PC This is the kind of point of view that makes me go facepalm about some reviewers.

[meganoth]

Well yes they can handle multiple things but : this would be  another argument of Sony against Microsoft takeover Activision. So Microsoft woudn't prevent Epic. Why risk loosing control over Activision to get deal with TFP?

The time frames don't work: The activision deal is being checked now and in much less than a year either accepted or denied. An Epic exclusivity deal of 7D2D 1 would be "hot" in about 2 years when 7D2d comes out. If Epic wants such an exclusivitiy deal it would not only have to pay TFP but also Microsoft to buy them out. Making it even more uneconomic to do such a deal.

By the way, Microsoft didn't buy TFP! They just bought rights to have it on xbox store and part of the game pass. like hundreds of other games. Why anyone would object to that you have to explain to me. This is not a takeover and not an exclusivity deal and therefore does not bring any arguments to the Activision takeover.

I mean TFP' new game exclusivity. 7DTD is just reason why Epic could be interested to do deal with TFP about new game

You mean because they now noticed the game and company and didn't before? But Epic is constantly on the lookout for exclusivity deals, and has found new developers easily without them being on the Epic store. Many exclusivity deals are with newcomers because they need up-front money for their development, Epic does find them, why should they haven't noticed 7D2D?

Yeah language barrier here. Some thing can be translated in diffrent way  

Well  this would be pointless from economical and PR point of view - well people used to "light tone" of this game. So there is no point to change setting into more "classic horror style". But most things in media conneted about 7dtd is not horror but RP, fun with friends and.... more realistic Mincraft.

Yeah i see this - ghuls.  But using this logic HL2 is horror game because of ravenholm

Not a pure horror game. But even HL 1 has horror elements and if Valve had wanted they could have labeled it an horror ego-shooter.

 Fallout is just typical "post apo parody" of cold war usa society, usa militarism ( design of tanks for example) , trends , famouse people, culture. Yes have few horror elements but this is like hm... skeleton on trap in Indiana Jones movies.  Fallout is like nation z while for example metro is like walking dead. What's a diffrent - Fallout  universe factions as example - there is something like roman army, scientisitc like from ww2 comedy movie, USA governament , Raiders ( i don't complain about their desing in Fallout because it's parody) , while Metro factions - i don't will wrote about them here because some of them are... let say controversial so check the link : Factions | Metro Wiki | Fandom .

Btw. i remember even skeleton in suits so much inspired with one of Dr. who enemies but... honestly in Fallout are used more like joke. 

In my view horror and comedy can mix. One of my favourite movie genres are horror comedies.

About DR1 and DR4 - we can't be sure what was point of devs but for most players - well DR1 was pretty  deppresing , gore with small additional of black humor while  DR4 unfuny parody.

Honestly @pApA^LeGBa can be  halve right. I mean - here are almost people who love 7dtd right? this same thing with cod - a lot of people defence Activision on their public media in comments - "if you don't like microtransations don't buying" but if you check how many people say this is wrong on diffrent media.... statistic will be looks diffrent. 

Okay lets say that in theory there is 10% of 7dtd owner want  more horror in 7dtd. But don't mean that they will write on forum about that. This psychological thing : people are afraid to have diffrent opinion that majority , people just don't have time -  well i don't like cod looks now my i don't write on cod forum etc because.... this is pointless now because this cannot be undone , some people will be just dissapointed and start to play in diffrent game. Some of them will check just mods - if they will like them maybe  they will install them if not... well there is more game.  And last thing : what people usually check on games forum? the most important topic - i think A21 dev diary is the most important now. So how big is chance that you will find someone like that? small. Well..... even i created my account two years ago ( social blockade) - so this is nothing strange that nobody except me demand this. And there is a lot of reasons about that.  

Why LBD or farming is such hot topic? because... most people care more about gameplay - i think mods topic are hot too. Btw LBD is hot topic now because.... it's started by news. I think if Madmole wrote something like " we thinking about return of behemots"  i think there would be 2-3 topics about that. So if Devs would start topic about horror elements in Dev 21 diary on during stream topic would be hot

But LBD is a topic that is always hot, without devs mentioning it. People talk about it continually since A17. Other topics like water physics get a new post regularily without any dev making a topic out of it. Fishing gets a pimp dream post regularily, the old weapon system with quality 1-600 as well, and so do many many other ideas. More skeletons and horror? Nada, nothing.

