Why this release schedule?

But they get it on Friday. Just like they always have, just like they always will.
So why are you whining here? You clearly don't add anything relevant to the thread - "it's how it always has been" seems to be your motto which does not change anything either way.

The streamer weekend works because the vast majority like and support it. Period. TFP would not continue to do it if the opposite was true.

And also….I don’t believe for a second you won’t be able to find some time to play sometime during the week. My bet is that you’ll even play for a bit after work on Monday night. You definitely won’t put off playing to the next weekend. I mean if your work schedule is so engrossing and overwhelming your life Monday - Friday, you probably need to spend time with your family on the weekend instead of hours playing a video game….
So you say. Is there an actual poll or are pulling feelings out of our ... ears and stating them as hard facts?

No, I will not play at monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday and even friday evening. Your beliefs on how my life works and how it should work or what I should do are not relevant, sorry. I really don't understand the obsession of random people telling other random people how they should live their life, geez.

If that isn’t hypnotic BS, then they represent a very very small portion of the community.
Again, your opinion. Or do we have a solid, relevant data that are at least post-covid? If we do, I can definitely accept that. What I don't care for is bunch of randoms that are mindlessly screaming "it should stay how it always has been because reasons".

I don't see the reason why I should be hyperbolic (assuming that was the word you wanted to use). It is not too hard to imagine that I have a work (I hope) that is quite challenging and I have a limited time on my hands.

Accusing your opponent of lying, without any evidence, is not exactly kind, or useful. Especially when, even if they Were lying about the exact amount of time they have during the week, it would make no difference to the actual suggestion/request.
I have no idea why anyone would think I would feel the need to lie about having a job and not enough time during the weekday 😅 I mean people are really strangle online, but I did not really think it was this bad. I mean... wtf? 😅
 
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Having streamers show the goodies was always a marketing opportunity that was just too good to miss. And they will do anything to make it the best marketing event they can provide. Including giving them the weekend.

Now that it is an established event (practically a tradition) I don't think there is any chance that it would be changed to other days of the week. I don't really know how streamers tick, so this is just a wild guess, but I would expect them to protest since it would be felt as TFP taking away a privilege, and that is something TFP surely won't want to do.
TBH we are talking about 7DTD. This game is (unfortunately) not a GTA5 or GTA6....

I just googled the first stream statistic sites and streaming for 7DTD is down acros almost all metrics regardless of "streamer weekend" - https://streamscharts.com/games?search=7 days

I do agree; it's quite the first world problem to worry about which week a game happens to update on ... esp this one, as the predictions here are measured in quarters and the actual date is only really confirmed once Steam pushes the update :P
First world problem, still a problem. 😎
 
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TBH we are talking about 7DTD. This game is (unfortunately) not a GTA5 or GTA6....

I just googled the first stream statistic sites and streaming for 7DTD is down acros almost all metrics regardless of "streamer weekend" - https://streamscharts.com/games?search=7 days

If TFP sees some metrics slipping in regards to streamers, do you think they will decrease or increase their efforts?

Naturally, when there are only a handful of streamers left for the event they would probably drop the event altogether, but are we already at that point?
 
If TFP sees some metrics slipping in regards to streamers, do you think they will decrease or increase their efforts?

Naturally, when there are only a handful of streamers left they might drop the event altogether, but is it gone that far?

I think it does not matter at this point since we are talking about 10+ years old game. Trying to pose as a "hot stuff" that moves the streaming world and crashes streaming services is just not the reality 🤷

That is my point, pretending that streamer weekend is a hugely popular thing outside some very niche and specific bubble is just lying to yourself.

Makes me wonder if OP was a content creator on the creator program. Would they still be complaining? :P
I would not care if I could play the game 😉 But even if I was a part of the creator program and a creator, I'd be quite sure that 10 years old game will not catapult my channel from potential obscurity to peak viewship on any platform. Let's be real for a moment. That's why I said we are not talking about GTA6 or other games that are several orders of magnitude bigger.

