PC Are Screamers ruining your games?

If TFP do offer some player settings, to limit Screamers and all that they do, what would you want t


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@WarMongerian

Because of your circumstances, one of the main things causing trouble seem to be the ability to visually tell the difference,

the second is hearing them. If you are willing to make a concession, you can change one line in entitiyclasses.xml that should

help without taking away the rest of the gameplay. Before you instantly say no, thinking that it will ruin your game integrity,

hear me out.

A long time passed a person stated it was hard to see ore because of color blindness, i made changes, then TFP did it way

better, that is why the above ground ore has different shapes. Recently a person couldn't play because of ophidiophobia

debilitating fear of snakes, so I showed them how to change the snake into the dog without lowering spawn or conflict. It

kept the integrity of gameplay but allow them compensation.

For yours I would suggest adding a line in each of the screamers.

<property name="TrackerIcon" value="ui_game_symbol_run"/>    as an example

This should not conflict with quests perks or friends. I don't know how easy it is now because I have not done it in a few years,

but only when a screamer is within range will it show up on your compass, like radar. This could help balance so that at least

you know where to go or not to go. I can try to enable or you can or if you make a request in the modder section some one

may be able to help there.

 
What kind of poll is this??

I want unconfigurable screamer so option 1 is "Sure" and then im obligated to answer questions about losing them completely or how they should be "configurable". Answers required. Steering outcome much?

 
It isn't by choice, that I am limited.  My health is what causes me to be limited.  Fingers that are stiff and numb, and don't always go where I tell them, and eyes that cannot see clearly anymore, are what force me to play without ranged weapons, and it makes the game far harder.

I can try to use a bow/crossbow, but only for hunting 1v1 type situations, for combat, I have to go toe to toe.  Guys that mow down an entire corridor in a couple seconds, using guns, have no idea what taking out that entire corridor full of zombies is like, without the guns.


Wouldn't hip-firing a shotgun work for you at close range similar to a melee weapon? If you have a machete, you would be at a level where a double-barrel (at least) would be available. This would give you a smidge more range and lot more spread.

Similarly, a sledgehammer could help you a lot against groups as it can hit several zombies at the same time.

Just brainstorming ideas that could help the issue.

I also have no problem if they would add a screamer slider.

 
I start off getting the pair of green Screamers, and then, once the other ones start showing up, and they start summoning more and more...

It isn't something I can deal with in 15 seconds, like others are claiming/boasting.  Then again, perhaps they are not seeing what I am seeing.
Screamers involve a lot of RNG. Some days I have all my workstations running at full blast and not a single screamer spawns. Other days, my 4 dew collectors are enough to spawn screamers.

With the change that screamers can now spawn with 25% heat, but only a 20% chance, screamers are much more random than they used to be. Previously, you had to reach 100% heat and the screamer would spawn with a 70% chance.

I don't know if you've seen the latest video from Guns Nerds and Steel. He tried to call a screamer, but even with more than 10 campfires he didn't succeed. Then he mined iron in another chunk and it didn't even take a minute for a screamer to spawn.

 
Yeah the other 2 questions need a N/A option.

Screamers are not a problem at all.  You just need to design your base to handle them.  A simple hoard base attached to your home base and you are golden.

If you are out in the wild and screamers are attacking, then stop using guns as much.  Crotch before you break stuff, use stealth mechanics more, even if you aren't spec'd I to stealth you'll find it incredibly useful.

 
I think the limit is your limit for max alive.
I'd have to look it up but I think as a single player you can only set the size of the blood moon horde but not generally how many zombies can be alive in the game.

My current setup is a AMD Ryzen 7500X with 32 GB RAM and an Nvidia RTX 4060. The predecessor was a Core i5 7500 with 16 GB RAM and a Nvidia GTX 1060 with 6GB VRAM.

I play with 32 zombies for the Blood Moon Horde and I never had any performance problems with either the old or the new PC. Only with large screamer horde did the FPS drop below 15 FPS. They are somewhat different from Blood Moon Hordes.

 
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Biased polls are not something to be proud of. 
Except, it is you and the other two posters that are making an incorrect underlying assumption, and that is that my poll/thread, are about seeing if there is a problem, and/or how widespread the problem may be.

I know the problem exists, so I make no bones about attempting to state the obvious, nor do I make any attempt for others to try and say the problem doesn't exist.  The only thing that folks that have not experienced the problem can attest to, is that they have not themselves experienced the problem!  As such, I discount all such statements, as they contribute not a thing to the discussion at hand.

