PC A20 i'm disappointed

I will show u more as soon as they come out.
Like in a run my character was not saved, and rolled back 3 levels lost all new stuff in the inventory also.
..... lucky u that is running ok for you.
And dont get me into pipe weaps ... what a bs, the pipe baton is a joke. Whoever animated that knows nothing about weaps.

 
I will show u more as soon as they come out.
Like in a run my character was not saved, and rolled back 3 levels lost all new stuff in the inventory also.
..... lucky u that is running ok for you.
And dont get me into pipe weaps ... what a bs, the pipe baton is a joke. Whoever animated that knows nothing about weaps.
Did you bother to clear your game files before updating like the devs have asked everyone to do? If not then we can't really help you if you won't follow directions.

 
Did you bother to clear your game files before updating like the devs have asked everyone to do? If not then we can't really help you if you won't follow directions.
..... have that been notified in game ?
I havent seen any message in game..... now i know cause u told me.... not everyone is on the forum. And i'm here cause the new version is trash.
So now i know that i have to clear game files. 
 

 
With something like a gradually progressing alpha for a game, it's always a good idea to delete your old saves and worlds, and do a fresh install. This will remove a lot of issues. Since you're playing a pre-release, check on the forums for advice from the devs or other players to get your game running smoothly. This game hasn't come out yet. We're doing testing, but this game is already amazing. The developers have left the players so many tools to make the experience enjoyable, from leaving previous releases available, to the modability of the game, you can surely find a way to make the game work for you. 

Happy holidays and I hope find a way to get the most from your game!

 
About the only glitch I see is my ride teleporting around. It is inconvenient to run out of a building chased by irradiated hordes and discover my bike has moved 3 city blocks over.  

 
Yea i understand, but tha hell this is again the "alpha shield".
It's not hard to notify the user in the main screen to manually wipe data, and what data to wipe.
It's just lazyness and disrespectful of customers.

looks interesting share more pics of this, I can't quite get my head around it.
That is a building "imposter" or "Impostor" bug..... i was running ... just running no DM / CM on .... just playing .

I should record my games, have no time for that.

Oo, you might be right. Sorry for all the occasionally useful four-legged friends for the comparison.
I confirm what i said above.

About the only glitch I see is my ride teleporting around. It is inconvenient to run out of a building chased by irradiated hordes and discover my bike has moved 3 city blocks over.  
Dang that is way too bad, still havent tested vehicles as in my actual run (level 20 no int) ... in 20 days i could not find a single "forge" or "bench" recipe....
But i've found recipes for motion sensors, electrical stuff and other end-game devices (loot is way too RNG and broken)

And by now i can confirm that there is something odd in the drops, it seems that the random generator have some issues as it keeps on spawning certain items and never other items.

And pls dev, roll back farming to A19 .... or A16 version.

I just deleted the savegames, now i'm cleaning up the installation by wiping data (that i a shame that after so many years we still have to do this)
As i said at least, tell your customer with a text box in-game, that we should clean the installation and WHAT to clean.
[EDIT]: thank to another user i just discovered that this game has a laucher (not accessible in steam u have to manually launch it)
There i can wipe data with the automatic procedure.... i wish i knew that b4
 

 
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Yea i understand, but tha hell this is again the "alpha shield".
It's not hard to notify the user in the main screen to manually wipe data, and what data to wipe.
It's just lazyness and disrespectful of customers.

That is a building "imposter" or "Impostor" bug..... i was running ... just running no DM / CM on .... just playing .

I should record my games, have no time for that.

I confirm what i said above.

Dang that is way too bad, still havent tested vehicles as in my actual run (level 20 no int) ... in 20 days i could not find a single "forge" or "bench" recipe....
But i've found recipes for motion sensors, electrical stuff and other end-game devices (loot is way too RNG and broken)

And by now i can confirm that there is something odd in the drops, it seems that the random generator have some issues as it keeps on spawning certain items and never other items.

And pls dev, roll back farming to A19 .... or A16 version.

I just deleted the savegames, now i'm cleaning up the installation by wiping data (that i a shame that after so many years we still have to do this)
As i said at least, tell your customer with a text box in-game, that we should clean the installation and WHAT to clean.
[EDIT]: thank to another user i just discovered that this game has a laucher (not accessible in steam u have to manually launch it)
There i can wipe data with the automatic procedure.... i wish i knew that b4
 
The devs are extremely out of touch with how these things are. I myself am 1048 hours in the game and I didn't know this since A16. Every other early access game I've ever played has never once forced the player to do this. It is purely their fault for giving no information to the player unless you hound the forums which is not how it should work.