Now this doesn't mean that the 10% you posted is impossible. But we can at least say that LBD,water,fishing,behemoth and other topics are probably much more popular with players.

 

[youcantgetridofme]

"extremist bias patterns on the pro game and company moderator and community side of thing" - there is no such a thing

If you say so.

Either make a complaint to a moderator with all the evidence you can find. But don't discuss it here.

It was tried. It was ignored. They do not discuss. Simple as that. Their way or the highway.

They got a lot of counter-arguments but so did anyone who posted positive things.   

It's all fine and dandy until you just so happen to trigger their opposite opinion biases a slight bit beyond those other people. Some people have natural bias toward others more so than others too. Something to consider, but perhaps it's being dismissed?

But as a moderator I am pretty sure that you are wrong about moderation here being biased.

We shall see. It's early days still and I expect the same treatment over here as over on Steam. I'm more than certain the same thing is going to happen here as did there, but as I said, it's early days. I'll say the wrong thing someday that goes against a bias and I will be removed. Patterns. Remember?

Nonsene. There are clear rules in this forum and anyone who was banned here was not an innocent lamb and it didn't matter if he praised or critizised TFP.

Exactly. It's considered nonsense. The rules go one way generally and they typically favour the praise or people with power. People get lumped into the same pot of stew regardless right or wrong. What if he was a she? How would their treatment be then? I have witnessed girls being treated differently than guys. What about that situation?

Then learn how not to fall for psychologicla manipulation on the internet. That is fairly easy and can be summed up in 3 words: "Don't get provoked".

Think twice to answer to a provocation. Think twice whether the other is really trying to provoke you.

Funny how there is a different set of guidelines for certain types of people or their comments. You say we should ignore these baits, trolls, etc. that attempt to create situations, but at the same time, those people are allowed to continue doing it without repercussions, but the moment someone says something to oppose or call them out, they are the ones who get punished? Seems reasonable. /s

That is why I proposed the ignore list to you as well as to some others. If you have a problem with some posters, put them on the ignore list. Much easier to not respond to an ignored person.

Actually I've done this in past. I didn't respond to those people, but they were allowed to continue going on and on about me or my comments trashing them or trying to publicly shame myself, others or our comments. I appreciate your proposal to try and create a solution, but the sad fact is I and many others have tried your proposal, but it simply doesn't work because these mods don't care about anything other than what they want to care about. Others are allowed to continue to step out of line without consequence. Bias.

And I wrote a response to this "trend" that you have not seemed to have observed. I asked some pointed questions asking for evidence of this alleged trend. Can you provide it?

If things were being done right in the first place, I wouldn't be here commenting and agreeing with Reach Gaming about these kinds of bad patterns that consistently repeat themselves.

If you wrote it somewhere else, I haven't had a chance to read it. Life can get busy and I sometimes may miss things. I don't really need to prove much of anything. The proof is right in front all our faces to see. Go to Steam. Look over the discussion board history. If you're looking closely enough and have an open mind about this subject, you very well may notice patterns. If not then well, there's not much else I can do. It can all be browsed and looked over on your own. I'm not here to spoon feed. I said where it all can be found before. I'm not metaphorically digging through the trash so you don't have to do any work on your own.

1/2.3k

the dream is real

This pretty much proves the point in itself. It's all a big joke to them.

[deleted. Please do not discuss moderation here]

While we are talking about seemingly unfair moderator decisions like banning users on steam:

...proceeds to talk about moderation. Oh the irony of double standards.

The double standard pattern is also another very real pattern.

Reach Gaming could have pointed that out too, but if he pointed out every pattern and  included in his video, it would probably be about a four hour long video.

 

[Urban Blackbear]

If you say so.

It was tried. It was ignored. They do not discuss. Simple as that. Their way or the highway.

It's all fine and dandy until you just so happen to trigger their opposite opinion biases a slight bit beyond those other people. Some people have natural bias toward others more so than others too. Something to consider, but perhaps it's being dismissed?

We shall see. It's early days still and I expect the same treatment over here as over on Steam. I'm more than certain the same thing is going to happen here as did there, but as I said, it's early days. I'll say the wrong thing someday that goes against a bias and I will be removed. Patterns. Remember?

Exactly. It's considered nonsense. The rules go one way generally and they typically favour the praise or people with power. People get lumped into the same pot of stew regardless right or wrong. What if he was a she? How would their treatment be then? I have witnessed girls being treated differently than guys. What about that situation?