To keep things on track:

1)  The problem is the unregulated spawning of screamers into folks games, without them being given the tools to tailor those outbreaks to their own preferences/playstyles/capabilities.

2)  The thread is to look at what can be done to offset the problem, and how to best go about that process.

So, hopefully, now you see that the poll and thread have no need to step back, and try to determine IF there is a problem, nor does it need to attempt to find out how widespread the problem is, as these are established facts, not by this thread, but by all the other complaint threads about Screamers since last spring/summer.  Many folks have reached out and complained about the lack of a mechanism for tailoring these outbreaks, this has been going on for months (perhaps, you may recall, when did TFP dial back the Max Alive from 60 some odd, to 30 some odd), that is for how long TFP have been contemplating this Screamer outbreak nonsense.

Right now, no host player can select a GUI setting, and adjust their games Screamer outbreaks, the controls don't exist, despite this being a problem for quite some time.  This is inexcusable.  Game difficulty settings should be the end all, be all for how hard you game is.  On the low end (where I play at), vs the high end (where I will never reach) there should be a vast difference in the "Screamer Outbreak".  

Given how overpowered and annoying they are at the ow end, it seems clear that one of two things MUST be the case.

1)  The Screamers totally ignore the host players difficulty settings, and just go with a one size fits all mentality, or no one evenplays the higher difficulty settings, else, they would be facing much harder Screamer Outbreaks, and they would be 'screaming' bloody murder about the much harder screamers they are experiencing.

So, again, this thread/poll, isn't about IF there is a problem, but rather, What to do about it.

 
Except, it is you and the other two posters that are making an incorrect underlying assumption, and that is that my poll/thread, are about seeing if there is a problem, and/or how widespread the problem may be.

I know the problem exists, so I make no bones about attempting to state the obvious, nor do I make any attempt for others to try and say the problem doesn't exist.  The only thing that folks that have not experienced the problem can attest to, is that they have not themselves experienced the problem!  As such, I discount all such statements, as they contribute not a thing to the discussion at hand.

To keep things on track:

1)  The problem is the unregulated spawning of screamers into folks games, without them being given the tools to tailor those outbreaks to their own preferences/playstyles/capabilities.

2)  The thread is to look at what can be done to offset the problem, and how to best go about that process.

So, hopefully, now you see that the poll and thread have no need to step back, and try to determine IF there is a problem, nor does it need to attempt to find out how widespread the problem is, as these are established facts, not by this thread, but by all the other complaint threads about Screamers since last spring/summer.  Many folks have reached out and complained about the lack of a mechanism for tailoring these outbreaks, this has been going on for months (perhaps, you may recall, when did TFP dial back the Max Alive from 60 some odd, to 30 some odd), that is for how long TFP have been contemplating this Screamer outbreak nonsense.

Right now, no host player can select a GUI setting, and adjust their games Screamer outbreaks, the controls don't exist, despite this being a problem for quite some time.  This is inexcusable.  Game difficulty settings should be the end all, be all for how hard you game is.  On the low end (where I play at), vs the high end (where I will never reach) there should be a vast difference in the "Screamer Outbreak".  

Given how overpowered and annoying they are at the ow end, it seems clear that one of two things MUST be the case.

1)  The Screamers totally ignore the host players difficulty settings, and just go with a one size fits all mentality, or no one evenplays the higher difficulty settings, else, they would be facing much harder Screamer Outbreaks, and they would be 'screaming' bloody murder about the much harder screamers they are experiencing.

So, again, this thread/poll, isn't about IF there is a problem, but rather, What to do about it.
Then what on earth is the first poll question for?? Attention?

 
Then what on earth is the first poll question for?? Attention?
To identify who is not having a problem, of course.

The first question on the poll is to identify who is ok with the status quo,

The second question is for those that are having an issue.

The third question follows the logical next step, and asks for ideas on how to fix the problem.

 
To identify who is not having a problem, of course.

The first question on the poll is to identify who is ok with the status quo,

The second question is for those that are having an issue.

The third question follows the logical next step, and asks for ideas on how to fix the problem.
Do you really not get the problem with that? I have no problem with screamers as is. What should i anwer to second and third question then after answering "Sure" to question one?? Now it looks like you expect everyone to answer "Nope" to confirm the issue YOU are having. Do you even know how polls work?

 
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To identify who is not having a problem, of course.

The first question on the poll is to identify who is ok with the status quo,

The second question is for those that are having an issue.

