Are you trying to say it's an update, but not a major update, i.e. with hours of new content, story, NPCs, etc.? That's how I feel about it. It's just a "personal preference" update PC players, at least, could accomplish with mods and slight XML changes and doesn't add any significant content to the game at all. Afic, it's still 2.7 and hardly anything "new" to get excited about. I have to wonder why it's being promoted as such.
so the console gamers...who this "second" game was aimed at, who were/are not on the forums...they should have known the TFP were full of ■■■■? that's what you are saying.
not going to let you twist this into a straw man argument: You have argued this same stuff with me before...remember? I do. I remember you trying to tell me that "it was just mathematically possible for them to meet the road map". now you are saying any fool should have known they would never stay on schedule.
yes...it does matter.
i don't care about what happens during closed development...no player does...because they are not playing it. They are not getting used to "place holders".
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Are you trying to say it's an update, but not a major update, i.e. with hours of new content, story, NPCs, etc.? That's how I feel about it. It's just a "personal preference" update PC players, at least, could accomplish with mods and slight XML changes and doesn't add any significant content to the game at all. Afic, it's still 2.7 and hardly anything "new" to get excited about. I have to wonder why it's being promoted as such.
Not for any project with a competent project manager and an actual budget.
My comment is not an argument. Not sure why most everyone has to treat everything said on the Internet as an argument for or against something, though I have pretty good idea. Why release planned content? Because it's long been planned. NPCs (bandits) and story, which I couldn't care less about myself, were listed as features in the Kickstarter campaign way back when and planned for in the roadmap to finish the unfinished game. They're part and parcel of the planned, finished game, iow. The latest patch is a bunch of settings added to accommodate personal preferences, likely in the hopes of addressing that irreparable rift in the community, ntm (likely) to make the vitriol slung their way moot, though I doubt it will. They don't turn it back into a sandbox, but it's about as close as they can get without undoing years of work adding "RPG elements."
Well, that’s what most people are saying, which is why I’m bringing it up—I’m not talking about you specifically, but to me it doesn’t make sense that people asked for options to customize the experience and now everything is suddenly bad. I just can’t stop being surprised by this game’s community. We all want more content, and the bigger the update, the better, but a lot of us asked for these options. We all know that TFP is a mess with release dates and the roadmap, and that the bandits were going to be delayed—I don’t know why people are surprised. I get that YouTubers need to stir up controversy to make money, but the rest of us?
Grz, meet people; people, meet grz.
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I don't think you fall into that category of peopleGrz, meet people; people, meet grz.
Most of it is probably different people; some were asking for settings / liked the ideas, others didn't / wanted something else but didn't say much.
Even some that wanted something specific, and got something close to it ... can still complain about the difference. That often annoys more than an outright "no".
And then there's the few eternal complainers, who'll post just to complain, or argue ... (just to add a category you can file me under ...
Well, I dunno ... some of the new settings are "old XML edits". Relatively trivial on PC, but great to have for console. Bandits, their new AI didn't exist, so coding something like that as a mod was a whole nightmare; once there are official AI tasks for humans, at least combining those into something new could be done as XML. The difference is roughly like between filling an Excel sheet and making Excel itself ...
Easy for you, I suppose but not for me
True, true; no shade intended. I don't even want a world where people need to learn to edit XMLs. I know something of that, but I know next to nothing about .. anything actually useful in an apocalypse!
yes...we reached THAT level of discourse. I don't appreciate being ■■■■ed around. How many times Have I gotten ■■■■ed around for asking for updates on progress? for questioning the road map?
Yes, to me this is only a "minor" update. If this was still in alpha, does anyone really think TFP would make an entirely new alpha version for it? I doubt it. It would have more likely been something like Alpha 26.7 instead of Alpha 27. (Not sure what alpha we're basically on right now... I lost track). However, this isn't because of any ability for PC players to modify most of this stuff easily. There just isn't really much of any actually new content in here. I don't consider options as content. Sure, they can change your game, but options aren't content, imo. New POI are great, but we sometimes got those in minor versions, so they don't need a major version just for those. The few new content things that are in this version are pretty underwhelming. So... minor version. But I gave up any hope of TFP using a decent version system when they went to 1.0 for consoles. At this point, they should just call the bandit update v.B.A.N.D.I.T.S instead of 4.0. It would at least make more sense.Are you trying to say it's an update, but not a major update, i.e. with hours of new content, story, NPCs, etc.? That's how I feel about it. It's just a "personal preference" update PC players, at least, could accomplish with mods and slight XML changes and doesn't add any significant content to the game at all. Afic, it's still 2.7 and hardly anything "new" to get excited about. I have to wonder why it's being promoted as such.