Funny how there is a different set of guidelines for certain types of people or their comments. You say we should ignore these baits, trolls, etc. that attempt to create situations, but at the same time, those people are allowed to continue doing it without repercussions, but the moment someone says something to oppose or call them out, they are the ones who get punished? Seems reasonable. /s

Actually I've done this in past. I didn't respond to those people, but they were allowed to continue going on and on about me or my comments trashing them or trying to publicly shame myself, others or our comments. I appreciate your proposal to try and create a solution, but the sad fact is I and many others have tried your proposal, but it simply doesn't work because these mods don't care about anything other than what they want to care about. Others are allowed to continue to step out of line without consequence. Bias.

If things were being done right in the first place, I wouldn't be here commenting and agreeing with Reach Gaming about these kinds of bad patterns that consistently repeat themselves.

If you wrote it somewhere else, I haven't had a chance to read it. Life can get busy and I sometimes may miss things. I don't really need to prove much of anything. The proof is right in front all our faces to see. Go to Steam. Look over the discussion board history. If you're looking closely enough and have an open mind about this subject, you very well may notice patterns. If not then well, there's not much else I can do. It can all be browsed and looked over on your own. I'm not here to spoon feed. I said where it all can be found before. I'm not metaphorically digging through the trash so you don't have to do any work on your own.

This pretty much proves the point in itself. It's all a big joke to them.

...proceeds to talk about moderation. Oh the irony of double standards.

The double standard pattern is also another very real pattern.

Reach Gaming could have pointed that out too, but if he pointed out every pattern and  included in his video, it would probably be about a four hour long video.

Party A  breaking the rules they agreed to does not excuse Party B to do the same. Concern yourself with only yourself and you'll benefit more from it.

 

[Roland]

If things were being done right in the first place, I wouldn't be here commenting and agreeing with Reach Gaming about these kinds of bad patterns that consistently repeat themselves.

If you wrote it somewhere else, I haven't had a chance to read it. Life can get busy and I sometimes may miss things. I don't really need to prove much of anything. The proof is right in front all our faces to see. Go to Steam. Look over the discussion board history. If you're looking closely enough and have an open mind about this subject, you very well may notice patterns. If not then well, there's not much else I can do. It can all be browsed and looked over on your own. I'm not here to spoon feed. I said where it all can be found before. I'm not metaphorically digging through the trash so you don't have to do any work on your own.

Ummm.... I rewrote/summarized my response in the same post that you quoted me. You didn't need to go digging back in the thread or miss anything. You claimed that the trend was to dumb down the game for console and I refuted that point and asked questions of you to hear your thoughts. 

It had nothing to do with your experience on Steam or past run-ins with forum moderators. I don't need to go to steam and browse anything. You posted here that in your opinion the developers are trending towards dumbing down the game for consoles and I challenged that idea and would like you to provide the evidence that drives your opinion.

Lets drop the stories of what happened on another forum and stick to the topic.

 

[Matt115]

The time frames don't work: The activision deal is being checked now and in much less than a year either accepted or denied. An Epic exclusivity deal of 7D2D 1 would be "hot" in about 2 years when 7D2d comes out. If Epic wants such an exclusivitiy deal it would not only have to pay TFP but also Microsoft to buy them out. Making it even more uneconomic to do such a deal.

By the way, Microsoft didn't buy TFP! They just bought rights to have it on xbox store and part of the game pass. like hundreds of other games. Why anyone would object to that you have to explain to me. This is not a takeover and not an exclusivity deal and therefore does not bring any arguments to the Activision takeover.

I know that MC didn't buy TFP. But  game pass was a argument of sony ( btw this everything was sounds so strange - i mean coments of both Sony and Activisions) 

In my view horror and comedy can mix. One of my favourite movie genres are horror comedies.

Did you watched "Zombie SS" ? i love this movie

Not a pure horror game. But even HL 1 has horror elements and if Valve had wanted they could have labeled it an horror ego-shooter.

While 7dtd was looking like pure horror game while now 7dtd is  survival tower defence sandbox with horror elements. HL1 is typical SCI-FI shooter ( like serious sam - here it's mean it's not scary but enemies are not humans)

But LBD is a topic that is always hot, without devs mentioning it. People talk about it continually since A17. Other topics like water physics get a new post regularily without any dev making a topic out of it. Fishing gets a pimp dream post regularily, the old weapon system with quality 1-600 as well, and so do many many other ideas. More skeletons and horror? Nada, nothing.

