Satellites, Yetis, and Lore

Grandpa Minion

Grandpa Minion

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what happend to the satellite and virus s we was supposed to get in 2.0? instead we got a yeti that has no lore in the game and biom progression
 

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What makes you think the satellite isn't in 2.0? It's just a wilderness decoration randomly placed in the map that you may come across or may never see depending on how far you travel and how good your eyesight is. It's not exactly critical content to be sure but it is out there somewhere. It definitely isn't a this-instead-of-that item for the Yeti. Environmental art devs are not the same people on the team who modeled and rigged and gave the AI tasks to the Yeti. Nobody who worked on the Yeti did that instead of the crashed satellite. And the biome progression coding wasn't done by the environmental artists either.

And before you bring it up the satelite wasn't worked on by the dev who left or the dev who died either.....

I'm not sure what you mean by Virus-S but if that has to do with the lore, you should know that the story isn't implemented yet so there isn't a lot of official lore anyway. That goes for the Yeti as well. How do you know it doesn't fit into the lore? When they add the story there are so many ways to work the Yeti creature in. So lore isn't finalized and it is too soon to claim that this aspect or that aspect doesn't fit the supposed lore. After 4.0 everything in the game will fit the lore.
 
Roland said:
What makes you think the satellite isn't in 2.0? It's just a wilderness decoration randomly placed in the map that you may come across or may never see depending on how far you travel and how good your eyesight is. It's not exactly critical content to be sure but it is out there somewhere. It definitely isn't a this-instead-of-that item for the Yeti. Environmental art devs are not the same people on the team who modeled and rigged and gave the AI tasks to the Yeti. Nobody who worked on the Yeti did that instead of the crashed satellite. And the biome progression coding wasn't done by the environmental artists either.

And before you bring it up the satelite wasn't worked on by the dev who left or the dev who died either.....

I'm not sure what you mean by Virus-S but if that has to do with the lore, you should know that the story isn't implemented yet so there isn't a lot of official lore anyway. That goes for the Yeti as well. How do you know it doesn't fit into the lore? When they add the story there are so many ways to work the Yeti creature in. So lore isn't finalized and it is too soon to claim that this aspect or that aspect doesn't fit the supposed lore. After 4.0 everything in the game will fit the lore.
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can you please give me one valid reason how a yeti fits into 7d2d apocalypse? adding Bigfoot i could have easily understood that, but a yeti come on.
 
BFT2020 said:
Simple, it is the 7D2D universe. So it is up to the storytellers (TFP) on what fits and doesn't fit in their universe.
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Does this imply that the storytellers do not heed the opinions of those who actively engage with the game? I find it quite difficult to accept that the storytellers would disregard their community.
 
The story takes place on tribal lands. It could be a Native American who went out into the snow and suffered a mutation via the virus and radiation and then was captured, experimented upon, and cloned by the Red Mesa scientists. We are calling it a "yeti" to help our conversations about it but that is just a simplistic name. It doesn't mean it is an actual yeti or has anything to do with yeti folklore of our world. It is a mutated special infected being along the same lines as the spider and the wight and pustule mutation. The person it once was before the mutation may have been originally Native American due to the outfit. That's all we know but there is neither more or less lore compatibility between it and the wight and the spider and puss monster and the demolisher for that matter. Somehow it will all fit together with Dishong or Red Mesa being the glue. Calling it a "yeti" is fine but that doesn't make it what it actually is no more than calling the leaping zombie a "spider" makes it an actual spider. Just like the plague spitter isn't actually an Egyption mummy even though lots of people are referring to it as the "mummy"

Grandpa Minion said:
Does this imply that the storytellers do not heed the opinions of those who actively engage with the game? I find it quite difficult to accept that the storytellers would disregard their community.
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I know right? After I read Harry Potter 1-6 like three times I sent in my suggestions to JK Rowling for what should happen in book 7 since I was a super knowledgeable fan and she just disregarded me and
made Snape the secret hero!
It's like she thought it was her book series and she was the author or something....

Story writing by community involved committee? I hope it never comes to that. Write your own fan fic if you want but lets leave it to one hired storyteller to give us something decent.
 
