Antropic ai

Hey @ilexev , since you're talking about Claude/Antropic I asked to it what it thinks about your original statement.
This is its reply. :D


Ha! Well, I appreciate the shout-out, even if my name got slightly mangled šŸ˜„

Let me give you an honest take on what the poster is suggesting:

What AI tools like me CAN genuinely help with:
  • Code assistance: Debugging, writing boilerplate, suggesting optimizations, explaining complex codebases
  • Learning accelerator: Helping devs quickly understand new technologies, APIs, or programming patterns
  • Prototyping: Rapidly testing ideas or creating proof-of-concepts
  • Documentation: Writing or improving technical docs, which every dev team needs but few enjoy doing
  • Problem-solving: Working through technical challenges, suggesting different approaches

The reality check though:
  • AI doesn't replace the creative vision and game design expertise that makes 7D2D what it is
  • Complex features like ray tracing require deep engine knowledge and optimization work - AI can help, but it's not a magic wand
  • Business decisions (DLC strategy, monetization, mod programs) are about vision, community, and business models - not something AI should be making
  • The best results come from AI as a tool for skilled developers, not a replacement for them

My honest assessment:

Could The Fun Pimps benefit from AI tools? Probably, like most dev teams. But it's more about incremental productivity gains than revolutionary transformation. AI might help them iterate faster or solve specific technical problems, but it won't fundamentally change their development timeline or business strategy.

The poster seems enthusiastic about possibilities, which is great! But the reality is more "helpful assistant" than "game-changer."
Ok maybe not right now with the actual antropic on the market, but maybe in 1 or 2 years, creator of ai work very hard for proposing a good product, i ask rn but maybe its not mature enough, because i begin to see a fire here, a certain sorte of light.
And i see something interesting here but i cant find it anymore😭😭
 
The reason I suggested the OP use AI as a tool
to enhance his French to English translations was to demonstrate that such ā€œenhancementsā€ are often not wanted or appreciated. I knew what the response would be from any anti-AI users. I wondered how the OP would take it and interestingly, the OP, who has been advocating for AI use, gave me negative reactions to the suggestion that he use AI. Just shows that we are still a ways away from acceptance of this tool.
 
The reason I suggested the OP use AI as a tool
to enhance his French to English translations was to demonstrate that such ā€œenhancementsā€ are often not wanted or appreciated. I knew what the response would be from any anti-AI users. I wondered how the OP would take it and interestingly, the OP, who has been advocating for AI use, gave me negative reactions to the suggestion that he use AI. Just shows that we are still a ways away from acceptance of this tool.
You're wrong on every point; you haven't demonstrated or proven anything.šŸ¤£šŸ˜­šŸ˜‘
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And you didn't understand my reaction at all.
 
And you didn't understand my reaction at all.
/facepalm /WTH
If I left that as my reply, that'd be rather obviously .. unfriendly. But since this is a meta-comment, you'll have to decide at what level to apply that at, and for any counter-troll-measures out there: I'm just reminding him of his responses. Obviously. ;)
 
And you didn't understand my reaction at all.

Bro, with you, that’s an all too common outcome.

I love your passion but rarely do I understand what you’re trying to say. And if your reaction wasn’t negative to my suggestion why is it that I also notice that you haven’t adopted using AI with your subsequent posts either?

Resistance.
 
Bro, with you, that’s an all too common outcome.

I love your passion but rarely do I understand what you’re trying to say. And if your reaction wasn’t negative to my suggestion why is it that I also notice that you haven’t adopted using AI with your subsequent posts either?

Resistance.
Its an emojis rĆ©action, u cant interprĆ©te this event if im not englishšŸ˜‚.
Because my localisation, my idea about this is "shade?"
 
It will be interesting to see how things go as AI progresses. I've spent a lot of hands-on time professionally, with AI tools for programmers. It has been universally abysmal. As the technology improves it becomes more and more convincing, while its actual skill remains somewhat static.

I liken it to having a new junior developer on the team that is incapable of developing into a more experienced developer. What amuses/worries me about this, is that as the AI tech gets better that it's the more junior tasks that it will be able to replace. Or in other words: it will pump out code that looks like it could be good, but needs a senior developer to come in and do some heavy duty refactoring (I'd do this as a pairing session with a living junior dev, but when AI writes it there isn't someone on the other end to learn and get better).