Now this doesn't mean that the 10% you posted is impossible. But we can at least say that LBD,water,fishing,behemoth and other topics are probably much more popular with players.

Well that's true. Water or LBD is more popular topics. Well except behemoth - i think this topic is pretty dead.

 

[Maharin]

Now let's start talking about LBDSM...

 

[Matt115]

If you say so.

It was tried. It was ignored. They do not discuss. Simple as that. Their way or the highway.

It's all fine and dandy until you just so happen to trigger their opposite opinion biases a slight bit beyond those other people. Some people have natural bias toward others more so than others too. Something to consider, but perhaps it's being dismissed?

We shall see. It's early days still and I expect the same treatment over here as over on Steam. I'm more than certain the same thing is going to happen here as did there, but as I said, it's early days. I'll say the wrong thing someday that goes against a bias and I will be removed. Patterns. Remember?

Exactly. It's considered nonsense. The rules go one way generally and they typically favour the praise or people with power. People get lumped into the same pot of stew regardless right or wrong. What if he was a she? How would their treatment be then? I have witnessed girls being treated differently than guys. What about that situation?

Funny how there is a different set of guidelines for certain types of people or their comments. You say we should ignore these baits, trolls, etc. that attempt to create situations, but at the same time, those people are allowed to continue doing it without repercussions, but the moment someone says something to oppose or call them out, they are the ones who get punished? Seems reasonable. /s

Actually I've done this in past. I didn't respond to those people, but they were allowed to continue going on and on about me or my comments trashing them or trying to publicly shame myself, others or our comments. I appreciate your proposal to try and create a solution, but the sad fact is I and many others have tried your proposal, but it simply doesn't work because these mods don't care about anything other than what they want to care about. Others are allowed to continue to step out of line without consequence. Bias.

If things were being done right in the first place, I wouldn't be here commenting and agreeing with Reach Gaming about these kinds of bad patterns that consistently repeat themselves.

If you wrote it somewhere else, I haven't had a chance to read it. Life can get busy and I sometimes may miss things. I don't really need to prove much of anything. The proof is right in front all our faces to see. Go to Steam. Look over the discussion board history. If you're looking closely enough and have an open mind about this subject, you very well may notice patterns. If not then well, there's not much else I can do. It can all be browsed and looked over on your own. I'm not here to spoon feed. I said where it all can be found before. I'm not metaphorically digging through the trash so you don't have to do any work on your own.

This pretty much proves the point in itself. It's all a big joke to them.

...proceeds to talk about moderation. Oh the irony of double standards.

The double standard pattern is also another very real pattern.

Reach Gaming could have pointed that out too, but if he pointed out every pattern and  included in his video, it would probably be about a four hour long video.

I think "pattern" is your favourite word.  As you see - i and @meganoth have diffrent opinions about 7dtd' horror style - as you can see this is visual prove that you are wrong about that patterns. 

FORUM=/=STEAM=/=YT=/=TWITTER etc. 

"What if he was a she? How would their treatment be then? I have witnessed girls being treated differently than guys. What about that situation"  1. have you any proofs? quotes, screens etc?

"Go to Steam" - this the worst type of arguments like " check in internet" - if you present what's going on in diffrent place like - yt, article , diffrent topic - send screens or link

Ummm.... I rewrote/summarized my response in the same post that you quoted me. You didn't need to go digging back in the thread or miss anything. You claimed that the trend was to dumb down the game for console and I refuted that point and asked questions of you to hear your thoughts. 

It had nothing to do with your experience on Steam or past run-ins with forum moderators. I don't need to go to steam and browse anything. You posted here that in your opinion the developers are trending towards dumbing down the game for consoles and I challenged that idea and would like you to provide the evidence that drives your opinion.

Lets drop the stories of what happened on another forum and stick to the topic.

I agree with you... 3/2.3k  well this topic is unique.

Now let's start talking about LBDSM...

What mean SM??? LEARING BY DOING SPACE MARINES????

 

[Rotor]

I am tempted to repost an eloquent post..........but I might get banned .

 

[BFT2020]

I always find there was a reason a person gets banned, even when they claim their wasn’t 

 

[SURVIVE]

Ha this topic blew up after I said my piece.

