Some member or the entire tfp team are in a tunnel ?

ilexev

ilexev

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Im asking this question to myself because i see a lot, a very big lot of idea, a lot of good Idea for the game, the right thing to do, and after i read a lot of constructive critique (négative and positive), im asking to myself this question.
So, what do u think about this? The mental situations of tfp team or some member? Or maybe the (co?)director of 7d devs Game? Ty for Reading me and what do u think about that? All answer will be read and accepted and debated if u want, share ur idea and what do u think about this question.
 
Your post makes little sense and seems to be just an attack on the devs. If you want to make constructive feedback, then do so. There's no value in posting stuff like this. Just because you think the game should be made exactly how you want it to be made doesn't mean your opinion is more valid than anyone else's. Pick any topic whatsoever and you will find players who disagree with you. TFP will never make everyone happy. That's okay. What they shouldn't do is to try to make everyone happy. Devs who do that end up ruining the game and making pretty much no one happy.
 
Riamus said:
Ton message n'a aucun sens et semble n'être qu'une attaque contre les développeurs. Si tu veux faire des commentaires constructifs, fais-le. Publier ce genre de choses n'a aucun intérêt. Ce n'est pas parce que tu penses que le jeu devrait être fait exactement comme tu le souhaites que ton opinion est plus valable que celle des autres. Quel que soit le sujet, tu trouveras des joueurs qui ne seront pas d'accord avec toi. TFP ne fera jamais plaisir à tout le monde. Ce n'est pas grave. Ce qu'ils ne devraient pas faire, c'est essayer de plaire à tout le monde. Les développeurs qui font ça finissent par ruiner le jeu et ne font plaisir à personne.
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Its m'y point, i dont want they make the game like i want, i juste want to say, the point is, what the good balance for making a good game, and lisen the good Idea of the community ? The devs are in a tunnel? How to see that and go outside of the tunnel if its the case, a lot, a very big lot of studio break their game because of this
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Fritzl said:
I think you have a "mental situation" asking a question like that.
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Are u making fun of me ? Whats your point? What do you mean? Be correct plz, or leave.
 
ilexev said:
Its m'y point, i dont want they make the game like i want, i juste want to say, the point is, what the good balance for making a good game, and lisen the good Idea of the community ? The devs are in a tunnel? How to see that and go outside of the tunnel if its the case, a lot, a very big lot of studio break their game because of this
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Are u making fun of me ? Whats your point? What do you mean? Be correct plz, or leave.
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No fun. I think you have a "metal situation" asking questions like that.
 
@Riamus If I understand @ilexev correctly, I believe he is just asking why don't TFP engage with people about their pimp dreams. I don't think he was trying to be negative. (and there is a language difference).
Since I have made the same suggestion myself...I know the answer is "they do not need or want your help...they do not need to discuss anything...there is zero need for them to communicate". but, that's just from the forum users and mods. lol
Sorry ilexev if I got any part wrong.
 
ilexev said:
Do you have problem with me ?
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No disrespect, but your writing is so confusing that people will respond to it completely randomly. "In a tunnel" doesn't really mean anything in this context. There might be a point there, but I can't tell if it's just "TFP doesn't listen" or something more elaborate. If that's it, I don't really have anything to add; they listen, but we don't like how they react, or some such.. :P
 
ilexev said:
Its m'y point, i dont want they make the game like i want, i juste want to say, the point is, what the good balance for making a good game, and lisen the good Idea of the community ? The devs are in a tunnel? How to see that and go outside of the tunnel if its the case, a lot, a very big lot of studio break their game because of this
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It is a bit unclear exactly what you mean and maybe that causes confusion and misunderstanding of your intent in this thread. By saying they are in a tunnel, it sounds like you are saying they don't know what they are doing. Maybe that's not what you intend. I know there is a language barrier, and I do appreciate that you're using English now instead of posting everything in your language. I would just suggest being understanding if people do misunderstand what you mean as we aren't intentionally trying to misunderstand you.

The short answer is that they have made a good game and the number of active players shows that to be true, regardless if some people would prefer the game to be something else. Whether or not someone likes a game doesn't indicate whether the game is good or bad. It just indicates whether that person likes the game. This game has a strong following and a lot of active players who have played a LOT of hours, so it is clearly not a badly designed game. They also have clearly listened to the community, which is why there are so many changes being made after 2.0. Whether or not everyone likes all of those changes doesn't change that they listened and are making changes based on the feedback.
 
7dtd is in content lock for the most part.
Any "great" ideas that come will most likely be considered for a potential sequel of the game.
But they first want to finish this one.
Also, keep in mind that what some could consider a good idea, might not be so for others.
 
Jugom said:
7dtd est en grande partie verrouillé en termes de contenu.
Toutes les « bonnes » idées qui viendront seront très probablement prises en compte pour une éventuelle suite du jeu.
Mais ils veulent d’abord terminer celui-ci.
Gardez également à l’esprit que ce que certains pourraient considérer comme une bonne idée pourrait ne pas l’être pour d’autres.
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I dont understand, u think they work like that ? I see a lot of constructive critic and général constructive critic and i think some people are maybe right, maybe the studio lost a part of something they love in the past, After all, their dream was apparently achieved? Maybe a part of something is missing? Ambition ? Bigger dream? Idk.
 
Riamus said:
It is a bit unclear exactly what you mean and maybe that causes confusion and misunderstanding of your intent in this thread. By saying they are in a tunnel, it sounds like you are saying they don't know what they are doing. Maybe that's not what you intend. I know there is a language barrier, and I do appreciate that you're using English now instead of posting everything in your language. I would just suggest being understanding if people do misunderstand what you mean as we aren't intentionally trying to misunderstand you.