Aside from the fact that ai code requires an order of magnitude more of my time than writing it myself in the first place, there's still a larger concern in all of that. Junior devs are coming in all hyped up about how good AI coding tools are, but they haven't reached the level of competency required to identify the shortcomings of AI tools (see Dunning Kruger Effect for an explanation of what I'm saying here).

This has the potential to lead to some really horrific effects on the coding industries over time. Hilarious, perhaps, when it comes to the video games industry. Much less funny in spaces, like I work in, where mistakes in the code can lead to injury and\or death.
 
It will be interesting to see how things go as AI progresses. I've spent a lot of hands-on time professionally, with AI tools for programmers. It has been universally abysmal. As the technology improves it becomes more and more convincing, while its actual skill remains somewhat static.

I liken it to having a new junior developer on the team that is incapable of developing into a more experienced developer. What amuses/worries me about this, is that as the AI tech gets better that it's the more junior tasks that it will be able to replace. Or in other words: it will pump out code that looks like it could be good, but needs a senior developer to come in and do some heavy duty refactoring (I'd do this as a pairing session with a living junior dev, but when AI writes it there isn't someone on the other end to learn and get better).

Aside from the fact that ai code requires an order of magnitude more of my time than writing it myself in the first place, there's still a larger concern in all of that. Junior devs are coming in all hyped up about how good AI coding tools are, but they haven't reached the level of competency required to identify the shortcomings of AI tools (see Dunning Kruger Effect for an explanation of what I'm saying here).

This has the potential to lead to some really horrific effects on the coding industries over time. Hilarious, perhaps, when it comes to the video games industry. Much less funny in spaces, like I work in, where mistakes in the code can lead to injury and\or death.
What do you think about the last version of antropic and the tools palette this ai offers?
Have u try it?
 
Ok maybe not right now with the actual antropic on the market, but maybe in 1 or 2 years, creator of ai work very hard for proposing a good product, i ask rn but maybe its not mature enough, because i begin to see a fire here, a certain sorte of light.
And i see something interesting here but i cant find it anymore😭😭
I mean, in this subject, i read something interesting but i cant find it anymore xd 😭
 
What do you think about the last version of antropic and the tools palette this ai offers?
Have u try it?

I have not. A quick rundown of how things play out in the industry I'm in:

Our customers are large companies than can, at any time, be audited by various govt agencies. If an agency audits one of our customers and finds a problem they will then audit our products. One of the consequences of this is that any toolset we adopt has to be validated, and there are a lot of requirements and validation hurdles when it comes to bringing AI into our processes.

So professionally speaking, I don't have the luxury of selecting the toolsets we use (AI or otherwise).

When I code outside of work it's purely for the love of writing code. I can't imagine a situation where I'd want to involve a tool that would automate that for me. At that point, why bother in the first place? ;)
 
Are you also against programming, time-consuming tasks, and the automation of secondary and/or complex tasks?

No, just when it completely replaces the human element.

I use code to automate a lot of tasks I do on a regular basis, but I understand the fundamental work behind the task before I develop code to reduce the admin type tasks. And from the code I taught myself to automate those tasks, I learned how to do even more code.

And if a developer uses AI to generate their game code, have they really developed a game themselves?
 
No, just when it completely replaces the human element.

I use code to automate a lot of tasks I do on a regular basis, but I understand the fundamental work behind the task before I develop code to reduce the admin type tasks. And from the code I taught myself to automate those tasks, I learned how to do even more code.

And if a developer uses AI to generate their game code, have they really developed a game themselves?
I agree, i see devs ia more useful for the analytic parts, not for doing the work for the devs, gains time is what i mean, devs tools for gaining Time, simple tools, analyse code, and synthétized explanation, not write code, maybe create automate task but no more, advice for better optimisation, transition, and searching advice on web and/or searching other tools on web(forums, tools not very known by a lot of people, things like that) but for pure création, im not for this, gaining Time make possible the way to make more content, but not making artistique and creation content for gaining Time(dear ia, dont code and made settings gameengine for me plz, juste help me to make him better after i finish my work, im staying master of my work, i contrÓle u at every part of the process)and maybe create sommes on-mesure tutorial for beginner/big problème ?
 