Roland out of care for your well being I found this for ya since you seem to think I'm restricted to points only.

Summary

a brief statement or account of the main points of something

Example: "a summary of Chapter Three"

honestly can't listen to you because you remind me if all the "MVP" players on the wow forums in the general section constantly defending the atrocious decisions the company was making. FYI nearly everyone would, following the guidelines, tell them to shove it where the sun dont shine. In fact I'm pretty sure that's why the guidelines were made, to protect their "Righteous defenders"

TFP doesn't need to make another "horror" game or even a world building game because lets be real, haven't we abused those two enough already? Hell if they can make a split screen skater game thats better then the garbage people make today I'm in. But don't fing ask us for feedback if you have no intention of adding the things the community wants anyway.

Peace and may the swarts be with you.

I am tempted to repost an eloquent post..........but I might get banned .

Just cleverly work your way around the ToA. If they are insulted and you get banned, I can drive my my point further.

 

[SURVIVE]

Calling a sensible business decision greedy is like calling a lion bloodthirsty when he eats an innocent lamb. Now I don't know if it was a sensible business decision to enter game pass and epic store, but I see long-term advantages for players (more choice of platform) and you haven't shown how that is so bad for players. In fact generally cross-platform play is on the wishlist of players for a lot of games. Are you the representative of the steam-community that is disappointed other unwashed masses are let in?

The bad stuff is all short-term as far as I can see. A percentage of players have to endure a sub-par browser for a while. And new players coming from game pass encounter a few bugs.

In essence business as usual, features that get shown in an unfinished state to players and bugs that take a long time to go away. Remember how long players had to endure minibikes sinking into the earth? Two years. If you don't want to see bugs, don't buy a game in EA. 

If TFP is really greedy and ignores the community, then it always was doing that. I don't see a change.

A developer who tries to finish a game after 8 years in EA is a bad thing for you? Meanwhile a part of the community you speak of complains about the game taking too long! What now? Which group should TFP try to please? And did you see any signs of crunch? Wouldn't features and bugfixes come at an accelerated rate if they were in crunch now?

What did TFP promise and fail to do, by the way?

You mentioned duration but the only promise I heard from them was "Its done when its done".

You seem to complain about bugs but did they ever promise to have a bug-free game in EA?

You mention gamepass. Did they promise to never enter gamepass or epic store?

1) Child, we are not uncivilized animals.

2) The bad stuff may be short term but it keeps coming, therefore making it longterm.

3) Yes I do as me and my cousin and everyone who genuinely cared at that point helped explore what was causing it. EA grabed us with the same "player feedback needed" in the beginning with bf 3, 4 1 5 and 2042. wow did it to. So don't manipulate us anymore. we're tired of it.

4) I'm astonished. Very unprofessional Meganoth.

5) Not necessarily. in some cases crunch has caused setbacks. Lack of sleep causes you to be less aware, potentially causing errors, missing a meetings or even unfinished work. Its pretty clear who they want to please.

6) to listen to community feedback, because at the time it was the lifeblood of the game. Adding things, discussing things. Just like EA. just Like Blizzard. Just like Ubisoft. Wildcard, Klei. the list goes on. It's fun until devs start ignoring feedback. it starts small but becomes more noticeable. until someone wiz prives you wrong mathematicallyI remember when they posted that "Its done when its done" response. it was a irritated response to everyone asking wtf is the release. but hey kudos to them not caving to player pressure.

since this is an active topic, anyone know where to find LAN option since a20?

 

[Matt115]

6) to listen to community feedback, because at the time it was the lifeblood of the game. Adding things, discussing things. Just like EA. just Like Blizzard. Just like Ubisoft. Wildcard, Klei. the list goes on. It's fun until devs start ignoring feedback. it starts small but becomes more noticeable. until someone wiz prives you wrong mathematicallyI remember when they posted that "Its done when its done" response. it was a irritated response to everyone asking wtf is the release. but hey kudos to them not caving to player pressure.

"it's done when its done" was good idea. Well - during first few alpha they were writing date of released of new alpha - but sometimes they didn't do this in time so people were complaining about that. So to avoid "you guys said that nest alpha will be released 20 May but it's now 21 May!" they decided to write "it's done when it's done" because they don't have to worry about time

 

[meganoth]

If you say so.

It was tried. It was ignored. They do not discuss. Simple as that. Their way or the highway.