People who play this game play it because they love it despite its problems and age 🙂
 
So why are you whining here? You clearly don't add anything relevant to the thread
And your thread of whining is adding nothing to this forum. Yet, here you are...
What I don't care for is bunch of randoms that are mindlessly screaming "it should stay how it always has been because reasons".
And yet you're just screaming "it should change because reasons!"
So you say. Is there an actual poll or are pulling feelings out of our ... ears and stating them as hard facts?
Judging purely on the amount of views all the streamer weekend content gets versus the amount of whiny comments like yours I'd have to agree with Roland. Even if the majority don't support it, you are obviously in the minority here.
 
And your thread of whining is adding nothing to this forum. Yet, here you are...

And yet you're just screaming "it should change because reasons!"

Judging purely on the amount of views all the streamer weekend content gets versus the amount of whiny comments like yours I'd have to agree with Roland. Even if the majority don't support it, you are obviously in the minority here.
I have stated reasons I see from my POV and I have proposed a change based on those. If you missed all of it, there is nothing I can do for you.

The fact that there are few (literally a handful) random people that are wanting to keep the things how they are means really nothing. None of you are really truly relevant in the grand scheme of how things will be. Neither am I. Saying that something is a minority opinion when you have like 7 people talking in total is funny 🤣 Do you really think that the games is that dead that the 7 people in here are a majority of the community? Holy cow that's depressing.

The only thing I hope can happen is that this posts gets to someone relevant, who will think about it and make a decision based on hard data like streaming charts and other real inputs. Number of how many randos argue in some random forum is not real hard data I'm afraid.

So unless there is someone who has real decision power, this is just pointless yapping as I already stated yesterday. It's just me, killing time.
 
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It's truly amazing how this game appeals to some of the most selfish and anti-social people. Maybe its the fake PVP side of the game? People not good enough to play PVP in a properly balanced game but still feel the need to dominate over other players. Or is it just the zombie setting?
 
It's truly amazing how this game appeals to some of the most selfish and anti-social people. Maybe its the fake PVP side of the game? People not good enough to play PVP in a properly balanced game but still feel the need to dominate over other players. Or is it just the zombie setting?

This thread is not about PVP nor is it about zombie setting (?).

And since there is nothing inherently selfish about wanting one way or the other I think you may have posted this in the wrong thread. 🤷
 
I think it does not matter at this point since we are talking about 10+ years old game. Trying to pose as a "hot stuff" that moves the streaming world and crashes streaming services is just not the reality 🤷

A 10 year old game that is still peaking at 30k players most days. That seems to be still enough for #90 in steams chart. Doesn't happen that often. https://steamdb.info/app/251570/charts/#9y .

I really don't see a massive downwind in that chart, just some high peaks inbetween long streches of continued interest in the game.

Now before we continue, where exactly did I say or imply "hot stuff"? Where did I say anything about this game crashing streaming services?
The game never was AAA, it never was in the same league as GTA. Who in their right mind would even want to compare it to GTA, the game where other AAA games reschedule their release date when GTA comes out? I smell hyperbole ;)

7d2d is a niche game. All niche games have a hard time creating attention and stay visible in steam. But getting some attention at least is important. Because even 10 year old games still create revenue when they can keep a player base and can be seen somewhere from time to time.

That is my point, pretending that streamer weekend is a hugely popular thing outside some very niche and specific bubble is just lying to yourself.

Again, who said or implied it was "hugely popular"? Your local car dealer will do marketing events even though he only gets 50 guys to look at his cars. Even though he'll never reach the same attention as Apple presenting their new line of phones.
 
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A 10 year old game that is still peaking at 30k players most days. That seems to be still enough for #90 in steams chart. Doesn't happen that often. https://steamdb.info/app/251570/charts/#9y .

I really don't see a massive downwind in that chart, just some high peaks inbetween long streches of continued interest in the game.
I'm talking about streaming which is being used as an argument in this thread to keep this strange release schedule. I am not talking about concurrent players.

What you just said just proves my point even more, devs are blocking 30-35k players from playing the release just so few hundred people gets to stream the game instead. And I think that this is a huge middle finger to all of us who want to just play the game. Hitting nail on the head with this one if you think about the absolute numbers.

