Add, remove and add back in again. Do they even know what they are doing?

yisssnakk said:
I've never understood the levels of whining that crop up here, about nearly every single thing TFP do with this game. Performance was the huge issue not too long ago...funny that we don't hear anywhere near the level of complaining about that anymore...now its on to everyone's favorite pet peeve from previous versions. I liked the OG Cowboy and football player, cheerleader, farmer and co but didn't have a cow when they were removed (although the old west town without some cowboys feels weird). No body seemed to complain about the Demolishers being "lore breaking" but the plague spitters and white claws are? There was a bigfoot in one of the newer Far Cry games....not sure how this is much different. Jars removed? It was, well, jarring, at first but how often, after the first week, does ANYONE go, "Hey! I really could use a few more jars..."?

So how about - with the reintroduction of jars - if you are carrying any drink stuffs on you, every time you get hit, there's a percent chance to break them? If they break, you get a percentage of wetness? Minimum, you are out the drinks you were carrying.

I also, personally liked the Storms (but use the Woodle/Spartan mod for different effects) but think there should be mitigating gear that can be worn to protect from the effects (poncho/rain gear/gortex in the forest, smoke mask/rebreather/bunker gear in the burnt forests, cold weather gear and shades for snow, maybe even heated socks and gloves, heat dissipating gear and hydration for deserts, and the full rad suit and iodine tabs for wastelands? Love the idea of seeing them rolling in too.
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Easy to explain honestly. Look at the following quoted comment.

theFlu said:
I can't remember the wording, but the feeling I got, was it was a bit through gritted teeth. But it's a game dev lead, not a PR hippie or a toxic positivity streamer; being a little moody about the situation is absolutely fine. It's not like he was hurling insults, just phrased a crappy situation a little poorly.
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Alot of people, be they haters or fans or somewhere in between operate like this. "A feeling I got" is valued more than all objective data that is present.

And look how the comment flows. "a feeling I got" becomes "being a little moody is fine" become "just phrased it a little poorly". So we went from "I dunno, I just feel like it was bad" to "they phrased it a little poorly" within a single comment. One is speculation, the other is a definitive statement.

And people who are actual haters will continue that downard spiral. Every new thing is interpreted like this. What the person meant, the reason something was patched, the good/bad impacts of a game change, etc all just FIRST become something subjective that they FEEL is a certain way. And then get translated into a definitive negative fact from there.

End of the day, alot of people end up seeing what they want to see. All reailty gets put through their mental filter which bends and twists it and some people's mental filters are extremely strong. Prolly the biggest way to prove this is to get an idea of what other games they play and like, then apply their same criticisms to those games in a fair way, and then watch them tie themselves in pretzels trying to explain how its different lol.

Sadly, you cannot reason someone out of a conclusion they did not reason themselves into. Feels cannot be fought very effectively with facts and data.
 
Ralathar44 said:
So we went from "I dunno, I just feel like it was bad" to "they phrased it a little poorly" within a single comment.
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I .. while I agree with your general take, people see what they're primed for; I don't see a progression in the comment. "Thru gritted teeth", somewhat angrily, not happy about the situation... not "bad". I didn't feel it "was bad", I felt it was a slightly frustrated, straight-up guy, speaking his mind on a live, phrasing a thing in a way that "some people" will read more into. The whole comment was a single description, of how that specific couple second soundbite unfolded for me on first watch. We see a lot at once, takes a lot of words to describe a short bit :)
 
theFlu said:
I .. while I agree with your general take, people see what they're primed for; I don't see a progression in the comment. "Thru gritted teeth", somewhat angrily, not happy about the situation... not "bad". I didn't feel it "was bad", I felt it was a slightly frustrated, straight-up guy, speaking his mind on a live, phrasing a thing in a way that "some people" will read more into. The whole comment was a single description, of how that specific couple second soundbite unfolded for me on first watch. We see a lot at once, takes a lot of words to describe a short bit :)
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You typed that through gritted teeth...er... clenched fingers!!!
 
theFlu said:
I .. while I agree with your general take, people see what they're primed for; I don't see a progression in the comment. "Thru gritted teeth", somewhat angrily, not happy about the situation... not "bad". I didn't feel it "was bad", I felt it was a slightly frustrated, straight-up guy, speaking his mind on a live, phrasing a thing in a way that "some people" will read more into. The whole comment was a single description, of how that specific couple second soundbite unfolded for me on first watch. We see a lot at once, takes a lot of words to describe a short bit :)
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While I agree with your general interpretation, It feels like your comment was a bit defensive. Looking at your phrasing you seem like you're projecting in a way some people will read more into. My whole reply was a single observation of how that specific 10 second read unfolded for me on first perusal. We read alot from only a little text and it always takes more to describe those layers than the short bit being read.


See what I did there? This can be done to basically any comment. I'm not trying to shame you for it or neg you or anything, but I'm hoping that this makes you more aware of how those trains of thought work/happen and how easily the exact same process can result in entirely different perspectives. All based primarily on feeling instead of anything substantive.

And ofc you're not going to see the progression. By your own comment, you see what you're primed for. That's how you think, as per your own expression. You put yourself in that box with your own expressed belief/comment. You were primed to not see progression because for you that is the destination you've already reached. You don't need to undergo that journey again. You already traveled that road when you made up your original impression.
 
Ralathar44 said:
This can be done to basically any comment.
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"This"? What? Random mad libbing? Sure. Can be done; but if you replace words, you risk losing logic, though. You did, here. I was merely re-explaining to you my original impression, as your comment made it seem I considered madmole's comment Bad to begin with. I didn't, and no amount of logic, or mad libbing is going to change that. I still don't.
 
theFlu said:
"This"? What? Random mad libbing? Sure. Can be done; but if you replace words, you risk losing logic, though. You did, here. I was merely re-explaining to you my original impression, as your comment made it seem I considered madmole's comment Bad to begin with. I didn't, and no amount of logic, or mad libbing is going to change that. I still don't.
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And I was explaining how someone with a different opinion could use the exact same argumentation in the opposite direction. Nothing more, nothing less. I never commented on bad or good either.

It was a meta level comment about phrasing and argumentation. Not about the end opinion, whatever it may be. The ultimate whether it was "bad" or "good" was never relevant to what I was saying. Which is ironically part of the point...the same argumentation could be used many ways equally well because its not based off of anything substantive but instead how someone feels.
 
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Jost Amman said:
@theFlu I think you've found your Nemesis... eh, eh... :sneaky:
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Nah, no interest in dueling or a battle of implications or anything. Since the comment wasn't understood I'll just write it off as me not communicating the concept well enough, Fault is mine, and leave it be. No cheap shots, no implications, no further churn. There is nothing of value to be gained from such a back and forth.
 
Ralathar44 said:
Nah, no interest in dueling or a battle of implications or anything. Since the comment wasn't understood I'll just write it off as me not communicating the concept well enough, Fault is mine, and leave it be. No cheap shots, no implications, no further churn. There is nothing of value to be gained from such a back and forth.
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You misunderstood... I was just pocking some fun at the two of you, that's all. ;)
You're both quite verbose in your replies and both sound like attorneys at law lol, so you're kind of two sides of the same coin to me. 😁
 
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