Where I'd love to see AI used in professional development is in automating all of the non-code work devs spend their time doing. Updating various tracking tools, tedious reporting forms/documents--basically stuff that eats 60% of my workday and is completely non-customer facing.

But when our AI expert teams try to automate that stuff, and produces a result that looks good, then the upper management folks nix it because... they can tell it is slop on review by its contents. Every. ā– ā– ā– ā– . Time. So suddenly AI is only good for stuff the upper management folks don't understand. You know, the customer facing stuff that can destroy lives if its done wrong.

My animosity for AI generated stuff is Earned.
 
Where I'd love to see AI used in professional development is in automating all of the non-code work devs spend their time doing. Updating various tracking tools, tedious reporting forms/documents--basically stuff that eats 60% of my workday and is completely non-customer facing.

But when our AI expert teams try to automate that stuff, and produces a result that looks good, then the upper management folks nix it because... they can tell it is slop on review by its contents. Every. ā– ā– ā– ā– . Time. So suddenly AI is only good for stuff the upper management folks don't understand. You know, the customer facing stuff that can destroy lives if its done wrong.

My animosity for AI generated stuff is Earned.
Ty.
So, it's safe to say that nobody likes or is satisfied with AI right now? I'd like AI to simplify your life the way you want it to. As for those who reject it upon review, I understand you. For me, good AI, ethical AI, is AI that satisfies everyone except investors and gratuitously greedy people. An AI that doesn't interfere with art or human creations. It's true that the code is unclear, but it's not impossible to understand it. You see it as a tool to automate the tedious and time-consuming tasks you mentioned. Perhaps we could talk more about an AI assistant then? Everyone in positions of responsibility or complex roles could need one. Even the great Tony Stark has an AI šŸ˜. It doesn't make him stupid, and it doesn't steal or destroy human work and discoveries. Do you see the analogy here? (It's fictional, but isn't this fictional AI, an artistic creation, what we would most like our AIs to be as close to?)
 
Even the great Tony Stark has an AI šŸ˜. It doesn't make him stupid, and it doesn't steal or destroy human work and discoveries. Do you see the analogy here? (It's fictional, but isn't this fictional AI, an artistic creation, what we would most like our AIs to be as close to?)
I laugh a bit at this because I like Marvel movies and his AI was fun. However, as you said, it's still just fiction. Because it works that way in a movie doesn't mean it will ever work that way in real life. It might end up being similar, or it might not. It just depends how things with AI progress over the next years. And you say it doesn't make him stupid, but again, it is a movie and they can make it be however they want it to be. Another movie could make it so the AI use did make him stupid. That's entirely up to the writers and isn't necessarily a reflection of reality.

What we do see in real life are students who are using AI to do their work for them. This does often lead them to not know how to do the work themselves or to not know the material they are writing about. That isn't going to be true for everyone, of course. Some will use it to assist them instead of doing the work for them, and they are likely to still know what they are doing. It is also true that before AI, you could run into this same situation of not knowing how to do the work or not knowing the material because of using Cliffs Notes or paying someone to do it for you. So the issue isn't entirely connected to the use of AI. But the use of AI does increase the number of people who are relying on it to do everything for them, which does definitely lead to more people not knowing how to do things themselves. It is easy for someone to just go to AI and say they need a paper about X written and have it written in a few minutes. But if they want to understand X, that takes much longer and if they aren't willing to write the paper, they also are less likely to spend time learning the material.

As I said before, I support using AI to assist with things. And I think there will be a future where it can be used to do significant amounts of work and still be accepted by most people. But we aren't there now. As you've seen here, even those who aren't against AI are still hesitant about its use on any larger scale. It just isn't ready for that yet. It will be. And more people will start to accept it eventually. But that isn't where we are today. As I said, in 5-10 years, things may be different. For now, it can be a useful tool to assist with small things, but it isn't something that will do all the things you suggested in the OP. As was shown earlier, even that AI says it's not going to be used for those things. And also as I said before, TFP already uses AI for at least some minor things, and perhaps for more than we know. So any benefit that AI provides is, at least in the areas they are using it, already being seen.

