PC Are the Devs just dumb?

[Matt115]

That doesn´t change the fact that if only forum regulars vote on polls on here that they are basically useless.

I mean one could claim that it´s the fault of the people not coming here, but it´s 2022. Like it or not, but the classic forum is a relict from another age by now.

Not rly @pApA^LeGBa :

discord is a mess -->  i have few game groups on discord and there is two types of groups : 1. this is just channel of  annoucment , for screen send by devs and few open channels just about everything even not conneted with game 2. it's not possible to make convesration in for example in suggestion category because in one moment nobody is sure who is talking about which suggestion etc. . So yeah - forum is the best option and.... offical one

another poll with the same 10-20 people like all the others polls before here on the forum... not enough info with so little participants.

But... since a very large supply of games are from steam, then there should be a steam poll to see if a wider crowd chimes in when they launch 7dtd.

Well forum is "main" of 7DTD right? So there should be not poll but just annocement - if someone rly care about this game won't have problem to create account just to take part in poll right?

 

[BFT2020]

That doesn´t change the fact that if only forum regulars vote on polls on here that they are basically useless.

I mean one could claim that it´s the fault of the people not coming here, but it´s 2022. Like it or not, but the classic forum is a relict from another age by now.

I don't think your point is whether or not the devs listen to feedback on the game (which they obviously do), I think the point you want is for them to always act on feedback if a majority of people want something in a poll.

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

My point is that polls are useless if only members of this forum vote. Nothing more. Not implying anything else. Literally just about the polls. Simply mentioned other platforms because the majority of players never have been here.

I didn´t judge anything about feedback and dev interaction besides polls at all.

@Matt115 I didn´t say other platforms are better. I said they are way more used. You are right. A forum is the best way to handle a discussion about a game in development. But the numbers speak for itself. You can get more likes in an hour for a picture of your base in  private facebook groups than you will have overall votes on a poll in this forum.

 

[Matt115]

My point is that polls are useless if only members of this forum vote. Nothing more. Not implying anything else. Literally just about the polls. Simply mentioned other platforms because the majority of players never have been here.

I didn´t judge anything about feedback and dev interaction besides polls at all.

@Matt115 I didn´t say other platforms are better. I said they are way more used. You are right. A forum is the best way to handle a discussion about a game in development. But the numbers speak for itself. You can get more likes in an hour for a picture of your base in  private facebook groups than you will have overall votes on a poll in this forum.

I mean that's a point - people love to trolling. That's true. During 2012 in Poland as anthem of EURO 2012 was choosen very... strange song because people were voting this just "for fun" because send cheap SMS is not big deal right?

So There should be annoucment about pool on twitter steam yt etc. But pool should be here. Why?  Reason in very simple - i think if someone want to just trolling and choice the most "funny" option not the best for game. So this person won't waste of time just to create account to take part in pools. Mostly will only create people who rly like 7dtd. 

So it's much better to have just 100 votes people who love this game that 10 000 people while most of them can just trolling and always choice the most  absurd options. Trust me - if TFP would create pools in places like twitch and start asking thing i'm complete sure that after some time it's would looks like people want "memes the game"

 

[Roland]

Did anyone ever think of advertising those polls on the steam forum, twitter and the facebook site?

That doesn´t change the fact that if only forum regulars vote on polls on here that they are basically useless.

My point is that polls are useless if only members of this forum vote. Nothing more. Not implying anything else. Literally just about the polls.

Good point. Problem is there has never been an official poll put out regarding game development ever. Developing by popular opinion has never been their model. Any and all polls created here have always been unofficial polls put out by community members for fun and to stimulate discussion. 
 

so yes the polls on here have been useless but not just because they aren’t advertised in multiple locations. TFP doesn’t poll. 

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

@Roland Not regarding gamedevelopment. There was one for A17 death penalty though.