It's all fine and dandy until you just so happen to trigger their opposite opinion biases a slight bit beyond those other people. Some people have natural bias toward others more so than others too. Something to consider, but perhaps it's being dismissed?

We shall see. It's early days still and I expect the same treatment over here as over on Steam. I'm more than certain the same thing is going to happen here as did there, but as I said, it's early days. I'll say the wrong thing someday that goes against a bias and I will be removed. Patterns. Remember?

If you can't help it and eventually start to insult people, that is on you. The pattern is very easy: Insult someone and you get a warning or ban. That happens to everyone by the way, so that pattern is global.

Exactly. It's considered nonsense. The rules go one way generally and they typically favour the praise or people with power. People get lumped into the same pot of stew regardless right or wrong. What if he was a she? How would their treatment be then? I have witnessed girls being treated differently than guys. What about that situation?

Funny how there is a different set of guidelines for certain types of people or their comments. You say we should ignore these baits, trolls, etc. that attempt to create situations, but at the same time, those people are allowed to continue doing it without repercussions, but the moment someone says something to oppose or call them out, they are the ones who get punished? Seems reasonable. /s

You constantly claim there is a different treatment between yes-people and no-people, even here. But you haven't reported a single post yet. You haven't shown any evidence. So what can I say to that? "No, it is not that way". And you will reply "Yes". And I'll say "no". . If you just reported a post here in the forum that was clearly ban-worthy by someone who praises TFP and I can't show you a likewise post by a TFP-critic, I would be shown as a hypocrite.   

Actually I've done this in past. I didn't respond to those people, but they were allowed to continue going on and on about me or my comments trashing them or trying to publicly shame myself, others or our comments. I appreciate your proposal to try and create a solution, but the sad fact is I and many others have tried your proposal, but it simply doesn't work because these mods don't care about anything other than what they want to care about. Others are allowed to continue to step out of line without consequence. Bias.

If things were being done right in the first place, I wouldn't be here commenting and agreeing with Reach Gaming about these kinds of bad patterns that consistently repeat themselves.

If you wrote it somewhere else, I haven't had a chance to read it. Life can get busy and I sometimes may miss things. I don't really need to prove much of anything. The proof is right in front all our faces to see. Go to Steam. Look over the discussion board history. If you're looking closely enough and have an open mind about this subject, you very well may notice patterns. If not then well, there's not much else I can do. It can all be browsed and looked over on your own. I'm not here to spoon feed. I said where it all can be found before. I'm not metaphorically digging through the trash so you don't have to do any work on your own.

This pretty much proves the point in itself. It's all a big joke to them.

...proceeds to talk about moderation. Oh the irony of double standards.

I'm talking about moderation generally as I have allowed you to do it, talking generally. But the removed paragraph was talking specifics and even my lenient interpretation of the mod-discussing-rule can not accept that.

And you see, it didn't lead to a ban, I just edited out the stuff that went too far. 

The double standard pattern is also another very real pattern.

Reach Gaming could have pointed that out too, but if he pointed out every pattern and  included in his video, it would probably be about a four hour long video.

 

[meganoth]

I know that MC didn't buy TFP. But  game pass was a argument of sony ( btw this everything was sounds so strange - i mean coments of both Sony and Activisions) 

Game Pass as a whole might be an argument of sony that MS is controlling too much in gaming. But 7D2D is already on game pass, so even if the government would look at single games on game pass the deed is already done. And again, the time frames don't work out.

Did you watched "Zombie SS" ? i love this movie

I assume this is an alternative title of "Dead Snow"? In that case, yes, seen it and liked it.

While 7dtd was looking like pure horror game while now 7dtd is  survival tower defence sandbox with horror elements.

Considering that horror, survival, tower defense and sandbox are all part of what 7D2D should include I'd say TFP did something right.

HL1 is typical SCI-FI shooter ( like serious sam - here it's mean it's not scary but enemies are not humans)

The H.R.Giger aliens in the movie Alien are also not humans, but obviously designed to induce horror.

Well that's true. Water or LBD is more popular topics. Well except behemoth - i think this topic is pretty dead.

https://community.7daystodie.com/topic/29709-idea-on-how-to-fix-behemoth-and-other-zombie-ideas/#comment-496617

This post is just 20 hours old.

 

[meganoth]

1) Child, we are not uncivilized animals.