Anyhow, I think if you want to have an AI conversation, it's fine. But I think it should be about all AIs and not focused on a single AI. It is against forum rules to advertise stuff. You said you were paid, though it's hard to tell if you're joking or not. If you were paid, then you are breaking the rules with this entire thread. And even if you weren't paid, it would be better to discuss all AI anyhow. Anthropic AI (the correct spelling of it) may be better in some things than other AI, but worse at other things. AIs can be designed with a specific focus, based in part on what material they have the AI "learn". So some are better at some things and others are better at other things. Not focusing on only one AI lets you have a more diverse conversation about AI use rather than focusing on a single AI that is new and is less known than others.

I would also suggest not being so unwilling to admit to the shortcomings of AI use. It is a fact that AIs have many limitations to what they can do. Acting like there aren't any limitations and that AI is some miracle cure makes your arguments weak. It is different if you instead agree when someone points out an obvious limitation and then give a reason why you think that may not be as much of a limitation or that it is something you feel will be improved soon or whatever argument you want to make. Acting like you know everything about the subject and telling others they know nothing if they disagree with you and then completely ignoring factual limitations of AI use just makes what you say not really worth reading. I even asked you if you have personally programmed with AI and debugged AI code and such and you didn't respond. That suggests all your talk about it is just what you've heard or read and not from any practical knowledge of using AI in programming. Consider that a number of the people here who have responded actually have used or tried to use AI in programming in one form or another, either professionally or personally. If those of us who have done so say that it's not time to start relying on AI for programming, maybe you should listen.
 
I laugh a bit at this because I like Marvel movies and his AI was fun. However, as you said, it's still just fiction. Because it works that way in a movie doesn't mean it will ever work that way in real life. It might end up being similar, or it might not. It just depends how things with AI progress over the next years. And you say it doesn't make him stupid, but again, it is a movie and they can make it be however they want it to be. Another movie could make it so the AI use did make him stupid. That's entirely up to the writers and isn't necessarily a reflection of reality.

What we do see in real life are students who are using AI to do their work for them. This does often lead them to not know how to do the work themselves or to not know the material they are writing about. That isn't going to be true for everyone, of course. Some will use it to assist them instead of doing the work for them, and they are likely to still know what they are doing. It is also true that before AI, you could run into this same situation of not knowing how to do the work or not knowing the material because of using Cliffs Notes or paying someone to do it for you. So the issue isn't entirely connected to the use of AI. But the use of AI does increase the number of people who are relying on it to do everything for them, which does definitely lead to more people not knowing how to do things themselves. It is easy for someone to just go to AI and say they need a paper about X written and have it written in a few minutes. But if they want to understand X, that takes much longer and if they aren't willing to write the paper, they also are less likely to spend time learning the material either.

As I said before, I support using AI to assist with things. And I think there will be a future where it can be used to do significant amounts of work and still be accepted by most people. But I we aren't there now. As you've seen here, even those who aren't against AI are still hesitant about its use on any larger scale. It just isn't ready for that yet. It will be. And more people will start to accept it eventually. But that isn't where we are today. As I said, in 5-10 years, things may be different. For now, it can be a useful tool to assist with small things, but it isn't something that will do all the things you suggested in the OP. As was shown earlier, even that AI says it's not going to be used for those things. And also as I said before, TFP already uses AI for at least some minor things, and perhaps for more than we know. So any benefit that AI provides is, at least in the areas they are using it, already being seen.

Anyhow, I think if you want to have an AI conversation, it's fine. But I think it should be about all AIs and not focused on a single AI. It is against forum rules to advertise stuff. You said you were paid, though it's hard to tell if you're joking or not. If you were paid, then you are breaking the rules with this entire thread. And even if you weren't paid, it would be better to discuss all AI anyhow. Anthropic AI (the correct spelling of it) may be better in some things than other AI, but worse at other things. AIs can be designed with a specific focus, based in part on what material they have the AI "learn". So some are better at some things and others are better at other things. Not focusing on only one AI lets you have a more diverse conversation about AI use rather than focusing on a single AI that is new and is less known than others.