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Grandpa Minion said:
can you please give me one valid reason how a yeti fits into 7d2d apocalypse? adding Bigfoot i could have easily understood that, but a yeti come on.
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What is the difference between an African Elephant and a Wooly Mammoth? Mostly where it evolved. Frost Claw evolved in the cold. Hence they Yeti. If you can justify a Bigfoot, a Yeti shouldn't be a stretch.
 
I'm still trying to figure out if this update is worth the year wait and how long its going to take to get 3.0...maybe 2 years if we are lucky?
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warmer said:
What is the difference between an African Elephant and a Wooly Mammoth? Mostly where it evolved. Frost Claw evolved in the cold. Hence they Yeti. If you can justify a Bigfoot, a Yeti shouldn't be a stretch.
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Maybe they will add bigfoot into the forest biome at some point, who knows...lol.
 
warmer said:
What is the difference between an African Elephant and a Wooly Mammoth? Mostly where it evolved. Frost Claw evolved in the cold. Hence they Yeti. If you can justify a Bigfoot, a Yeti shouldn't be a stretch.
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its about lore not evolution, a bigfoot would have fit in with the lore better than a yeti. thats all i was saying.
 
Why does it matter what people are calling them? They are all just zombies. Just because *players* call them certain things that maybe don't make sense doesn't mean that's what TFP intends for them to be. They aren't an actual yeti or mummy. And as Roland pointed out, the story is likely to show that they are just experiments that went awry. Maybe they tried ways to stop the "plague" of whatever this is that caused the zombies and their attempts caused mutations. That's quite believable.
 
Riamus said:
Why does it matter what people are calling them? They are all just zombies. Just because *players* call them certain things
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Because players "call them as they see them". That phrase may carry a connotation of aggressive disagreement, but that's not what I'm implying here. Just the actual act of naming a thing, it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and you call it a zed? Nah, it's a duck. I look at the "old lineup", compare to the new, and the results vary wildly.
- I can see the New Grace fitting Better into the theme; more akin to an old zombie bear, but zombified in a familiar way.
- I look at the plague spitter, and I see something that has developed different from the zeds and the z-animals. It looks clean, whole and dry, while every other zed is quite ... jiggly. Sure, it's a desert creature, but it doesn't "fit" the other zeds.
- I look at the frost beast, and if it didn't have the 7dtd logo on screen, I'd think I'm looking at a different game. Furry humanoid; none of the old crew had such changes. Looks kinda completely healthy, not really a zed at all. Now, if the lore rolls in and those are the ground forces of an alien invasion, fine. But .. not exactly fitting. In my eyes.

So it matters as feedback. People aren't seeing zeds. I don't know if that's a good thing, I don't think it is ;)
 
theFlu said:
Because players "call them as they see them". That phrase may carry a connotation of aggressive disagreement, but that's not what I'm implying here. Just the actual act of naming a thing, it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and you call it a zed? Nah, it's a duck. I look at the "old lineup", compare to the new, and the results vary wildly.
- I can see the New Grace fitting Better into the theme; more akin to an old zombie bear, but zombified in a familiar way.
- I look at the plague spitter, and I see something that has developed different from the zeds and the z-animals. It looks clean, whole and dry, while every other zed is quite ... jiggly. Sure, it's a desert creature, but it doesn't "fit" the other zeds.
- I look at the frost beast, and if it didn't have the 7dtd logo on screen, I'd think I'm looking at a different game. Furry humanoid; none of the old crew had such changes. Looks kinda completely healthy, not really a zed at all. Now, if the lore rolls in and those are the ground forces of an alien invasion, fine. But .. not exactly fitting. In my eyes.

So it matters as feedback. People aren't seeing zeds. I don't know if that's a good thing, I don't think it is ;)
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To me, they just fit in with the radiated zombie. A dried out husk isn't really unrealistic even without experimentation, and one that was experimented on to give more muscle, which could include additional testosterone that would increase hair growth, could potentially become the frost claw. Either way, I think they are fine in the game. Certainly better than the upcoming bandits, imo.
 
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