2) The bad stuff may be short term but it keeps coming, therefore making it longterm.

Without being more specific you just sound like a "glass half empty" guy. Lets wait and see if the browser interface gets updates. If it isn't you will be proven right.

3) Yes I do as me and my cousin and everyone who genuinely cared at that point helped explore what was causing it. EA grabed us with the same "player feedback needed" in the beginning with bf 3, 4 1 5 and 2042. wow did it to. So don't manipulate us anymore. we're tired of it.

Since you are speaking to me, I'm just a normal forum user with too much time to post here and a side-job of being moderator. I didn't manipulate you and I didn't tell you that feedback was needed. Though what did TFP say about feedback exactly? Did they tell you that players would be designing the game? Surely not. Did they say they want feedback and error reports from players on specific features? Probably.

And I did see that negative feedback on features made them rebalance or change those features. I never saw them redesign the game completely because of feedback of some players. if you expected that, your expectations were just too high.

4) I'm astonished. Very unprofessional Meganoth.

No surprise, I'm not here in a professional capacity. But really, I'm only saying that if you are already fully convinced that they are slimy @%$#s and out to manipulate you then they probably were from the start.

Getting on other sales platforms is a very natural step to get a game into the reach of as many people as possible. If that already triggers your mistrust then I really can't help you.

5) Not necessarily. in some cases crunch has caused setbacks. Lack of sleep causes you to be less aware, potentially causing errors, missing a meetings or even unfinished work. Its pretty clear who they want to please.

Ok, so we can't totally rule out crunch. But do we have any signs of crunch occuring? I don't see any.

Now I might be misunderstanding what you meant with "scrambling to finish their game". If you want to say it takes them a lot more time than they thought I would agree. If you want to say they are now in some kind of panic mode I don't see any signs of that. They already had bandits in the game, if they were trying to rush release they simply could take whatever they have, call one of those bandits Duke, add a quest to kill the Duke, and release the game any time now. That they don't is a sign they are not in any kind of panic mode.  

6) to listen to community feedback, because at the time it was the lifeblood of the game. Adding things, discussing things. Just like EA. just Like Blizzard. Just like Ubisoft. Wildcard, Klei. the list goes on. It's fun until devs start ignoring feedback. it starts small but becomes more noticeable. until someone wiz prives you wrong mathematicallyI remember when they posted that "Its done when its done" response. it was a irritated response to everyone asking wtf is the release. but hey kudos to them not caving to player pressure.

At the start of development EA was a totally new experience for TFP. I can imagine they first listened too much to anything said by forum users until they maybe noticed that they could find every imaginable opinion on their forum about anything and that they had to be more careful. (This is just a theory that could explain what you seem to have observed).

I'm pretty sure that no game could ever have any features in it if the developer for example just removed any feature when there is at least 1 person saying that feature is bad. Because there is always someone saying a feature is bad. So a developer in EA has to be selective. And that means that a lot of people post their opinion and are seemingly ignored.

since this is an active topic, anyone know where to find LAN option since a20?

 

[Rotor]

Just cleverly work your way around the ToA. If they are insulted and you get banned, I can drive my my point further.

You misunderstand me.  My apologies as I forgot /sarcasm tag.

 

[Matt115]

Game Pass as a whole might be an argument of sony that MS is controlling too much in gaming. But 7D2D is already on game pass, so even if the government would look at single games on game pass the deed is already done. And again, the time frames don't work out.

Is from gamepass is in gamepass from shorter time that "rumors" about MS takeover 

I assume this is an alternative title of "Dead Snow"? In that case, yes, seen it and liked it.

Sequel is rly good too. Btw check Frankenstein's army if you have a while

The H.R.Giger aliens in the movie Alien are also not humans, but obviously designed to induce horror.

Yep but - Alien is typical "slasher" horror movie  like  Hallowen  or "the thing" while... AVP or aliens colonial marine was designed like typical PS3 shooter.  HL1 was designed more like Serious sam enemies but more "serious" but not in horror style. So some games can looks a little bit like "horror" inspired - Bioshock or singularity but only have horror elements. NZA 1&2 are more horror focused that this games

https://community.7daystodie.com/topic/29709-idea-on-how-to-fix-behemoth-and-other-zombie-ideas/#comment-496617

This post is just 20 hours old.

This guy have just 1 post .... do you create new account just to show i'm wrong? i'm joking.