I would also suggest not being so unwilling to admit to the shortcomings of AI use. It is a fact that AIs have many limitations to what they can do. Acting like there aren't any limitations and that AI is some miracle cure makes your arguments weak. It is different if you instead agree when someone points out an obvious limitation and then give a reason why you think that may not be as much of a limitation or that it is something you feel will be improved soon or whatever argument you want to make. Acting like you know everything about the subject and telling others they know nothing if they disagree with you and then completely ignoring factual limitations of AI use just makes what you say not really worth reading. I even asked you if you have personally programmed with AI and debugged AI code and such and you didn't respond. That suggests all your talk about it is just what you've heard or read and not from any practical knowledge of using AI in programming. Consider that a number of the people here who have responded actually have used or tried to use AI in programming in one form or another, either professionally or personally. If those of us who have done so say that it's not time to start relying on AI for programming, maybe you should listen.
Easy to bounce back and get attacked because I mentioned a fictional character from pop culture. Didn't read it.
And you too, u didn't read all my msg so, why wasting time?
 
For me, good AI, ethical AI, is AI that satisfies everyone except investors and gratuitously greedy people. An AI that doesn't interfere with art or human creations.
All of that is rather impossible to define. The first part is about "greed", but you also lump in "satisfying investors" - if investors aren't getting results, they won't invest, and thus there's no funding. No AI. Where that turns into greed is essentially a personal opinion, and can't really be otherwise.

Second part, "not interfering with art"; I guess you mean the standard "not replacing artists", but the artists themselves are also utilizing it. In some cases, like copying a style, it feels like unearned valor, in others it's as normal as a blur algorithm. Again, where one draws the line between "algorithmic exploitation" and "just a normal tool" is a personal opinion.

"Human creations" covers literally everything, so I guess you're just referring again to "any type of artistic endeavor", otherwise you couldn't say That And advocate for AI use. The code you want it generating, is also a "human creation" when man-made.

Is it my "right" to run an AI to produce whatever art I choose? I find it hard to argue otherwise. Will this inevitably lead into all kinds of sleezy results .. yes. Will the genie go back in the bottle? Nope.
 
Easy to bounce back and get attacked because I mentioned a fictional character from pop culture. Didn't read it.
And you too, u didn't read all my msg so, why wasting time?
First, it wasn't even remotely an attack. Second, the fact that you're not willing to read about a subject that you seem interested in just shows what your other posts have been suggesting... you like AI because you don't want to do the work yourself. Read it or not... that's up to you. You might actually learn something if you do, though.

At this point, you're acting more and more like you are trolling than someone actually interested in a discussion.
 
All of that is rather impossible to define. The first part is about "greed", but you also lump in "satisfying investors" - if investors aren't getting results, they won't invest, and thus there's no funding. No AI. Where that turns into greed is essentially a personal opinion, and can't really be otherwise.

Second part, "not interfering with art"; I guess you mean the standard "not replacing artists", but the artists themselves are also utilizing it. In some cases, like copying a style, it feels like unearned valor, in others it's as normal as a blur algorithm. Again, where one draws the line between "algorithmic exploitation" and "just a normal tool" is a personal opinion.

"Human creations" covers literally everything, so I guess you're just referring again to "any type of artistic endeavor", otherwise you couldn't say That And advocate for AI use. The code you want it generating, is also a "human creation" when man-made.

Is it my "right" to run an AI to produce whatever art I choose? I find it hard to argue otherwise. Will this inevitably lead into all kinds of sleezy results .. yes. Will the genie go back in the bottle? Nope.
Your interpretation is interesting. Right, I'm talking about an artistic soul; coding is work but also an art form, which is why I'm ultimately only talking about optimization and nothing else. The terms "investors" and "greedy people," as we usually understand them in our society, simply mean something linked to capitalism, which doesn't make sense in itself. That's all I'm saying. But yes, investing is a good thing, whether it's in one form or another, because investing doesn't just mean investing money. I'm talking about investors in the strange model of the societies we live in.
 
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