But maybe I'm wrong - that's why I asked if there is a real data (poll/etc) that would back up the claims that streamer weekends make sense and most of the 35k players are glad that they can play outdated version of a game knowing that there is a patch just around the corner.


Again, who said or implied it was "hugely popular"?

I used the words "hugely popular" since we had here some aruments claiming "vast majority" is happy which I think is just BS:

The streamer weekend works because the vast majority like and support it. Period. TFP would not continue to do it if the opposite was true.

Not that important though - the argument is that not too many people really care about this being streamed so there is no real reason to keep everyone (30k is the number you presented, over the weekends it climbs higher) players waiting around just for "few" streamers to enjoy the game over the weekend which is precisely the time period when most of us can play. You can clearly see that on the steam charts, too - there is a big spike of players every weekend (up to 35k in fact). During the weekend there is noticeably less people playing, which kinda makes sense (having a job and all that crap).
 
Accusing your opponent of lying, without any evidence, is not exactly kind, or useful. Especially when, even if they Were lying about the exact amount of time they have during the week, it would make no difference to the actual suggestion/request.
I agree it wasn't kind. I apologize for that. But the OP hangs their whole argument on the fact that they can't play Monday-Friday at all and then infers that it is probably like that for at least enough people that TFP should swap the schedule. So, while not kind, it is a relevant line of debate and I maintain that even if the OP is being 100% accurate about not having 30 minutes of time here or there for leisure time, that is not necessarily the case for the majority of people.

I suppose the kinder approach would have been to say that I sympathize with their tough work schedule but that their work schedule isn't indicative of most players.

So you say. Is there an actual poll or are pulling feelings out of our ... ears and stating them as hard facts?

No, I will not play at monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday and even friday evening. Your beliefs on how my life works and how it should work or what I should do are not relevant, sorry. I really don't understand the obsession of random people telling other random people how they should live their life, geez.

There is no public poll but I'm also not pulling feelings out my ears. TFP in last two years has created an influencer program and hired someone to run it and coordinate with all the content creators. They did this because the demand outgrew the initial methodology of using the forum to coordinate things. They wouldn't do this unless the event was bringing them value.

There is no question that the event engenders bad will among certain members of the community and good will among certain members of the community. If the bad will was growing and the good will shrinking then TFP would abandon the events. But all signs point to the opposite being true.

As for your own schedule, sorry I doubted you. I won't say you're lying about it since you are doubling down on the claim. But I do maintain that that is your life and it doesn't translate to most people. In fact, from out of my ears, I have to say that I believe the large majority can squeeze a bit of hobby and entertainment and leisure into the weekdays of their lives. The schedule should not be swapped simply based on your schedule.

Again, your opinion. Or do we have a solid, relevant data that are at least post-covid? If we do, I can definitely accept that. What I don't care for is bunch of randoms that are mindlessly screaming "it should stay how it always has been because reasons".

I don't see the reason why I should be hyperbolic (assuming that was the word you wanted to use). It is not too hard to imagine that I have a work (I hope) that is quite challenging and I have a limited time on my hands.

You started the discussion by doing exactly that. You're screaming that it should be changed because reasons. Your reasons are your unique situation of not being able to play Monday - Friday. The reasons for keeping it as it is have been explained to you but obviously you don't accept them or choose to ignore them:

1) The weekend works better for TFP work schedules and opening the experimental to everyone on the first day of their workweek is best for quickly handling issues that my come up.
2) The weekend works better for streamers who often have weekday jobs and can do marathon streams only on the weekends

These reasons trump your singular dilemma of not being able to play on a weekday and unless YOU can show me polls or statistics that prove that the majority of 7 Days to Die players also cannot play the game Monday-Friday, then you are simply doing what you accuse me of doing with my....ears.

I have no idea why anyone would think I would feel the need to lie about having a job and not enough time during the weekday 😅 I mean people are really strangle online, but I did not really think it was this bad. I mean... wtf? 😅

That's easy. When someone has an agenda they'd like to push they will often fuzz the truth--particularly in a hyborbolic manner in order to push their viewpoint and make it seem a larger issue than it is. You say you aren't lying and I will accept that and say that I believe you. But it isn't a stretch at all to figure out that some people will frame things in a way that they believe will strengthen their argument. You really have no idea that this is a thing? It doesn't happen just on the internet. I teach high school and parents get caught in lies all the time trying to get their children out of trouble at school. There are people that are like that and I don't know you so you could easily be one of those types of people-- but it is polite to take people at their word unless proven otherwise so again I apologize for being impolite.