The game should detect if the player has an upgraded version and recommend that we delete every file within the launcher, or have a script that does it automatically. It's a shame how buggy and volatile the files are. Every time I personally clean and reinstall a completely new bug appears but the older one isn't there.

I've even went out of my way to get a new drive to put the game on and I'm still always having the same generic issues. It's a real shame how buggy the game is and how poorly it can get handled.

It's still a fun game nonetheless, but I won't recommend it until it's out of early access. I can't imagine telling my friends to pay $30 for the game and then deal with every single hassle along the way that the volatile code offers.

 
The devs are extremely out of touch with how these things are. I myself am 1048 hours in the game and I didn't know this since A16. Every other early access game I've ever played has never once forced the player to do this. It is purely their fault for giving no information to the player unless you hound the forums which is not how it should work.

The game should detect if the player has an upgraded version and recommend that we delete every file within the launcher, or have a script that does it automatically. It's a shame how buggy and volatile the files are. Every time I personally clean and reinstall a completely new bug appears but the older one isn't there.

I've even went out of my way to get a new drive to put the game on and I'm still always having the same generic issues. It's a real shame how buggy the game is and how poorly it can get handled.

It's still a fun game nonetheless, but I won't recommend it until it's out of early access. I can't imagine telling my friends to pay $30 for the game and then deal with every single hassle along the way that the volatile code offers.
I agree, on that, but i understand the fact that u can also play the version u like.
Automating such procedure could cause even a worst backlash, if they just notified that in the game main menu all users wouls have seen that information.

Actually there is some fun still there, but the good things added in the new version are totally destroyed by the bad things.

 

Sorry another fun fact.
After wiping data and restarting i re-configured my keybindings (as is utterly stupid wheel up -> item down and vice-versa)

Well after re-entering the game i've found all personal keybinds gone, i had to re configure everything from mouse sensitivity (way too high) to keys ....
Are u facing this issue ?
Not to mention the game crashes 15% of the times i try to load a savegame.

 
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It is purely their fault for giving no information to the player unless you hound the forums which is not how it should work.


Actually, all you had to do was read the release notes.
 

Alpha 20 is not compatible with previous Alpha worlds or save game data. New Pregen-Maps have been created and can be used. We also advise that you delete the 7 Days save Game data folder before playing.


https://7daystodie.com/a20-official-release-notes/

The release notes are also linked on Steam.

 
Actually, all you had to do was read the release notes.
 

https://7daystodie.com/a20-official-release-notes/

The release notes are also linked on Steam.


Do you realize that not all players do that, they hit play on steam and just play the game?
You cannot pretend all players to read stuff online, even if official.

An important information should always be in the most viewed place. It's common sense.
It takes litteraly no time to add a message box in the main menu (the right place to put critical information).
Devs can also use such panel to display more info or notes for the players so who does not follow the forum or the dev page will be informed about critical stuff.


 

 
You can read on Steam page and forum announcement. I always read each announcement/version note.

It takes litteraly no time to read these notes on Steam page too

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Do you realize that not all players do that, they hit play on steam and just play the game?
You cannot pretend all players to read stuff online, even if official.

An important information should always be in the most viewed place. It's common sense.
It takes litteraly no time to add a message box in the main menu (the right place to put critical information).
Devs can also use such panel to display more info or notes for the players so who does not follow the forum or the dev page will be informed about critical stuff.


 


People not reading the information presented is not new.

I've people not even read what is on the screen during installation.   (or error messages)

So even having it show the link/info doesn't mean people will read it. (many will not)

I suppose they could put something for first launch with "Did you delete/clean the old data via... bladeeblah",

(I'd put that in, with a followup of "Are you sure?  Just checkin ya know. Baaad things will happen if ya didn't!")

(actually, that would be hilarious if they did put that in. Have the screamer lookin at ya...  heh)

When a new major alpha comes out,  pretty much always wipe the data.

(personally, I just rename the game folder, and copy the savegames out.  Makes it easier to go back to an older alpha.

I still go back to 16.4 and my 8km tunnels from time to time)   :D

RNG btw, is really really brutal this alpha.  The R is really, really random.

Kinda how in 16, one game it's day 50 and no minibike book, make a new game, and it's in the first trashpile you loot. hrmph!  😛

 
Do you realize that not all players do that, they hit play on steam and just play the game?
You cannot pretend all players to read stuff online, even if official.

