I know it is not a big deal. Not even trying to pretend it is.
But I was kinda surprised on how stupid some arguments are given that the people using them have no skin in the game at all
Why this release schedule?
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But I was kinda surprised on how stupid some arguments are given that the people using them have no skin in the game at all
Although I do enjoy our chat, we're kinda running in circles now and I don't really want to start copy-pasting my previous responses in an infinite back and forth.
I simply described my problem just in case that someone who has some real decision power comes across it by any chance - to let them know that there are people who have this kind of limitation and ask if there is a way to solve the problem in a way that everybody gets their way. And it is on them how they will decide to deal with that - I personally don't really expect any change, but one never knows.
Based on what you wrote previously that person is not you. Nothing you can do would change my circumstances and the same applies to the release schedule which is what I came here for.
Affected people (in some tangible way) for the sake of this conversation are the ones participating in the streamer weekend in some shape or form and the devs/TFP as a company.
Roland
Community Moderator
I simply described my problem just in case that someone who has some real decision power comes across it by any chance - to let them know that there are people who have this kind of limitation and ask if there is a way to solve the problem in a way that everybody gets their way. And it is on them how they will decide to deal with that - I personally don't really expect any change, but one never knows.
Based on what you wrote previously that person is not you. Nothing you can do would change my circumstances and the same applies to the release schedule which is what I came here for.
I'm not the decision maker, true, but I have a direct line of communication with them. So I will definitely pass on your feedback to them so they can consider it.
The portion of the community who are only willing to play 2+ hour multiplayer sessions with friends and family can only do that on Saturdays and Sundays and would like you to consider changing the schedule so that streamers stream from Tuesday to Thursday and the experimental is released on Fridays from now on.
Is that good?
So who in this thread has no skin in the game? You just described everyone in some shape or form who responded in this thread...
Or you just can pass on what I wrote here several times without trying to package in your personal interpretation and biases. That could work too.
Kalen
Survivor
IMO, the most likely outcome, were TFP ever to reconsider streamer weekend, is that streamers wouldn't get access on Friday. They'd get access on Monday the same as everyone else. This would not address the OPs issue and would just prevent people interested in streamers from watching that content.
I don't think it would be the most likely outcome.
I'd argue that it would be better to shift the whole idea few days and not to cancel it outright
You *can* get the best of both worlds.
Roland
Community Moderator
Or you just can pass on what I wrote here several times without trying to package in your personal interpretation and biases. That could work too.
What was the bias or personal interpretation in my statement? Like all good debates and conversations, we've been able to learn from one another and gain greater detail and insight. Your original statement is just a generalized, "I can't play at all during the weekdays" whereas in the course of the conversation we have learned the more accurate statement of "I can't play multiplayer at all during the weekdays". Usually, greater accuracy and detail is better, no?
I am not biased against multiplayer. I play multiplayer with my family. If there is any degree of personal interpretation it is only because you refuse to definitively state that you cannot even play a short single-player session during the week. Instead you talk about going to Mt Everest or getting to different destinations than you want, or arguing that you not wanting to play single player is irrelevant. You have, in your analogies, confirmed that while you could play single player, you choose not to because you have no interest in that form of play. I cast no aspersions upon that choice and 100% believe that you are correct-- that for people with certain jobs and responsibilities, coordinating multiple schedules during the week to play even one multiplayer session is just impossible. That makes perfect sense.
But since that is the choice you are making, it would be good for the developers to have all the accurate information in your pitch for them to change the schedule right? The entire reason I didn't believe your original statement was because I was coming from a single-player POV. I'm pretty sure the designers would also be thinking along those lines and might be a bit incredulous that people could not find any time to load up a single-player game to check out the new options during the following week if we went with your original more generalized statement.
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If you claim you don't see it, then I think you are trying to engage in bad faith by trying to play dumb. And personally I'm not buying that.
What you think about me having time to play during work week in any capacity (both single and multiplayer) is irrelevant. I don't have capacity to play SP and much less MP. The situation is not limited to MP games only - and I don't think I ever said it applies to MP session exclusively. That's why I told you several times that this argument makes absolutely no sense. I do prefer playing MP over SP for sure, but I don't really have time for either. You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over and over hoping that my circumstances would change or someting?
I honestly don't know and as I stated previously, I don't really care because you have no power in the decision making process. Maybe you had 8 years or so ago, but not anymore. It is therefore not necessary for you to do anything as you are not the target audience (we've discussed this earlier - several times I believe).
This post may or may not come across someone who has the relevant data and the authority to decide on things like that - I'll gladly let the universe/fate decide.