TBH we are talking about 7DTD. This game is (unfortunately) not a GTA5 or GTA6....

I just googled the first stream statistic sites and streaming for 7DTD is down acros almost all metrics regardless of "streamer weekend" - https://streamscharts.com/games?search=7 days

It doesn't have to have the fan base of GTA5 or GTA6. Those games are irrelevant and TFP isn't trying to claim that their game is at the same level as those other games. But at the level it is at and for the hype, fun, and feedback TFP wants to achieve from the event, the weekend works best for them and the event itself is viewed as a net gain in value every single time.
First world problem, still a problem. 😎

A problem worth discussing in a forum but not necessarily a problem that needs changing when it is working.
 
The only thing I hope can happen is that this posts gets to someone relevant, who will think about it and make a decision based on hard data like streaming charts and other real inputs.
You don't think they looked at it after the first time they did a streamer weekend? If it didn't accomplish what they hoped it would maybe they would have done away with it. The fact they have been doing it this long now should give you your answer.
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A problem worth discussing in a forum but not necessarily a problem that needs changing when it is working.
Not even sure it was worth posting...
 
I wanted to ask when I've been waiting for the previous release but forgot.

Who came up with this idea of streamer weekend with release on monday? Meaning that while I have whole weekend where I could be playing, I can't. And when the game releases, I can't play as well because I have a life and work 🤦

Is it just me or is this schedule just plain stupid for every normal person that has a normal job? If you want to support streamers, you could just as easily give them access in the middle of the week or something like that so everyone can play during the weekend.
I'm sure it's probably been said, but I didn't want to read through 3 pages to find out...

Point 1: If they release on Friday and there is a major issue, the devs are mostly not there because they are off for the weekend and so any fix won't happen right away. Many studios have done weekend releases in the past and they tend to blow up. These days, most studios don't release on the weekend specifically because they know that things go wrong and they want the full set of devs to be there to fix the problems. Because of this, you're going to get the release on Monday regardless of whether or not there is a streamer weekend.

Point 2: Streamers provide advertisement and marketing for the game. This does better on the weekend when more people can watch the streams. That means it is beneficial for TFP to let the streamers stream the game over the weekend. And, as mentioned, the update won't be released over the weekend anyhow, so it works well.

Point 3: Streamers provide a smaller number of players to find bugs that can be fixed before the experimental release to help fix any glaring issues before the majority of players get the update.

In short, you won't get the update released for you on the weekend even if there wasn't a streamer weekend, so you're not missing out on anything. One other thing to consider... if you can't play all week, it just means you need some patience to wait until the next weekend to play. It's no different than if they just decided to release one week later because it wasn't ready yet. A week is hardly the end of the world.
 
I'm talking about streaming which is being used as an argument in this thread to keep this strange release schedule. I am not talking about concurrent players.

What you just said just proves my point even more, devs are blocking 30-35k players from playing the release just so few hundred people gets to stream the game instead. And I think that this is a huge middle finger to all of us who want to just play the game. Hitting nail on the head with this one if you think about the absolute numbers.

But maybe I'm wrong - that's why I asked if there is a real data (poll/etc) that would back up the claims that streamer weekends make sense and most of the 35k players are glad that they can play outdated version of a game knowing that there is a patch just around the corner.

It looks to me that evidence won't matter to you. Steam charts shows that over the past seven days an average of about 20,000 players were playing the game verses today which shows about 30,000. There is hard data that shows plenty of people can play during the week but it doesn't matter. You will still interpret it to support your viewpoint that most people cannot play Monday-Friday just like you. You will discount any other interpretation that doesn't fit what you have already decided to be true.

