Water in Conan Exiles still seems to be a resource with some value and in limited supply unless you do the dew collector equivalent of building a well. (I assume here that you have to migrate eventually to progress in that game). How difficult is it to build a well in other biomes? Do you need to search for places with water under it or do you just get 20 stones and drop a well anywhere?
I don't recall it being hard once you learned the recipe.I don't recall having to search for a location where water was supported. The resources weren't likely to be something you just happened to be carrying unless you had wandered out with the intention of immediately building a well at your new location.
That sounds more like it would apply to my criteria, i.e. water as time wasting micro management for realisms sake. Can you take water with you in bottles or do you need to always go back? (In the latter case it would have a minimal function to draw you back to base)
It's been a while since I played it. (There's a story built into the game, so to me it was a great game but I don't want to play it again since I know the story.) My recollection is that it is very similar to 7D2D in that you have a Water Collector or boiled. I think they use "water skins" instead of bottles. You can find cans of soda or alcohol around the island, usually at airplane crash locations.
Would you say 7D2D has water because it desires time wasting micro management for realism sake? I don't mind returning to base in either game. I wouldn't say either The Forest or 7D2D has water consumption and scarcity that requires planning to travel outside of the early game when you need to be getting your feet under you, so to speak.
This sounds like water has or has not value depending on where you start.
[Empyrion] I would agree with that. If you start on the lush easy planet, food grows all around you and you can breath the atmosphere. You need water to make oxygen so that you can leave the planet, but that will be a mid-game thing. If you just wanted to live on that planet, you'd never need oxygen. Indeed, I've had games where I got bored and quit playing right after having just cleared the starter planet of hostile POIs and maybe only needed a couple of tanks of oxygen to get into orbit to harvest a rare mineral/metal.
If you start on a moon with no atmosphere, you'll only have your starting supplies and what you might loot from hostile POIs. If you run out of oxygen, you're dead. There will be no other way to harvest it. You better be cobbling together a small space craft from the ruins of your crashed ship to get off that rock.
Not exactly a **deep** mechanic IMO. Just a trivial klick fest where you would do all the steps until you have the best water you can produce, just more micro-management, just like the wooden sticks and sharp stones for arrow production.
[Murky Water (12% dysentery) > Purified Water (3% dysentery) > Potable Water] Well it could be made deeper. To me, that's the approach that is most consistent with what 7D2D currently offers.
To be more of a simulation you'd have to BOTH filter and purify (boil) water and that would introduce more states of water to be managed. I don't know that would help. To me, the significant change is the threat of dysentery continues on into the game longer (but at a lower chance) until you get a Chemistry Set and can finally do a complete job of making potable water.
To be deep and engaging there need to be choices somewhere.
I can agree with that. The choices, in my opinion, aren't in water production itself, but the ramifications of having to provide water for yourself, the effort involved, and the point at which you can produce Potable Water -- the exact decisions that 7D2D involves with water currently -- but with one complication. You don't solve water scarcity by questing.
An expanded comparison:
* In 7D2D, Potable Water is solved by a Campfire and a Cooking Pot.
* In what I described, Potable Water is solved by a Chemistry Station. A Campfire/Cooking Pot lets you lower the risk of dysentery, but not eliminate it.
* In 7D2D, Murky Water is found in loot, sold a traders, and sold in vending machines. Because loot is in POIs, doing quests generates value to sell and resources to use including water. Questing is an efficient use of your time.
* In what I described, Murky Water is found in lakes and rivers, vending machines are empty. Solving water scarcity is a chore that cannot be accomplished entirely by questing. The big choice is to quest or do chores. Traders would be an interesting topic about if they should be selling water of buying it. That depends on the world being created, I guess.
* In 7D2D, Traders sell Water Filters that let you make Dew Collectors and Dew Collectors produce Potable Water.
* In what I described, Dew Collector don't need a filter and produce Murky Water.
* In 7D2D, you can build a base anywhere and locate your Dew Collectors there.
* In what I described, you can still base anywhere and use Dew Collectors, but you could also choose to build near a water source and not use Dew Collectors.
Overall, with 7D2D, If we can plunk down a Dew Collector anywhere on Day 2-3, then there are no further decisions. And, if I can have 3 Dew Collectors, then I effectively have infinite water. (Assumes my play style.)