An important information should always be in the most viewed place. It's common sense.
It takes litteraly no time to add a message box in the main menu (the right place to put critical information).
Devs can also use such panel to display more info or notes for the players so who does not follow the forum or the dev page will be informed about critical stuff.
 


I have to agree generally. Failure management and error correction (in other words the boring stuff) seems to have been neglected somewhat. It should not be necessary to manually delete old generated worlds when those worlds already have versioning information in them.

I don't agree that A20's new features are garbage or that the changes (for example to farming) are bad, but that has been already discussed in other threads. With all the technical problems you had I would also say that you didn't have the time to really try them out and give them a chance.

 
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Do you realize that not all players do that, they hit play on steam and just play the game?
You cannot pretend all players to read stuff online, even if official.

An important information should always be in the most viewed place. It's common sense.
It takes litteraly no time to add a message box in the main menu (the right place to put critical information).
Devs can also use such panel to display more info or notes for the players so who does not follow the forum or the dev page will be informed about critical stuff.


 
The fact of the matter is people just don't read. When I was an SA I could put announcements up in big bold flashing red letters that you had to click ok to get rid of and I would still get the "well nobody told me the system was going down"

 
You can read on Steam page and forum announcement. I always read each announcement/version note.

It takes litteraly no time to read these notes on Steam page too

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Its the same things i said above .... same issue, not all read that, add an in game notification that is where suc info should be!
Again it's common sense.

People not reading the information presented is not new.

I've people not even read what is on the screen during installation.   (or error messages)

So even having it show the link/info doesn't mean people will read it. (many will not)

I suppose they could put something for first launch with "Did you delete/clean the old data via... bladeeblah",

(I'd put that in, with a followup of "Are you sure?  Just checkin ya know. Baaad things will happen if ya didn't!")

(actually, that would be hilarious if they did put that in. Have the screamer lookin at ya...  heh)

When a new major alpha comes out,  pretty much always wipe the data.

(personally, I just rename the game folder, and copy the savegames out.  Makes it easier to go back to an older alpha.

I still go back to 16.4 and my 8km tunnels from time to time)   :D

RNG btw, is really really brutal this alpha.  The R is really, really random.

Kinda how in 16, one game it's day 50 and no minibike book, make a new game, and it's in the first trashpile you loot. hrmph!  😛
Yeah i know that, happens to me too, so i learned that i have to put those info where everybody sees them.
Like a big alert popup in the main application page.

And yes RNG is pretty broken in this version. I fear something is not quite right with seeds.

 

I have to agree generally. Failure management and error correction (in other words the boring stuff) seems to have been neglected somewhat. It should not be necessary to manually delete old generated worlds when those worlds already have versioning information in them.

I don't agree that A20's new features are garbage or that the changes (for example to farming) are bad, but that has been already discussed in other threads. With all the technical problems you had I would also say that you didn't have the time to really try them out and give them a chance.
I think that communication is fundamental. That will help alot not too see such arguments any more.
But i also understand why there is a manual data-wipe, knowing about such thing will help alot.

Not all A20 features are that bad, some are really cool (as shown in the screen below).
But Pipe baton is terrible, whoever though about that kind of weapon clearly knows nothing about weapons and fighting. 
The pipe shotty is useless, why didn't u made a double barrel shotty is beyond me, and the reload animation is painfully slow making such weapon pretty useless.
The pipe pistol suffers the same problem about the reload animation.
The pipe machinegun is way too op, and makes the ak useless (1 pipe and u r repaired ... more less same damage) Why didn't u made the pipe machinegun .... an semi-automatic smg (u know automatic weaps are really hard to make)

The companion dron is 100% pointless, flyng around hiding ur visual ... for what ? ... that drone should not exists in this game.

The new building integrity is just terrible, if 1 ledge breaks all the building collapses.... why ? Just propagate the collapse on "red/orange" integrity voxels ... and not through all the building. 

Farming ... who the hell decided the new farming system ?
U know irl u plant a seed and IF it sprouts ... u will grow a plant capable of generating tons of fruis / veggies with tons of seeds!!!
from 1 seed u can grow a farm if u have enough time.
And there is no such thing as a "potato seed".

Should i go on with the list of "not good new features" ?

And here is the promised screen, the new skin lighting system at it's best (don get me wrong the idea is cool, but u have more important stuff to fix before those worthless aestethics)
 

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EDIT]: thank to another user i just discovered that this game has a laucher (not accessible in steam u have to manually launch it)
There i can wipe data with the automatic procedure.... i wish i knew that b4
There is  literally a box that opens with the option to Play the Game or Run the Launcher EVERYTIME you launch the game.

 
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