I suppose it depends who specifically you're talking about in regards to "a lot of people". My post that InfiniteWarrior was responding to mentioned it being a benefit to console players who couldn't make those changes. But my main point was not about it being easy for PC players to make the changes with mods and that's why it's not a great update. For me personally, the options just aren't significant. Any options that might have any significant impact on the game are options I'd never personally use. For example, I won't ever disable traders. And I have no reason to change what traders sell since I rarely buy from them anyhow. I don't need the game to artificially limit what is sold just to make me not buy from them and break the progression. They could offer tier 3 quality 6 gear starting on day 1 and I wouldn't buy it. I don't need handholding to ignore what the trader sells. I mostly only buy stuff that only the trader sells or the armor magazines that are so rare to get unless you "waste" points in the armor perks. Maybe I'd buy a quality 1 drone if I'm running too far behind in magazines to craft them and don't want to wait, but I wouldn't buy a higher one and would then just wait until I can craft the quality 6 drone. Now, I would change some loot abundance settings, but that isn't exactly a game changer. I'd have no reason to do all day or all night stuff. I might change the trader open hours to 24/7 just so I have a reason to do the night quests. In the past, I mostly ignored them because why get a quest that I can't do until night (and can't take others from that trader at the same time) instead of a quest that I can do right away? Changing things like damage was already possible, even if maybe not quite the same way as the options that are there now, and isn't really what I'd consider game changing anyhow. And I absolutely would never enable the Twitch stuff.
You'd need to consider comments from the same people and not from different people. *Some* people asked for more options. Just because *others* didn't want them or don't like them doesn't mean those who asked for them are complaining or saying they are bad.
Honestly, some people never fail to amaze me. It's like the guy who buys from the snake oil salesman for the 30th time in a row and acts all shocked when they get scammed (again), and they lash out at anyone who tells them "you should have learned the first time". It's like they've developed amnesia or something. Pattern recognition isn't that hard. I don't typically like being this blunt with people, it's not the energy I like the surround myself with, but seriously smh. AFAIK, TFP have never hit a release date for a major release based on prior optimistic estimates, and not even close, which is fine, it just is. In addition, aside from one time (this being July), TFP have consistently landed major updates in either June or December for the past 6-7+ years consecutively. If a horse wins the race for the 8th time in a row, I know which one I'm betting on.
I think that is the main selling point. When you have people diametrically opposed to certain mechanics and you don't want to ostracize either of them or when the developers are unsure about what mechanics make for the best game experience.
Problem with such statistics is that you have to know the baseline. Are we talking about settings such as volume sliders or gameplay sliders? Most games I have played don't offer a ton of gameplay settings that fundamentally change how the game is played which would be a reason why most do not change the settings.
To be fair a lot of work was done after the massive outcry of negative reviews and comments about the direction of the game. I for one am glad they listened to the player base and understood the direction needed some tweaking. It's not to say developers should listen one for one on every idea but the general framework of the game should be fun for most and if that isn't the case rethink why that may be.
To be fair it's not just TFP. Look at Destiny 2. Took them until it's closure to make it decent. Development can be difficult. This isn't to write off previous lack of community engagement, but I will say I am happy about the current direction. Sure we may be behind schedule but at least we are going north and not south.
I agree with a darkness setting but I still am holding out for more dynamic nights with variable darkness. Each night shouldn't be pitch black but 1 in 8 is acceptable to me.
I see your point. I think it's an important milestone in bringing people back to the table. Is it worthy of being a standalone update? Maybe not but it's impact is better than 2.0 for me personally. Either way it's just a number metric.Are you trying to say it's an update, but not a major update, i.e. with hours of new content, story, NPCs, etc.? That's how I feel about it. It's just a "personal preference" update PC players, at least, could accomplish with mods and slight XML changes and doesn't add any significant content to the game at all. Afic, it's still 2.7 and hardly anything "new" to get excited about. I have to wonder why it's being promoted as such.
They started with a very small team and if they had completed the game 5 years ago it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is now. Is there bloat from "new ideas"? Sure, but I have enjoyed the journey.
You have to work on your examples, TFP is a company and not family. Family rules give a lot of room for imperfection but here company rules are aplied. Companies that fail to deliver in time without proper reason loose customers.
And that's where you are missing the point: 7d2d is crossplatform so mods and xml is not an option for everyone.
