I've made the same point myself, though people point out that those who are asking for LBD are looking for a specific kind of LBD that requires you to do a specific task for a specific gain rather than getting general XP to spend however you want. I don't personally like LBD in most games (the kind people are usually referring to when saying LBD) and prefer a more general XP option.
I get it, but my point is that mining (not only literally, but also in general "farming resources" with a stone axe) is so integral to early game that your example would be like being on an airplane and saying: "you don't need a parachute to reach the ground, you have other options... why not just jump?".
"Forgetting elixir is a cop out"? That doesn't sound like an accusation of extreme. It's part of the game, if You consider it kinda cheating, great, me too; but the GAME doesn't like limits. In reference to both "specializations" and "obtaining resources". How is that extreme, or nitpicky?I explained exactly and specifically what I considered as an extreme example you made in my reply (but you cut it).
In the early game? I'd disagree with that part. Other than for the initial challenges or biome challenges, I rarely mine anything until I have an auger unless I absolutely "need" to. I'm definitely not going to mine in the early game. If anything, I might do it mid-game before the auger, but that's not common. I find plenty of iron for early stuff just from loot, and I will scrap a dozen or two of cars to get the small amount of gas I'll need for a minibike, but that's about it.I get it, but my point is that mining (not only literally, but also in general "farming resources" with a stone axe) is so integral to early game that your example would be like being on an airplane and saying: "you don't need a parachute to reach the ground, you have other options... why not just jump?".
Yet you get a bonus from both the Miner 69'er and the Mother Lode perks.
So I guess digging is not mining either for you.
So I guess you never use cobblestone in early game?
Agreed.
Important question: do you build your own base or do you fortify a POI as your base?
Forced? No. But need to? I think so. At least if you're building a lot and not just camping inside a POI for early game.
Because, as I already explained, using the "magic potion" to reset points is not a mechanic that is considered part of the normal leveling process.
Usually when I play 7 Days to Die, I don’t invest a single point into mining, yet I never have problems with resources. Breaking pallets with stones and other resource pallets, even destroyed generators or cement mixers, gives hundreds of iron. The minibike uses very little fuel, which I find in barrels, and I usually have a Wrench before I even get the minibike itself. The game is well-balanced you can gather tons of resources even without mining. I run around with a stone axe for a long time and still have no issues with materials. Some POIs have several pallets with resources. Before the first horde, I always have thousands of wood and other materials because I loot literally everything from POIs. Traders also sell cobblestone for ridiculous amounts of money, which is another good reason to turn them off.
If it's not too much hassle, could you post a picture of your early game base?
I almost always build 2 bases from scratch - normal and horde. I have no problem making it cobblestone, both for my main base and my horde base. I don't always make the top floors cobblestone initially since there isn't much reason to in the early game. I do both bases without any real mining. Wood is plentiful, and as I said, I always do that with a stone axe. I find so much stone without trying that I don't ever have to purposely mine it, even with making 2 bases. Clay is the same way. I find enough for early game just from removing a layer of terrain for my bases.Yet you get a bonus from both the Miner 69'er and the Mother Lode perks.
So I guess digging is not mining either for you.
So I guess you never use cobblestone in early game?
Agreed.
Important question: do you build your own base or do you fortify a POI as your base?
Because I think the difference for me is that I almost always build a base from scratch and that's when you need a lot of wood, stone and clay.
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Forced? No. But need to? I think so. At least if you're building a lot and not just camping inside a POI for early game.
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Because, as I already explained, using the "magic potion" to reset points is not a mechanic that is considered part of the normal leveling process.
Isn't that obvious?
Weird, I never felt like relying on looting to get the basic materials for building... I'll have to try that in my next run.
I don’t have one, unfortunately. I delete my saves when I finish playing on a save. Right now I’m playing with difficulty settings and mods that make it so I barely survive two days, so I have to start over. I haven’t made it to day 7 yet lol. Or I could make it and send it to you because it’s pretty simple and lasts a long time for me.If it's not too much hassle, could you post a picture of your early game base?
Do you have one?
But they're not forced to mine, so how are they they forced to improve the mining skill? They just want to? Is their 'want' a higher priority than the other end of the want, "I want to improve it by mining"? What is the diff?
It is merely evidence to my claim that "the Game doesn't like limits". There are alternatives for everything, short of magazines and XP; and you don't Need to grind for either of those to live. You can call it "extreme" if you like, but it's a minor side thread of mentioning an actual game mechanic; I fail to see the extremity.
I do take LBD literally, and i think it's appropriate. I don't understand how that's the same as taking a title/job literally.If you take the words of LBD literally, you are correct. But if you take "trapper" literally, a trapper does only lay traps. A settler can't move because he settles.
LBD is clearly defined and is distinct from a general xp-for-perks system, with LBD you don't distribute any points, the points come to you automatically. You probably should use the accepted definition or you might as well speak italian with us.
How many airplanes are there in your room? None, or trillions?
True, "the Game doesn't like limits", imagine that you can even MOD it!
You're not asking me, but you were wondering about our playstyle differences earlier, so I'll add this: I posted about my d7/d14 horde base at 2.0 here:
Hmm; there's been some motion in the systems over the years, I don't pretend to remember how it all went down. Never have I ever felt the need to slow down on the levels to manipulate the game. I do play solo, multiplayer scales faster.
I'd think moving weapon, mining, etc. skills into the general tab would be disastrous. They're not general skills. Ergo, they might have their own tabs (e.g. one-handed, two-handed, big guns, small guns), but the grouping of weapons (<-- just an example) together under specific attributes incentivizes using those weapon combinations above all others. Not sure there should be a general tab at all, actually, but do see where point spread could be considered a problem if the player wishes to use different weapon combinations because I've felt the dilemma, I'd guess you call it, myself in testing. You can specialize in stun batons instead of machetes and other blades, but to do that you're going to have dilute your points. It takes longer to level combinations from different attributes, but you're not forced to use those preset combinations. You're just heavily incentivized to use them.