Prisma501
Survivor
I would put a month salary on the "universe/fate doesnt change ■■■■". 6500 euro. Take my bet.If you claim you don't see it, then I think you are trying to engage in bad faith by trying to play dumb. And personally I'm not buying that.
What you think about me having time to play during work week in any capacity (both single and multiplayer) is irrelevant. I don't have capacity to play SP and much less MP. The situation is not limited to MP games only - and I don't think I ever said it applies to MP session exclusively. That's why I told you several times that this argument makes absolutely no sense. I do prefer playing MP over SP for sure, but I don't really have time for either. You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over and over hoping that my circumstances would change or someting?
I honestly don't know and as I stated previously, I don't really care because you have no power in the decision making process. Maybe you had 8 years or so ago, but not anymore. It is therefore not necessary for you to do anything as you are not the target audience (we've discussed this earlier - several times I believe).
This post may or may not come across someone who has the relevant data and the authority to decide on things like that - I'll gladly let the universe/fate decide.
Roland
Community Moderator
@theFlu he's calling me a liar instead of just explaining what he thinks the bias is....
No, I was hoping you would finally definitively say what I just quoted below.
Finally, you claim to have no time capacity to even play a single-player session. I'll take you at your word now that you've given it. Sorry, but it seemed like you were dodging the question because you would not answer it. If you would have simply clarified that the moment I brought it up instead of saying there was no gotcha because its irrelevent and I also don't choose to go to Mt Everest and all the other stuff you posted instead of just simply saying, "I don't even have time for a single-player quickie" we could have avoided the last couple of pages.
Roland
Community Moderator
I'll do you one better 100% bias-free.
@schwanz9000 @Pokketninja, please check out the OP's first post feedback when you have a moment.
theFlu
Hunter
Heh, sure. You two are way too verbose for me to have bothered with the last 2 pages, so I can't judge how well I'd expect you to "see your own bias" - that's kinda the definitional problem with a bias ...
But more importantly, he's a rando, you're a permanent fixture on the forum... he's doing tons of vagueposting, which is quite annoying - but I won't likely see him after this thread. Trying to fix him isn't useful to me; you I don't want to /ignore, since you often have decent takes and nice insider info. Him, ehh.. can live without
To be completely honest I would bet on the same thing.
As I said previously, I really did not expect any reaction at all, much less for something to *really* change.
Where?
I'm saying you are probably trying to engage in bad faith. Is engagin in bad faith the same as being a liar to you? I admit that english is not my primary language, but I don't think there is an equivalence between the two terms.I stated clearly (from the very beginning) that I don't have time to play during work week (and that's what I don't like since I love the game)
To me it automatically implies all game modes (e.g. both SP and MP). Maybe I'm the only one who would interpret it that way, but I don't really think so.The same goes for the people around me, too. Maybe we are outliers, maybe not. That's not for me to decide
Thanks!
I'm sure you already noticed I don't post much (anywhere). So while I know it'll be very hard, you'll have to go on with your life without my charming and pleasant personalityhim, ehh.. can live without
Roland
Community Moderator
Where?
You are accusing me of being deceitful by pretending to not understand something (playing dumb). Pretending to act in a way that isn't truthful is a form of lying. Trust a primary english speaker on this.
So let's learn from the last 2-page fiasco and instead of talking around it, why not just answer my question? What was the bias you perceived? I don't think there was any-- at least not at the time I made it before you explicitly stated that even SP was beyond your capacity to play. I'm not trying to catch you in your words. I won't even reply. But maybe I'm blind to the bias I am inadvertently projecting and I'm willing to hear what you perceive it is and accept your perception without comment.
What bias? go.
Okay, I can understand this logic - fair point. In my language there is quite a difference between "playing dumb" and straight up lying. Lying is usually done with some sort of ill intent while "playing dumb" is not necessarily that negative. It just implies that someone does not want to engage with the argument itself for whatever reason which can be for example simple disagreement etc.
Therefore no, I don't think you are lying with some kind of ill intent. If that's how it came out, I'm sorry - I did not mean it that way.
Because to me the answer was obvious from the previous post and therefore was redundant.
If I say "I don't have time for gaming during the week" and you start asking whether I talk specifically about SP or MP then I automatically come to the conclusion that you are trying to argue something else and strawman some argument I did not make, therefore I don't react.
Maybe you did not meant it that way, but given how you entered the convo (basically acused me of lying - once directly and then by being unnecessarily hyperbolic) I did not give you the benefit of the doubt in this case and interpreted it in the abovementioned way.
We will. We were playing 2.6 yesterday and today but it was not as engaging as usually since we know that we will probably do a fresh start for the next version
Enjoy 3.0, we will join next weekend.