be because the community backlashed appropriately when they were handed a game that didn't meet any expectations. I feel the comparison is strangely accurate too, as look at how little this game had day 1 on console, and same for No Mans Sky. The zombie variety was so little, the actual defense options, outside of walls, were very lacking. The only thing that kept this game from giving off the same negative impact was it's more up to date PC version was a good peak into what the future of the game could be. No man's sky didn't have that. But i unfortunately now have to join 1) my brother and his wife 2)My sister 3) Friend A 4) Friend B and 5) Friend C, these 5 different purchasers of this game in removing the game because the game just isn't playable and waiting for it to be is just silly at this point.

 
i played ark it was ok. conan was ok. problem is those worlds are static. you can't even dig. both had serious issues. i don't have a pc so i can't play a lot of games

 
I asked about whether this engine upgrade is going to fix the MD5 error that is literally preventing me from playing the game OR supporting it by buying the pc version (I just got a pc with Ryzen 2600 and a gtx 1060 6gb), and the response i got was.......................
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Get the pc version man. I personally play on ps4 & we dont have near the problems you xbox players do which is very unfortunate. No one blames you guys, i'd be pissed too.

Hopefully with this new update, whenever we get it, will better optimise the game, especially for the xbox. But like you said, its merely a waiting game & who wants to wait. I know i'm chomping at the bit.

I'd buy the pc version over the console version in a heartbeat if i had the means. I just cant justify buying a high end pc just for 7dtd. I rarely use my laptop as it is.

Good luck man. Hope you get things figured out!

 
@Outlaw_187 It's not a matter of having a playable version. As much as i love the game itself, every time theirs been an update they've kept everyone waiting until the last minute to inform what was in the update. Each time i waited, dealing with the games issues and playing it for what it was at the time, just to see that the next patch wouldn't solve this issue (and some of the more prevalent issues of the past that took 2 or 3 patches before they finally fixed). I took it upon myself to give my own error reports, as detailed as possible, leading up to the MD5 errors i experienced. I also attempted some things that each were a long shot when the MD5 issue would arise (you knew it was happening when the graphics of things like rocks would start brightening and giving off whacky colors in a flashing pattern) and these things i attempted were a danger to my save file that i had put in over 100 hours into (while their had been a workaround discovered, i didn't want to delete my local save every hour of play which is roughly how often this happened). And for those efforts i can't get a simple answer as "the team believes, but isn't sure, that this unity upgrade will fix the MD5 error" or "Sorry, we have no reason to believe this unity upgrade will fix MD5 errors, but we have ran out of options and so this is currently our best bet." Instead I get "Will this fix your problem? Find out next time on Updates 4 YOU!!"

So screw giving more money to Iron Galaxy, TT, or TFP. I have a PC now, and their is definitely an insane amount of games on steam i can go for instead, as well as a bunch of free to play games that i can check out before deciding to support. Blade and soul has been fun so far, when i get the money i will probably buy no man's sky for pc (i have the xbox version, objectively the game seems to lack a good goal and i heard the end of storyline is very lackluster, but the visuals and some of the planets are beautiful and interesting and i would love to see what they look like on my PC). Also, i have to save some of my money for a VR headset, which is why i didn't go cheaper on my pc (believe it or not, 500 dollars can easily get you a good 1080p gaming rig, whereas if you want 4k or VR that's where the price starts to get extremely steep).

This reply ended up longer then intended. @Outlaw_187 It's good to see you can objectively understand others POV. I honestly expected the same responses that a couple other people here got when i went negative nancy on these devs. IF they do fix MD5 with this upcoming patch, and i somehow notice, maybe i could forgive. It's just so hard, this isn't capcom who i hate for megaman legends 3, the lack of a new power stone game, the crappy PR ordeal with UMvC3 updates (which is moreso marvels fault), adding RE to operation raccoon city's title and giving us a NOT RE game, and yet RE2 remake.. i have to play it. Unfortunately, TFP and IG haven't been making great games for over 20 years to make a slip-up that i can say "hey, it won't happen again i'm sure, and they typically have great quality".

 
@Outlaw_187 It's not a matter of having a playable version. As much as i love the game itself, every time theirs been an update they've kept everyone waiting until the last minute to inform what was in the update. Each time i waited, dealing with the games issues and playing it for what it was at the time, just to see that the next patch wouldn't solve this issue (and some of the more prevalent issues of the past that took 2 or 3 patches before they finally fixed). I took it upon myself to give my own error reports, as detailed as possible, leading up to the MD5 errors i experienced. I also attempted some things that each were a long shot when the MD5 issue would arise (you knew it was happening when the graphics of things like rocks would start brightening and giving off whacky colors in a flashing pattern) and these things i attempted were a danger to my save file that i had put in over 100 hours into (while their had been a workaround discovered, i didn't want to delete my local save every hour of play which is roughly how often this happened)....................
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All good & valid points you have made, don't blame you a bit. Good luck with your pc endeavors. I am jealous, lol.

Im still waiting on my ps4 to update the newest patch for No Man's Sky (i have super slow internet). It may be done by now but i havent been on in a few days.

That game has so much potential on consoles & i bet it does look super amazing on pc. I also can't wait for the RE2 remake. Always been a huge fan of the series.

 
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