Well : Behemot zombie, children zombie and hornets have 1 common thing - no chance  to be included. Behemot because new animation system, children zombie because banned in few countries and honerts because almost nobody like them.  This topic i think nobody take as realistic anymore.

While LBD and fishing are connected with new thing like water overhoul and LBL - well LBD and  fishing was a little bit dead until news about perks reworks and fixes of water

 

[Matt115]

And I did see that negative feedback on features made them rebalance or change those features. I never saw them redesign the game completely because of feedback of some players. if you expected that, your expectations were just too high.

Well hornets are example that TFP care what community thing about changes and features.

@SURVIVE : well a lot of thing were changed/balanced or will be change like traders quest because TFP listen community. I can complain about some TFP decisions but that's 100% that they are read what people writing on  forum

 

[SURVIVE]

Without being more specific you just sound like a "glass half empty" guy. Lets wait and see if the browser interface gets updates. If it isn't you will be proven right.

Since you are speaking to me, I'm just a normal forum user with too much time to post here and a side-job of being moderator. I didn't manipulate you and I didn't tell you that feedback was needed. Though what did TFP say about feedback exactly? Did they tell you that players would be designing the game? Surely not. Did they say they want feedback and error reports from players on specific features? Probably.

And I did see that negative feedback on features made them rebalance or change those features. I never saw them redesign the game completely because of feedback of some players. if you expected that, your expectations were just too high.

No surprise, I'm not here in a professional capacity. But really, I'm only saying that if you are already fully convinced that they are slimy @%$#s and out to manipulate you then they probably were from the start.

Getting on other sales platforms is a very natural step to get a game into the reach of as many people as possible. If that already triggers your mistrust then I really can't help you.

Ok, so we can't totally rule out crunch. But do we have any signs of crunch occuring? I don't see any.

Now I might be misunderstanding what you meant with "scrambling to finish their game". If you want to say it takes them a lot more time than they thought I would agree. If you want to say they are now in some kind of panic mode I don't see any signs of that. They already had bandits in the game, if they were trying to rush release they simply could take whatever they have, call one of those bandits Duke, add a quest to kill the Duke, and release the game any time now. That they don't is a sign they are not in any kind of panic mode.  

At the start of development EA was a totally new experience for TFP. I can imagine they first listened too much to anything said by forum users until they maybe noticed that they could find every imaginable opinion on their forum about anything and that they had to be more careful. (This is just a theory that could explain what you seem to have observed).

I'm pretty sure that no game could ever have any features in it if the developer for example just removed any feature when there is at least 1 person saying that feature is bad. Because there is always someone saying a feature is bad. So a developer in EA has to be selective. And that means that a lot of people post their opinion and are seemingly ignored.

1) so you would say the browser is half finished?

2)  Didn't say you did and was speaking to the staff that have a REAL job.

3) Game didn't need to be redesigned at all. where you drew that conclusion is pretty random.

4) Again, very unprofessional. I would never say that about the company I work for. No they weren't like that initially no. greed can change your moral outlook.

5) its already sold around the world. it was basically minecraft 2.0. MP offered extra cash but came with its own set of intergration problems.

6) Never said they were panicking. Said scrambling. you don't need to be losing your mind while you scrambe to do something. you were just lazy af and did something last minute. that is scrambling.

7) refer to point 6.

I imagine the raw feedback from any person thats real would upset some people. Like if everyone kept thumbs downing you. eventually they would probably remove the thumbs down.

9) The minority shouts the loudest. the rest of us just laugh.

 

[Matt115]

1) so you would say the browser is half finished?

2)  Didn't say you did and was speaking to the staff that have a REAL job.

3) Game didn't need to be redesigned at all. where you drew that conclusion is pretty random.

4) Again, very unprofessional. I would never say that about the company I work for. No they weren't like that initially no. greed can change your moral outlook.

5) its already sold around the world. it was basically minecraft 2.0. MP offered extra cash but came with its own set of intergration problems.

6) Never said they were panicking. Said scrambling. you don't need to be losing your mind while you scrambe to do something. you were just lazy af and did something last minute. that is scrambling.

7) refer to point 6.

I imagine the raw feedback from any person thats real would upset some people. Like if everyone kept thumbs downing you. eventually they would probably remove the thumbs down.

9) The minority shouts the loudest. the rest of us just laugh.

9 I think most people would agree with @meganoth