And also about the size and timeline of the updates, wich is kind of game development related. Were the players voted for big updates with longer timespans inbetween. Wich was abandoned by TFP with A20 where we got updates until 8 months after release with just about 2-3 months inbetween.

There has been those two polls that were  importnant and both had a very low number of votes compared to the playerbase. Just an idea to promote any future poll that might happen.

 

[warmer]

Why do they continually change things the community doesn't want changed? Add stuff that no one cares about? Don't add stuff that is continually asked for. Thank God for the modding community bcuz the devs just don't get it. 

I'm going to guess you've never made a single passion project in your life, or you'd realize that some endeavors are about pleasing yourself first.

You know what happens when you listen to too many voices in the community and pick the middle ground?

Saint's Row 2022

That steaming pile of crap I uninstalled within 45min of launching it.

 

[unholyjoe]

I'm going to guess you've never made a single passion project in your life, or you'd realize that some endeavors are about pleasing yourself first.

You know what happens when you listen to too many voices in the community and pick the middle ground?

Saint's Row 2022

That steaming pile of crap I uninstalled within 45min of launching it.

haha.. i beat ya there... i uninstalled after 3 minutes. not my cup of tea (i prefer dr pepper)

 

[Guppycur]

I agree with the OP.  Thank God for the modding community that tfp has been instrumental in curating. 

I think it's pretty cool that they are making a game with their vision and taking the time to include the tools that allow modders to make it in their own.

 

[Laz Man]

I agree with the OP.  Thank God for the modding community that tfp has been instrumental in curating. 

I think it's pretty cool that they are making a game with their vision and taking the time to include the tools that allow modders to make it in their own.

Pretty much this, except the negativity towards the devs on their vision.  I've seen modders and content creators both guilty of this despite the occasional appreciation that is mentioned...

 

[bdubyah]

Pretty much this, except the negativity towards the devs on their vision.  I've seen modders and content creators both guilty of this despite the occasional appreciation that is mentioned...

Well, just because they give us a way to change something doesn't mean we want them to give us a reason to change it.

But seriously, while there are definitely some things I don't agree with(noob spawn points, smell going away, item degradation, etc) I don't spew needless hate at the devs for those changes. And most of that is fairly easily reversed with mods. Well, some of it. But that won't stop me from still mentioning some of these things whenever I get the chance in the hopes of somehow swaying their opinion on them.

 

[Laz Man]

Well, just because they give us a way to change something doesn't mean we want them to give us a reason to change it.

But seriously, while there are definitely some things I don't agree with(noob spawn points, smell going away, item degradation, etc) I don't spew needless hate at the devs for those changes. And most of that is fairly easily reversed with mods. Well, some of it. But that won't stop me from still mentioning some of these things whenever I get the chance in the hopes of somehow swaying their opinion on them.

I don't mind disagreement with dev decisions and modders creating their own vision of the game.  It's those who spew nonsense about them knowing better that creates this narrative that modders know best for all.  I'm not going to name drop, but see it all the time.

 

[Maharin]

I agree with the OP.  Thank God for the modding community that tfp has been instrumental in curating. 

I think it's pretty cool that they are making a game with their vision and taking the time to include the tools that allow modders to make it in their own.

This is spot on.  This simple fact that TFP has made 7DTD so modable (and native on Linux) means TFP will already get my money for their next game.

 

[Matt115]

Well, just because they give us a way to change something doesn't mean we want them to give us a reason to change it.

But seriously, while there are definitely some things I don't agree with(noob spawn points, smell going away, item degradation, etc) I don't spew needless hate at the devs for those changes. And most of that is fairly easily reversed with mods. Well, some of it. But that won't stop me from still mentioning some of these things whenever I get the chance in the hopes of somehow swaying their opinion on them.

Mods are not solution. Rly it's not solution.

I'm playing in HL2 mod called entropy zero 2. It's soo good mod rly this mod could offical valve game because is soo good and in this same time very close with orginal HL2 spirit. But.... it's not canon so yeah. This could not exisit and hl series situation would be totaly this same. 

