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murky water
Refugee
be careful with that. the coffee was nearly 90c and she had extensive scald burns requiring multiple skin-graft surgeries repair her legs as well as two years of physical rehabilitation to be able to walk again and she didnt actually ask for more than the cost of her medical bills. the jury decided that mcdonalds had been so egregiously neglectful and dangerous that an example had to be made of them.
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Adam the Waster
Hunter
"No refunds, deals done, now beat it ■■■■er"
"OH you want a guarantee huh? Well maybe you should try shamway
"OH you want a guarantee huh? Well maybe you should try shamway
murky water
Refugee
good! thankyou for linking to that. it was so awful when it happened i =still= think about it to this day. wretched stuff
Why so cold? Freshly boiled water is 100 degrees Celsius. What did they do to my coffee that it got so cold?
murky water
Refugee
well the fires of hell were dialed down a bit that day. don't worry though, mcdonalds ramped it back up shortly after melting that old lady
EvilPolygons
Survivor
Yeah, the case received a lot of mockery with its media coverage, but when you read the details of the case it's pretty horrific. It wasn't just her legs that received 2nd and 3rd degree burns.
4sheetzngeegles
Hunter
Wow, I must be a bit cold hearted in my point of view.
A lady ordered Coffee, not Iced Coffee like in Starbucks.
If the lady ordered coffee, and was that age, my logic follows that
she has had coffee before, at least once. So the learned thought is coffee is hot.
Unless, a mental state changed, and she forgot that coffee is hot, then learned expectation
would be that this McDonalds coffee and not Starbucks Iced foamy Frappacino, it's probably hot too,
and should be handled with care.
The person that served it too her, were they wearing like oven mits? If not why didn't they get burned
and drop the coffee on the way to give it too her. Unless she was the first customer of the day they had
to handle coffee a lot. Maybe they had caluses I don't know.
The last part is the reaction, I drink something that is too hot, I spit it out. I pick up something that
is too hot my first reaction is to get it away from me not pull it toward me. So why didn't the server get
scalded instead when she threw the coffee in their face. The counter is only like two feet wide.
It reminds me of a lawsuit I read when I was young. A family wasn't at home, a man broke in to rob the place,
the lights were off, he fell over a table and broke his leg, sued the family and won. Criminal Justice at it's
finest.
Apples and oranges I guess.
A lady ordered Coffee, not Iced Coffee like in Starbucks.
If the lady ordered coffee, and was that age, my logic follows that
she has had coffee before, at least once. So the learned thought is coffee is hot.
Unless, a mental state changed, and she forgot that coffee is hot, then learned expectation
would be that this McDonalds coffee and not Starbucks Iced foamy Frappacino, it's probably hot too,
and should be handled with care.
The person that served it too her, were they wearing like oven mits? If not why didn't they get burned
and drop the coffee on the way to give it too her. Unless she was the first customer of the day they had
to handle coffee a lot. Maybe they had caluses I don't know.
The last part is the reaction, I drink something that is too hot, I spit it out. I pick up something that
is too hot my first reaction is to get it away from me not pull it toward me. So why didn't the server get
scalded instead when she threw the coffee in their face. The counter is only like two feet wide.
It reminds me of a lawsuit I read when I was young. A family wasn't at home, a man broke in to rob the place,
the lights were off, he fell over a table and broke his leg, sued the family and won. Criminal Justice at it's
finest.
Apples and oranges I guess.
theFlu
Hunter
It was an accident; she grabbed the mug between her thighs to remove the lid (to add some milk or some such). Now, taking out the lid will make a paper cup structurally much weaker, and the whole cup will easily collapse when squeezed between legs. That'll push out the entire contents at once.
Imo, 100% her own fault; traumatic as it might be. McD's should've prolly paid for the medical just for rep reasons, but if you buy liquids and pour them on yourself.. that's on you.
4sheetzngeegles
Hunter
Maybe,,,that was the precedent for the drinking and driving law.
Wow, I read through the whole thing, it has definitely changed my felling a bit.
The driver is the culprit. And there is no way in "" fill in the blank, I would ever think of putting
something that is in a wax paper cup between my legs, if the liquid was that hot the cup was that
hot. It's not like they are made from space shuttle heat shields, or ceramic.
Wow, I read through the whole thing, it has definitely changed my felling a bit.
The driver is the culprit. And there is no way in "" fill in the blank, I would ever think of putting
something that is in a wax paper cup between my legs, if the liquid was that hot the cup was that
hot. It's not like they are made from space shuttle heat shields, or ceramic.
