Well, the jars do get a comeback it seems.

LittleNightma said:
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You have to speak up, brother, can't make sense of you... you cute thou.
 
Jeraal said:
Wonder if they will realize that, for many of us, jars were one of many straws on that poor camels back. "Bring back jars!" was more of a rally cry if you will.
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You mean the complaints about the removal of jars weren’t really being made in good faith by some and instead were simply latched on to because it seemed an effective message? It will be sad if the people complaining about the removal of jars aren’t happy but I guess that is the consequence of people not being honest about their motivations to themselves and others.

If the return of jars won’t make the critics happy why should TFP ever consider their feedback or input? TFP would be better of ignoring that part of the community. You can’t act on feedback that isn’t honestly provided because it serves no purpose. It won’t make the critics happy and is unlikely to please anyone else in the long run.
 
Kosmic Kerman said:
You mean the complaints about the removal of jars weren’t really being made in good faith by some and instead were simply latched on to because it seemed an effective message? It will be sad if the people complaining about the removal of jars aren’t happy but I guess that is the consequence of people not being honest about their motivations to themselves and others.

If the return of jars won’t make the critics happy why should TFP ever consider their feedback or input? TFP would be better of ignoring that part of the community. You can’t act on feedback that isn’t honestly provided because it serves no purpose. It won’t make the critics happy and is unlikely to please anyone else in the long run.
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I don't think it was ever about Jars. The "Jars Movement" began because some players could not accept the fact that you suddenly were unable to collect water from rivers and lakes.

If that doesn't come back, jars by themselves are pointless.
 
Kosmic Kerman said:
You mean the complaints about the removal of jars weren’t really being made in good faith by some and instead were simply latched on to because it seemed an effective message?
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Not exactly directed at you, but this thread and topic has ended up being the weirdest gaslighting of strawmen I've seen outside of politics lately...
We're honestly about to be discussing "optimizing methods for identifying bad faith glass jar arguments for a video game" here. Could there be a less useful use for anyone's time? :D
 
According to Roland they plan on locking them behind the crucible. Now we just need to get rid of the dew collector and get some actual water survival.

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So... We already know the fight between the community and the developers related to the Empty Glass Jar. I'm playing with my 2 friends, and I made a modlet to balance (in my point of view) the Empty Glass Jar. First: I brought back the Empty Glass Jar to the game, after drinking jars you get...
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pApA^LeGBa said:
According to Roland they plan on locking them behind the crucible. Now we just need to get rid of the dew collector and get some actual water survival.

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What do YOU Think About This Balance? (Empty Glass Jar) :: 7 Days to Die General Discussions

So... We already know the fight between the community and the developers related to the Empty Glass Jar. I'm playing with my 2 friends, and I made a modlet to balance (in my point of view) the Empty Glass Jar. First: I brought back the Empty Glass Jar to the game, after drinking jars you get...
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If they do that, water survival will become looting simulator even more.
Unless you got other options as to where you get stuff to drink, people will have to grind drinks either by looting, or by abusing the treader.
 
Jost Amman said:
If they do that, water survival will become looting simulator even more.
Unless you got other options as to where you get stuff to drink, people will have to grind drinks either by looting, or by abusing the treader.
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Assuming drinking doesn't destroy jars; grabbing half a stack of flowers to throw at rekt would net you a good few jars from the vendo atm. I'd be kinda fine with that, even for a "bushman" game (minimal looting). You don't need more than a day's worth anyway at a time, campfires are free and pot just costs an inv slot.
 
theFlu said:
Not exactly directed at you, but this thread and topic has ended up being the weirdest gaslighting of strawmen I've seen outside of politics lately...
We're honestly about to be discussing "optimizing methods for identifying bad faith glass jar arguments for a video game" here. Could there be a less useful use for anyone's time? :D
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Discussing the motivation of the protesters seems quite central to the topic. It determines whether specific implementations will satisfy some of the protesters or not.

One thing I don't have much doubt about is that filling the glasses from water sources will come back. Because otherwise there would be no practical use for empty glass jars that I can see. At least I can't imagine TFP making them a resource to put into dew collectors to be filled. That would make dew collectors really painful to use and I can't believe they would go this way as it would diminish the use and popularity of a controversial item further.

And I also can't believe they would change toilets or sinks to suddenly be ways to fill empty jars. Because it would mean the same work as enabling lakes to change containers that already give jars of murky water to be a source for water. And then would make it even stranger that you can't fill the jars at lakes but still would allow mass production of water.

Adding empty jars to recipes like the dew collector would also be idiotic as it would be obvious that it would not fulfill any wishes the community has expressed as far as I can see. It would look more like a joke that would incite those players even more.

And if not that there is simply no choice how the empty jars have a sensible use. So they must be able to be filled from lakes.
 
meganoth said:
Discussing the motivation of the protesters seems quite central to the topic. It determines whether specific implementations will satisfy some of the protesters or not.
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At face value, yes; absolutely. But for this topic (not necessarily thread) there's a whole lot of useless "they're just lazy and weak" -type of discussion about anonymous blobs of random posters that may or may not have made a claim that is being discussed. THAT is rather pointless, IMO; can't refute or agree to a claim that hasn't been made. Nothing bannable of course, just weird :P

For TFP to figure out what they're changing, and why, is of course important.

And I do agree with your analysis. They'll make jars reasonable. Then again, not that many months ago, they were of the opinion that badges are reasonable enough. I don't know what they'll do. And I can't predict it, because their actions give me reason to believe we operate under quite different axioms...

I'm not here to sow discontent, nor to celebrate. I'm here to point out that .. we don't know. Once I get my slimy hands on the implementation, I might start doing one or the other ... :)
 
Riamus said:
That's an interesting observation. With how many people were complaining about them, now that they are going to return, there's silence. Where are all the people jumping for joy over it? There are some who are saying they are happy here, but not a lot. And even many of those who do don't seem to be very excited about it. It makes you wonder how many really cared about them versus how many just wanted an easy thing to complain about.
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The reason there is little reaction for it is because this is only a small part of the overall ■■■■ up that they now decided to address. But they do things in a lazy way usually with no actual improvement to the gameplay. So this is just damage control without any further thought or water survival improvement.
 
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