The short answer is that they have made a good game and the number of active players shows that to be true, regardless if some people would prefer the game to be something else. Whether or not someone likes a game doesn't indicate whether the game is good or bad. It just indicates whether that person likes the game. This game has a strong following and a lot of active players who have played a LOT of hours, so it is clearly not a badly designed game. They also have clearly listened to the community, which is why there are so many changes being made after 2.0. Whether or not everyone likes all of those changes doesn't change that they listened and are making changes based on the feedback.
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Maybe by "in a tunnel" he means the devs have tunnel vision or something? 🤔 🤷‍♂️
 
ilexev said:
I dont understand, u think they work like that ? I see a lot of constructive critic and général constructive critic and i think some people are maybe right, maybe the studio lost a part of something they love in the past, After all, their dream was apparently achieved? Maybe a part of something is missing? Ambition ? Bigger dream? Idk.
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First of all there is no "community" of like-minded players. There are players who want this to be more of a survival game. There are players who want this to be a more realistic game. There are players who want this to be a shooter. There are players who want more horror. There are players who want more humour. There are players who like the game as it is. There are players who like what it was at some previous alpha. There are players who like to see new stuff every year. There are players who hate changes or want the game finished as soon as possible

And all those players have ideas. Some of those ideas are simply too large to implement at this time. Some are small but not in line with what TFP wants. There are ideas that TFP would want themselves if they had the time for it but they don't, so they have to choose which ones to implement and which to ignore. Most ideas are only good for some players, not for others.

Even though some ideas are objectively good: The developers already said a long time ago, they have no scarcity of good ideas, they have a loooong lists of good ideas, they just don't have enough time for them. And time is running out. This game is still in development but on the last leg of it. And they committed to a list of features they still want to implement, beside that there is only time for adjustments, not any big ideas that need massive development effort.

So there is no actual objective "right thing to do". There are compromises and plans they want to follow and a community of players who want a huge amount of features or changes that are impossible to give all in one game.

If you want to know why some specific idea is not implemented yet you would have to ask about that specific idea. Maybe a developer actually answers, maybe he already answered a long time ago and doesn't want to repeat himself. Then someone from the community might be able to answer you.
We are hundreds against any one developer, they can't explain themselves again and again and still have time to work on the game.
 
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meganoth said:
Even though some ideas are objectively good: The developers already said a long time ago, they have no scarcity of good ideas, they have a loooong lists of good ideas, they just don't have enough time for them. And time is running out. This game is still in development but on the last leg of it. And they committed to a list of features they still want to implement, beside that there is only time for adjustments, not any big ideas that need massive development effort.

So there is no actual objective "right thing to do". There are compromises and plans they want to follow and a community of players who want a huge amount of features or changes that are impossible to give all in one game.

If you want to know why some specific idea is not implemented yet you would have to ask about that specific idea. Maybe a developer actually answers, maybe he already answered a long time ago and doesn't want to repeat himself. Then someone from the community might be able to answer you.
We are hundreds against any one developer, they can't explain themselves again and again and still have time to work on the game.
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then why still have a Pimp Dream's section? why not close it?
 
HammerDano said:
then why still have a Pimp Dream's section? why not close it?
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While I don't **know** the answer, I would guess that
A) Ideas may still be useful, either because they are small and easy to implement, because they give them indications of problem areas or because they could be used in a DLC/extension/7DaystoDie 2. This includes past posts which may be useful to search through in some cases. And those ideas could also induce a modder to make a mod about it.
B) removing it would still mean players post their ideas, just elsewhere
C) As long as a topic is about 7days2die, it should have a place here
 
theFlu said:
Cuz people will post their ideas anyway.
1) [Optimistic] Some of those might be great and popular, so it's good to hear people out.
2) [Cynical] So it's great to have a place where they can be conveniently buried.
3) [Flirt] How You's doing?
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1. kinda my point. people post their ideas all over the forums regardless
2. point taken on the longer screed type "suggestions". lol
3. you nut. lol
4. if the ideas are pointless...they are pointless. No sense in letting or making people feel like they are being disregarded or that their imput is more annoying or insulting, than useful. Just cut off the debate about new stuff making it into the game. just my opinion.
 
meganoth said:
While I don't **know** the answer, I would guess that
A) Ideas may still be useful, either because they are small and easy to implement, because they give them indications of problem areas or because they could be used in a DLC/extension/7DaystoDie 2. This includes past posts which may be useful to search through in some cases. And those ideas could also induce a modder to make a mod about it.
B) removing it would still mean players post their ideas, just elsewhere
C) As long as a topic is about 7days2die, it should have a place here
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thanks, I hope you understand I meant no disrespect. It just seems like people get treated as annoying in this section. and some of the screeds really are. but, mostly I see people who want good things for tfp and the game.
if there is no real need or want for them...no interest in even paying lip service to the idea, why have this section? it's false hope.
Yeah, they may get a few ideas...and not acknowledge the person who gave it. gross imo.
yeah some modders might get ideas....isn't there already a modding section? that people make requests in?
same as "people will just post it elsewhere" they already do. lol. frigging everywhere.

I don't know....maybe, the message, about what state TFP and the game they plan, needs to be made clearer to the community?
keeping in mind...that will be hard after 2.0 rolled out the way it did. People seem to need or want a little reassurance...and they are not getting it.
Yes, TFP did a "Town Hall"...Yes, changes based on the "town hall" are coming. This is the part where I point out to @Roland, that until THOSE changes are implemented. I don't think his 2.0 arguments hold any water. 2.3 IS different from 2.0 for sure...but until those changes are implemented...2.0 has not been completed. no matter how he tries to spin it....again...imo.
 
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