That's not entirely true. People who are happy with everything simply continue doing what they enjoy. If a player enjoys a game, they'll sit and play it; they won't waste time watching videos. And those who don't will, accordingly, seek out like-minded people.
V2.5+ Survival Revival Dev Diary
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faatal
Fun Pimps Staff
I made the post last week and said it looked like all the fixes were moved over and it was in testing. I see another bug fix was moved to 2.6 today, which means they found issues in testing and want one or more fixes before release. Another build will be made and that will be tested.
So you shouldn't expect an experimental version until the end of February 100%?
Riamus
Hunter
Yeah, the play time number in Steam includes any mod use, including overhaul mods. However, it also counts all time spent paused or at the main menu or while running a server but not actually playing in the game you're hosting. That's why GM's playtime is going up an average of about 12 hours per day the last time I calculated it over a 3 month period.
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I think that's unlikely. Unless there's some serious bugs that come up, we still have 10 days to get experimental started. It's just a guess, but I would expect it within a week. But it's always an unknown time period because you can't know if new bugs will be found that are critical and need to be fixed before the release.
Roland
Community Moderator
Yes. All of it.
Yes you were. You didn't use the explicit words to form the question but you talked about how no dates are given and then called that poor communication skills. It isn't difficult to see what you are getting at with these statements:
Just because you've changed your tactics from outright demanding a timeline to passive aggressive snipes doesn't mean that nobody recognizes that you haven't gotten off the same train you've been riding since you first started posting. I mean the moment Beerfly replied to you with "It's done when it's done" you went right back to the same thing you've been posting for years-- even going so far as letting us know you won't accept the very reason why the dates were missed ahead of time.
It's like asking why the sun rises in the morning but telling us you won't accept "earth rotation" or "solar system dynamics" ahead of time....
Grandpa Minion
Survivor
You dont need the game to be better to get more views just come make some PVP videos, you will get 1000s of views.
hell i posted a simple video on reddit and it got thousands of views and im no streamer.
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HammerDano
Survivor
then I don't think you comprehended it well
NO I wasn't...funny to me that the guy who just lectured me about how wrong it is to assign motives...is assigning motives.
I am resigned to the fact that the management is not learning from its mistakes and missteps.
They are POOR at communication...they are BAD at meeting self imposed timelines...and then not communicating about THAT.
THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE. Do you deny it?
YUP...when someone on here wants to give me the same old song and dance about "developing is hard...there's no way to know how long will take" as a response to why TFP are so poor at communication as an excuse...I am going to come back with "then how did they put such SHORT timelines on the road map"
NOPE...and what an ■■■■■■■ false equivocation.
You just don't like the question...you don't like that the answer is tooooo difficult to be honest about. So how about you guys stop using that bull■■■■ as an excuse and I will stop throwing "how did they put short dates on it" back in your face...sound good?
I remember not long ago YOU agreed that more communication would be a good thing...what happened to that?
IzPrebuilt
Survivor
You have 18 subscribers and a combined 1600 views on youtube. Your reddit account is sitting on -2 karma because all you do is advertise your server with AI art no matter how many times you get spat on for it. I couldn't even find your reddit pvp post with thousands of views. I'm guessing you saw impressions and thought that meant something?
Regardless, flexing views is genuine rodent behavior because it's such a non-achievement celebrated by morons but if you're gonna tell me what content to make to get views you should be aware of the 28 million views I have.
Kosmic Kerman
Survivor
Remember kids its important to take your medicine and touch grass now and again.
Grandpa Minion
Survivor
You said, "If this game was better...it would have more players...and I would have more viewer potential, and thus revenue..."
not to mention all the other toxic and slander remarks ive seen you make the last couple days....
i gave you a suggestion to make pvp videos.. to help your cause,
which now im 100% convinced your toxic behavior is the reason your views are going down, so ill leave you with this last comment.
Instead of trying to point fingers at tfp to improve the game so you get better views, go look youself in the mirror, cause what i see coming from you is Toxicity.
Roland
Community Moderator
I didn’t assign motives. I have no idea why you do what you do and won’t hazard a guess. I gave you two explicit quotes as evidence that you are still asking for release date information and that that is your definition of “good communication”. You didn’t include those in your reply.
Nothing happened to it. But good communication doesn’t equal giving out release dates nor does it equal revealing exactly why they missed those dates to random people on the internet. Faatal has been giving us great updates on completed task milestones towards the release of 2.6. He just hasn’t given a release date for it.
IzPrebuilt
Survivor
If the game had 10x the players I would have 10x the potential audience. That's just basic logic. You're being deliberately obtuse now.
And my views aren't going down girly they're actually going up but whatever.
Also learn what slander means. If i was saying that the fun pimps stealing money from your bank accounts that would be slander because it's provably false and extremely damaging. Me saying "me no like game they should make gamer better" isn't slander.
HammerDano
Survivor
this was what you wrote...seems like assigning motives to me
they gave out dates...didn't meet them...have been very poor at giving any reasoning...this is A failure of communication...it was obviously not a comprehensive list of every failure that communication CAN have. as to the rest of that I refer you to my back and forth with @Space4Ace
my response was
don't see where I was asking for "exact" anything.
you made a mountain out of a molehill and are just unwilling or unable to admit it.
Roland
Community Moderator
It was a molehill two years ago but you’ve been shoveling the same stuff for two years and heaped up a mountain of your own making.
Btw….You’ve already been given answers to the questions you keep asking but you won’t accept them. You don’t understand software development and have expectations that are unrealistic for this industry due to your ignorance. Like I said, you preemptively reject all the actual reasons because you don’t like or believe them and then continue to ask pretending like you’ve never been answered.
It’s a huge mountain you’re shoveling up.
HammerDano
Survivor
so your response is projection and avoidance?
TFP are guilty of being terrible at communication. There's no real reason for that. They have had a loooooooong time to get better at it.
It hasn't been quite two years yet since the game launched...though "we" are past the time TFP gave themselves for the road map...and where are "we" at? half way? less than halfway? this all just feeds back into how valid my question about "how did they put such short dates on the road map?" actually is.
This is the job THEY CHOSE...all of this is on them...including the lack of communication. Sorry but, imo, "we" have seen that the only thing that actually motivates the management is the bottom line. Because THAT (the reaction to 2.0) was what motivated them to address complaints that have existed for YEARS.
I have no doubt that development can be hard...it becomes even harder when your code gets "spaghettied" by changes in directions...which is pretty normal in game development...but probably not to this extreme.
This whole back and forth between me and you was unnecessary...you over reacted and couldn't let it go....which just dragged it all out again.
Kosmic Kerman
Survivor
I have excerpted your first and last paragraphs. You might want to take a moment and reflect on whether you are speaking about others or yourself.
HammerDano
Survivor
don't know why you felt the need to insert yourself...do you think @Roland could not "handle" it by himself?
If he had not responded...It would have just passed by unnoticed. So yeah...I am good with what I said and how I said it. If you think there is something I failed to address...let me hear it. I won't bother pointing out all the stuff that didn't get addressed from mine...that is the same story over and over.
bdubyah
Hunter
It's probably because more and more people are tired of your nonsense.