BTW, 20k players is a nice number of players for an experimental build that may have problems. It means we will sstill get lots of feedback but not overwhelming amounts if 100k or more were all playing it. So as a filter to keep the experimental launch on the smaller side, having the game release on a Monday-Friday schedule is also a benefit. There will probably be a round of fixes already pushed by time you are able to play it on Saturday.

Remember also that while you only have to wait until next Saturday to play, there are 1000s of console gamers who have to wait until the stable version releases weeks later.
 
I suppose the kinder approach would have been to say that I sympathize with their tough work schedule but that their work schedule isn't indicative of most players.
This would've been a lot better, imo ;)

I notice, we're also thinking about this game in quite different terms; you say "30 mins here and there", but I won't even start the game unless I have at least 2 hours for a sesh. I might not play past 1h, but I tend to get carried away and I like to have ample time for that. 2h gaps even with a basic 9-5 + commute or maybe kids - might not be all that easy to come by.
 
I agree it wasn't kind. I apologize for that. But the OP hangs their whole argument on the fact that they can't play Monday-Friday at all and then infers that it is probably like that for at least enough people that TFP should swap the schedule. So, while not kind, it is a relevant line of debate and I maintain that even if the OP is being 100% accurate about not having 30 minutes of time here or there for leisure time, that is not necessarily the case for the majority of people.

I suppose the kinder approach would have been to say that I sympathize with their tough work schedule but that their work schedule isn't indicative of most players.
To be completely honest, I don't get offended by someone disagreeing with me on the internet. Words are just words.

However I'm not basing that on just my schedule. I'm basing it on a plain and observable fact, that there is less people playing over the week than over the weekend. And this is the case for almost every game, this is nothing that needs to be discussed or argued with. It's plain fact that most people do work and when they do, they tend to have mo-fr work week. Some of those people can make some time for playing, some can't - it could be because they have just enough time for family but not for gaming, but the real reason is also not really important. And while some people do play over the week, quite a lot more play over the weekend (again, easily seen on all steam graphs where you have a big spike in gaming during weekend)


There is no public poll but I'm also not pulling feelings out my ears.
I'm sorry, but if you are not part of the dev team or someone that runs and coordinates the program, you are pulling feelings out of somewhere. You can't really say there is no data but you are basing what you are saying on data - that's just contradiction in itself 🤷


They wouldn't do this unless the event was bringing them value.

There is no question that the event engenders bad will among certain members of the community and good will among certain members of the community. If the bad will was growing and the good will shrinking then TFP would abandon the events. But all signs point to the opposite being true.
You just said there is no data. How can you state these things without any data? This is just bias on your part - just because people don't get angry enough to create an account here & write a forum post does not mean that it bothers them.

I also would not have wrote this if I did not already have an account since it's something that I don't like but not really enough to do that much because of it.

What you are saying is not true and demonstrably so. Companies do things that actively harm them all the time and they use the very same logic: our customers did not say it matters so we did it like that. And in order to prevent that, here I am. To put my finger on the scale so to speak.

Just look at the numbers: there are 10 people in the thread arguing that things should not change - but there are 35k players out there. So these people here are how much? 0.0003% of the player base? Is it good enough that 0.0003% of vocal forum posters keep company doing something that makes no sense? I'm not too sure - hence the post here.


As for your own schedule, sorry I doubted you. I won't say you're lying about it since you are doubling down on the claim. But I do maintain that that is your life and it doesn't translate to most people. In fact, from out of my ears, I have to say that I believe the large majority can squeeze a bit of hobby and entertainment and leisure into the weekdays of their lives. The schedule should not be swapped simply based on your schedule.
No worries - as I said, words on the internet don't hurt me. I live my life and I'm in my own personal bubble. You are in your own. People around me don't have too much time to play around during the work week, because they tend to have family and they spend the little free time they have with a family rather than playing games.

It may be very well different for you, but that does not invalidate my life and lives of people around me. 🤷 And I don't even think you are lying about you having time - you could be living on the other side of the world for all I know and things are different all around.