"noob spawn points, smell going away, item degradation, etc" well if such thing would stay in 7dtd since early alphas.... this would be much diffrent looking game and had much diffrent comunity, diffrent mods etc. That's a big diffrence.

This is spot on.  This simple fact that TFP has made 7DTD so modable (and native on Linux) means TFP will already get my money for their next game.

Honestly... i think if 7DTD wasn't modable it would be much better for 7dtd - why? because in this sitaution 7dtd had to had much more content and more dlc in the future. Now we know that's they want to make diffrent type of game. so 7dtd 2  will after.... 10- 15 years in best situation. So it's hard to not be pesemestic

 

[Maharin]

Honestly... i think if 7DTD wasn't modable it would be much better for 7dtd - why? because in this sitaution 7dtd had to had much more content and more dlc in the future. Now we know that's they want to make diffrent type of game. so 7dtd 2  will after.... 10- 15 years in best situation. So it's hard to not be pesemestic

There will literally be dozens of 7DTD2's created as mods over the next several years.   TFP does not need to make one nor do I expect they will unless they completely run out of ideas (unlikely).  I fully expect that some updates they will make to 7DTD post release will simply be things that make parts of it easier to mod.

 

[Rotor]

There will literally be dozens of 7DTD2's created as mods over the next several years.   TFP does not need to make one nor do I expect they will unless they completely run out of ideas (unlikely).  I fully expect that some updates they will make to 7DTD post release will simply be things that make parts of it easier to mod.

Ya, I want to delete Z types without modding .

 

[Matt115]

There will literally be dozens of 7DTD2's created as mods over the next several years.   TFP does not need to make one nor do I expect they will unless they completely run out of ideas (unlikely).  I fully expect that some updates they will make to 7DTD post release will simply be things that make parts of it easier to mod.

Honestly no chance maybe - 3-4 big mods and that's all - every overhoul mods is so similiar in 7dtd situation so if someone was interested ( and have skills) to created something diffrent... would do this. Yes they can do things to make easier to make mods but no chances that would change after released. it's not like sw bf or skyrim with tons of diffrent types of mods. No. 7dtd is playble long enough. If there would be some big modders groups like in HL2, skyrim or sw - it would have more big mods long time ago

 

[bdubyah]

Mods are not solution. Rly it's not solution.

I'm playing in HL2 mod called entropy zero 2. It's soo good mod rly this mod could offical valve game because is soo good and in this same time very close with orginal HL2 spirit. But.... it's not canon so yeah. This could not exisit and hl series situation would be totaly this same. 

"noob spawn points, smell going away, item degradation, etc" well if such thing would stay in 7dtd since early alphas.... this would be much diffrent looking game and had much diffrent comunity, diffrent mods etc. That's a big diffrence.

I'm...not even really sure what you were trying to say here.

 

[Matt115]

I'm...not even really sure what you were trying to say here.

Okay i will try to explain. Older alpha were looking like typical hardcore game. If checks games from 2013-2015 you will see that... 7dtd was like hardcore MC. meal smell, food spoiling , low visibilty. and looking how another alpha looked it was like "easier 3D project zomboid in early stage". Now 7dtd is casual game becaus people wanted to make more things simpler or easier. If TFP decided stick to "hardcore" vision from this period - community of this game would be much smaller, probably diffrent mods would be created and totaly have diffrent opinion. But they decided guys who wanted to make this game easier - probably because more casual game = more players

 

[Maharin]

@Matt115,

A big part of the design of 7DTD is the ability to mod it.  To say you want changes that TFP will not make, without mods, is to say you do not want changes.  Mods ARE what make this game a better game, not a worse game.  Whatever game 7DTD ends up being some people will not like it.  That's okay because they also gave us the ability to change it.  Either get past your bias against mods and change or move on to another game.  Seriously.