The third question follows the logical next step, and asks for ideas on how to fix the problem.
You still needed other options for people who didn't have issues with screamers.  Simply put people who have no issues and want no changes can't take part in your poll.

The poll is squewed towards saying that 100% of the people have issues and/or want changes to the current screamer situation.

You have to at least see that issue, right?

 
It's also a forum poll, it has 7 replies, might get to 20 .. there's 30k daily players on steam atm. Whether it's "good" or not, it's not going to be representative of the player base, in any way, so... ;)

 
Do you really dont get the problem with that? I have no problem with screamers as is. What should i anwer to second and third question then after answering "Sure" to question one??
Nothing, of course!  This thread is about getting ideas/discussion about fixing the problem, not trying to debate whether some folks don't see the problem (in their or their friends games) and if that somehow defines the existence of a problem.

Think of it as this...

IF
THEN
ELSE

IF you don't see a problem === THEN   ===  END

ELSE === proceed to question 2

 
I'd have to look it up but I think as a single player you can only set the size of the blood moon horde but not generally how many zombies can be alive in the game.

My current setup is a AMD Ryzen 7500X with 32 GB RAM and an Nvidia RTX 4060. The predecessor was a Core i5 7500 with 16 GB RAM and a Nvidia GTX 1060 with 6GB VRAM.

I play with 32 zombies for the Blood Moon Horde and I never had any performance problems with either the old or the new PC. Only with large screamer horde did the FPS drop below 15 FPS. They are somewhat different from Blood Moon Hordes.
Yeah, it's not a setting in the game.  However, I think it can be modded outside the game with an XML edit.  I haven't looked into it because I'm fine with the current setting.  It would be good to have a max alive setting in game options, though.

 
Nothing, of course!  This thread is about getting ideas/discussion about fixing the problem, not trying to debate whether some folks don't see the problem (in their or their friends games) and if that somehow defines the existence of a problem.

Think of it as this...

IF
THEN
ELSE

IF you don't see a problem === THEN   ===  END

ELSE === proceed to question 2
Then i will repeat the question "what on earth is the first question for?? Attention?"

And yes, you dont know how polls work. Advise: dont use them.

And there is an option 4 missing:

"I'm making a video of me getting depressed from screamers". Want to see it?

[ ] Yes

[ ] Yes

 
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Nothing, of course!  This thread is about getting ideas/discussion about fixing the problem, not trying to debate whether some folks don't see the problem (in their or their friends games) and if that somehow defines the existence of a problem.
Here's the problem...

First, this isn't a poll that asks... "If you think there is a problem, what do you think of X, Y, or Z?"  It's a poll that starts out asking if people think there is a problem and then gives no option to continue to answer the poll if they don't think there's a problem.  Not only that, but even the first option could use an "I don't care" option for people who don't really care one way or another.  As I said in my first post in here, I support options, but don't think there's a problem with screamers.

Now, keep in mind that YOU think there's a problem.  And, to be fair, you aren't the only one.  However, there are plenty of people who do not think so and would like to vote.  Even if you offer options for people who don't want anything to change, you'll still get your answers to how things should change if they did change.  You just ignore the votes by people who like things as they are and you look at the votes for the other choices.

The fact that you prevent people from voting at all is not a good thing on a public forum.  It makes it look like you are afraid of what the results will be.  Will you end up with results showing that most people don't think there needs to be any change and thereby make you upset that people disagree?  I'm not saying you feel that way, but it's how it makes you look.

No biased poll will ever be of any real value.  They'll always be worse than no poll at all.  You are better off just having a post asking people what they think of your ideas than using a biased poll.  If you create a poll, have choices that cover the different options people might want to use for answers, even if they aren't what you want.  Let people voice their opinions instead of trying to hide them.  It's a better choice than trying to create a poll that makes it appear like a lot of people want something.  Every question in a poll should be possible to answer.  If people don't think there need to be options, they should be able to answer not just the first question, but all questions.  I support options, but I can't even answer anything but the first question because I do support the currently implemented screamers.  Because of that, I didn't answer the poll at all and just replied instead.  You force people to say they don't support the screamers as they are if they answer that second question, even if they just want to agree with adding options but like the screamers.

 
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Yeah, it's not a setting in the game.  However, I think it can be modded outside the game with an XML edit.  I haven't looked into it because I'm fine with the current setting.  It would be good to have a max alive setting in game options, though.


You can change the max spawned zombies in the windows registry. Find MaxSpawnedZombies_h1091629070 and change it. Default is 64. Khaine has a mod that adds an option to the game settings called "Max Animals/Zombies and Claim Blocks". You can find it in the Mods sub-forum. If you set it too low some larger POIs might not work.