You started the discussion by doing exactly that. You're screaming that it should be changed because reasons. Your reasons are your unique situation of not being able to play Monday - Friday. The reasons for keeping it as it is have been explained to you but obviously you don't accept them or choose to ignore them:

1) The weekend works better for TFP work schedules and opening the experimental to everyone on the first day of their workweek is best for quickly handling issues that my come up.
2) The weekend works better for streamers who often have weekday jobs and can do marathon streams only on the weekends
Where am I screaming? I don't think I did that 🤷

And no, reasons were not explained - only personal feelings and anectodal evidence and stuff like "it has always been like that". Honestly I feel that if we would allow this kind of thinking to define our behavior as a species, we would be wiping our bums with pinecones and running around butt naked with stone spears. I mean that's how our ancestors did it and it must've worked out for them so it's good enoug for us, right? 🤣

I also explained why I think that these two reasons you said are invalid. The latter is addressed by my latest post here - you are blocking 30-35k players just for a select few to stream while the streaming numbers don't really support the claim that this is a hugely important think that brings attention to less known streamers.


A problem worth discussing in a forum but not necessarily a problem that needs changing when it is working.

Exactly - that was the whole point, to have a discussion about weighing abovementioned numbers & trends. Because argument "it's always been done like this" is a dumb one and does not even deserve the space in the database - and I think we can probably agree on that 🤷

So to reiterate my position:
Many people (most in my social bubble) can't really play during the week due to circumstances like work, family etc and prefer gaming during the weekend. That can be shown by the fact that there is a big spike in concurrent gamers during the weekend - it spikes from ~20k to 30-35k.

I can understand that there could be a reason for giving some group a heads up (even if it would be just for "beta testing"). Okay, so let's keep the "streamers first" approach, but how about we move the start of this time period to (let's say) tuesday? That way we could get most of both worlds - people who don't have time/energy to play can watch someone play the new version before the weekend when they can get to the computer and spend whole day gaming. And as a bonus, it would enable devs to catch bugs that streamers run into during work days.

The underlying argument is, that given how (arguably not too) many people stream 7DTD, it does not really make sense to block the vast majority (30-35k) from playing the latest version during the weekend.



I notice, we're also thinking about this game in quite different terms; you say "30 mins here and there", but I won't even start the game unless I have at least 2 hours for a sesh. I might not play past 1h, but I tend to get carried away and I like to have ample time for that. 2h gaps even with a basic 9-5 + commute or maybe kids - might not be all that easy to come by.

I completely agree with you, I have the same mindset/problem - and since I play mostly cooperative multiplayer, it is especially time consuming. There really is no option to play "30 mins here and there" since all/most of us have to join etc.

Even if I just play with my girlfriend, it is not automatic that both of us will have the exact same time window during work week unfortunately. On the weekends, however, we usually do 🙂
 
The only thing I hope can happen is that this posts gets to someone relevant, who will think about it and make a decision based on hard data like streaming charts and other real inputs. Number of how many randos argue in some random forum is not real hard data I'm afraid.

So unless there is someone who has real decision power, this is just pointless yapping as I already stated yesterday. It's just me, killing time.

Since you haven't posted anything that hasn't already been posted and reposted many times over 7-8 years worth of doing the streamer weekend, I can assure you that your hope has been realized already. The decision makers have considered every objection you have made along with the benefits they get from doing the event and measuring the overall response to it and their decision has been to continue.

I was in charge of organizing the event the first three or four times it happened and I reported all of the dissenting POVs of having the event at all to how it was being scheduled to how people were selected--- all of it. I know for a fact as the person who reported it that the decision-makers have heard and considered it all.

So if that is what you wanted to accomplish, I'm happy to say that every single one of your points was considered and discussed back in 2018. In this matter, at least, I'm not exactly just some rando.
 
Since you haven't posted anything that hasn't already been posted and reposted many times over 7-8 years worth of doing the streamer weekend, I can assure you that your hope has been realized already.

You keep proving my point: someone made the decision in the pre COVID era when things were very different. We are not in 2018-2020 era, but in 2026. And you are arguing over and over that decision made 8 years ago is still valid - which is something I'm not too sure about.

And given the fact that - as you said - this has been posted and reposted many times over, I'm clearly not the only one with this opinion and therefore it should be discussed.

In 2018 I think I had a phone with iOS 12. That's eons ago in the tech space.
 
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