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EvilPolygons
Survivor
It wasn't just hot. It was dangerously hot. Hot enough to cause 2nd and 3rd degree burns. It wasn't safe to drink, either. Companies are required to make sure their products are actually safe to consume. McDonald's lost the lawsuit because their product wasn't just hot -- it was hot enough to literally melt living tissue on contact.
4sheetzngeegles
Hunter
Ok So now do they have employees sip it first to test? If it was that hot then the cup was only about
2 degrees less. that's a hint and a half.
2 degrees less. that's a hint and a half.
theFlu
Hunter
Cardboard is a pretty decent insulator; I've certainly burned my tongue without really thinking much of the cup in my hand. Toss the whole thing and it'll hurt for sure.
EvilPolygons
Survivor
That's a weird question.
But the answer is no -- they make sure that their coffee machines are regulated properly so that they don't brew coffee hot enough to melt someone's face off. Presumably because they don't want to lose future lawsuits.
By the way, styrofoam cups are excellent insulators. If you believe that a styrofaom cup would only be 2 degrees cooler than the coffee in it, then you have never had coffee (or any other hot drink) out of a styrofoam cup. Like, I don't even know what else to say about that.
theFlu
Hunter
Since we're entirely in the weeds by now, I'll take us deeper... That.. depends entirely on what is outside of the cup. Your hand will take away the tiny amount of surface heat that is required to cool down the cup, making it feel "not hot". But if there's a vacuum around it, and a little time has passed, the surface temperature of the styrofoam will be nearly the same as the contents. Standard atmosphere is closer to a vacuum than it is to a hand, so I can't really predict what the actual temp would be when left alone in NTP.
It still doesn't contain much heat energy, but the temp is the same
EvilPolygons
Survivor
Since we're entirely in the weeds by now, I'll take us deeper... That.. depends entirely on what is outside of the cup. Your hand will take away the tiny amount of surface heat that is required to cool down the cup, making it feel "not hot". But if there's a vacuum around it, and a little time has passed, the surface temperature of the styrofoam will be nearly the same as the contents. Standard atmosphere is closer to a vacuum than it is to a hand, so I can't really predict what the actual temp would be when left alone in NTP.
It still doesn't contain much heat energy, but the temp is the same
That case happened way back in the early 90's. I can't remember if those styrofoam cups came with little cardboard "koozies" around them or not back then. Regardless, in the time it takes to fill a cup and then pass it through the drive-thru window into the customer's hand, styrofoam will only be warm to the touch, certainly not anywhere close -- not even remotely close -- to 190F degrees.
murky water
Refugee
mcdonalds kept the coffee about 20c hotter than any other business that sold coffee at the time and much hotter than coffee is kept at now. it never EVER needed to be kept just shy of boiling at all times. also i've worked food-service in the us in the 00's, you hold the cup around the lip to keep from cooking your fingers while you put it in the sleeve or hand it to the customer and it is STILL too hot even at the lower lower temp than that lady had to deal with. you are indeed being pretty cold-hearted though trying to renegotiate how a business that kept it's coffee at a temperature that was so high it permanently destroyed skin, fat and muscle isn't to blame for having permanently scared and disabled several hundred people before one person got so damaged that it made them incapable of walking
but that does bring it back around to the original complaint i think; the op is complaining that they were harmed by funpimps and wanted to take legal action which. on the face, sounds like the coffee lady but when thought for a moment really is not comparible since it is the difference between percieved harm that cannot be replicated and so hasn't been given consideration and actually proven harm that was ignored until it esculated
murky water
Refugee
ooof, i read up on that since it has been so long(i was a teenager so it has been a while XD) yeah that was a LOT worse than i remembered and i saw a photo of the damageYeah, the case received a lot of mockery with its media coverage, but when you read the details of the case it's pretty horrific. It wasn't just her legs that received 2nd and 3rd degree burns.
i am not going to post the pictures here directly since the damage is fairly grusome but if anyone wants to see the photos they have been archived(i had only seen the third one x__x you are right, it is much worse).
MacDonald's Coffee Lawsuit Burn Pictures Facts Behind The Controversies MacDonald's Lawsuits
The legal investigations surrounding McDonald’s hot coffee have captured national attention, with many people misinterpreting the facts surrounding these
allaboutlawyer.com
Crater Creator
Community Moderator
This thread isn’t for re-litigating the McDonald’s hot coffee case. Let’s limit comments here to the OP’s topic please, which is about a controls option for look inversion.
EvilPolygons
Survivor
Fair enough. The OP wants to sue TFP because they took away horizontal inversion, which is a feature that apparently never existed in the first place.
Nope. Still doesn't make sense.