 
Here's the problem...

First, this isn't a poll that asks... "If you think there is a problem, what do you think of X, Y, or Z?"  It's a poll that starts out asking if people think there is a problem and then gives no option to continue to answer the poll if they don't think there's a problem. 


Why in the world would there need to be further options, for folks that don't see the problem others are having, to keep telling us that they don't see the problem that others are having?  That is, pardon my saying it, just plain brain dead.  How many different ways of saying that "I don't see the problem" would our fellow forum members have to read, before you guys that are all going on about the poll, and it's alleged deficiencies, have to waste their time reading, just to what, re-affirm that you really don't see the problem?!?!  I'm sorry, but that would not contribute anything to the poll, this thread, or to the actual problem, the unregulated Screamer Outbreaks, or their apparent one-size-fits-all approach.  Game difficulty setting should make all the difference here, and from what I am seeing, that just isn't the case, and the players that are hosting their games, are NOT in control in multiplayer games.

Now, keep in mind that YOU think there's a problem.  And, to be fair, you aren't the only one.  However, there are plenty of people who do not think so and would like to vote.  Even if you offer options for people who don't want anything to change, you'll still get your answers to how things should change if they did change.  You just ignore the votes by people who like things as they are and you look at the votes for the other choices.


Which is, pardon me, exactly what I am already doing, but without the added verbosity of providing redundant, and meaningless, poll options.

On an aside, is the software of polls not letting you complete the poll if you don't vote on each part?  I cannot see this particular forum mechanic in my poll, but could someone else post  poll, so I can see for myself how this works?

The fact that you prevent people from voting at all is not a good thing on a public forum.  It makes it look like you are afraid of what the results will be.  Will you end up with results showing that most people don't think there needs to be any change and thereby make you upset that people disagree?  I'm not saying you feel that way, but it's how it makes you look.

No biased poll will ever be of any real value.  They'll always be worse than no poll at all.  You are better off just having a post asking people what they think of your ideas than using a biased poll.  If you create a poll, have choices that cover the different options people might want to use for answers, even if they aren't what you want.  Let people voice their opinions instead of trying to hide them.  It's a better choice than trying to create a poll that makes it appear like a lot of people want something.  Every question in a poll should be possible to answer.  If people don't think there need to be options, they should be able to answer not just the first question, but all questions.  I support options, but I can't even answer anything but the first question because I do support the currently implemented screamers.  Because of that, I didn't answer the poll at all and just replied instead.  You force people to say they don't support the screamers as they are if they answer that second question, even if they just want to agree with adding options but like the screamers.
Hold on, on the topic of poll filling out, are you saying, that the poll software prevents you from answering only some of the polls questions?  If that is the case, I will have to be able to see that, before I can try to find a way around that kind of glitch.  If there is such a glitch in the forums poll software, then perhaps a nested series of questions would prevent folks from feeling left out/not able to participate?

I'll ask this, if the poll software showed just a single question to all posters/viewers, but then, depending on if the Original Poster had more questions to ask, depending on responses/votes cast, other poll question would come up?

To my mind, my poll does exactly what this thread needs, it asks a question, which has but two answers.  Is there some poll software options I am unaware of, that would allow for nesting question like the three I post here?  If so, and I can set up the poll in such a way, I owe you three folks an apology, and would ask for some mentoring on how that functionality can be used, as I honestly have never seen this.

Now, enough off topic conversations about the poll, let us get back to the Screamers, and what can be done about them.

1)  Any host player should be able to control the aspects of their games, regardless of whether single or multiplayer.

2)  Difficulty setting of a game, should largely control what can be done in games.  Low difficulty = less Screamers.

3)  Any host players should be able to 'opt out' of Max Alive Screamers, and be able to set lower limits, if desired.

I'm trying to get this thread back on topic, and move forward with getting the players in more control of what happens in their hosted games.  I think the currently implemented Screamers are vastly overpowered, need to be harshly curtailed, and keep under tight control by difficulty setting.  If you want to have huge numbers of randomly spawned zombies just popping up in your game, you should have the options to make that happen, and if instead, you like 1 Horde Night a week, you should be able to tone down (or eliminate altogether) the Screamers Outbreaks, you should have the option to do so.

several other folks have put in other ideas, but to be honest, I have been far to busy defending the poll, and not enough time actually addressing the actual problem the Screamers currently are.

 
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