PC STILL can't release A20 or even give an ETA?

Been playing since 12.5 

TFP can't stick to a deadline to save their lives. Whatever their first estimate is always tack on 2-3 months to it.

The first estimate for A20 was Halloween weekend.. so start to get impatient by Xmas weekend.

 
Roland said:
I played during those beta releases and despite the difference in how they were named they functioned very similarly to the Steam Early Access Alphas we are playing for this game. I absolutely loved following the development and playing each new version of Minecraft and reading the changelogs and discussing the game with others. When I came to 7 Days to Die in December of 2013 I was hoping that it would be a similar experience. I had never tried an Early Access title before but I was not disappointed. It has been a rewarding and fun journey witnessing all the changes.
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Agreed. Minecraft Beta was VERY similar to 7DTD's current EA status.

I think they did it quite well tbh. :)

 
EzunaAranna said:
By that logic the fewer Alphas that are released on other games must mean more failure.

O no wait....it means in some cases they're doing it right.

GTA 5 - how many Alphas?

Skyrim - same question?

Diablo 1,2,3 - same question?

Even No Mans Sky - same question?

Valheim - same question?

...and many many more.

No - I've been a Programme Manager in IT for 23 years - one Alpha release is acceptable - then a Beta, then Gold. This would be acceptable in a series of Agile sprints over one year. 

This smacks of lack of direction and ineptitude. 

I will put my house on the fact that if any Alpha on Steam could charge at most £5 we'd have seen a Gold release, fully tested and optimised years ago.

Laziness, lack of direction and ineptitude - end of story. Only in the gaming industry could this practice be gotten away with....and so many paying customers excusing this behaviour.

In MY industry - Fintech - miss a deadline and I can't pay my mortgage end of story.
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I love this game, but I think you definitely have a point with your post.  I've been fiddling with this thing since Alpha 4 or something like that, and I'm still amazed at what is going on here.  However, I will defend the TFP as well and mention, I feel this is more of an issue with old school development vs the newer culture of funding active media and active development.  To someone that has been in development and has 23+ years experience, yes...this is totally wrong. 

Ultimately, I feel the terminology should have changed long ago to embrace this method of development. The Alpha, Beta, Gold monikers have little value in the current self funding development, early access, crowd funding world.  I find them somewhat meaningless at this point and I wish to goodness we (gamers and developers) had picked different terminology. 

Anyway, I hope everyone is have a great week.  I'm also looking forward to Alpha 20 when it drops.  

 
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Maharin said:
Alpha 42 is the one I'm waiting for.  I hear it will only run on planet-sized computers.
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That's why we're going back to the moon, to build HUGE gaming computers at the poles in craters so they're always cold ;)

 
I vote we start using security strength hashes as release numbers (so at least thousands of bits long) expressed in base 17.  It would be way less confusing that way.

 
Maharin said:
Alpha 42 is the one I'm waiting for.  I hear it will only run on planet-sized computers.
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OMFG!!!!

You mean Server Towers outside players houses is not gonna be enough anymore 0.o

We have to invade and takeover CCP so we have the workforce to ensure we can run at least one 8 player server.

 
Sydious said:
The immediate dismissal of player concerns and immediate passive aggressive sarcasm of the clique is strong here.
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Because it's a tired pointless topic that doesn't go anywhere. Anyone who has ever been on an early access game's forum has seen this topic 100 times before. You're impatient, you think you could run a company better, [company] are incompetent, [company] are lazy, [company] are scammers, etc etc etc. Oh yeah and also you have like 20 million hours clocked in this garbage game made by lazy incompetent scammers.

The game is like 30 bucks. It's not AAA price, it's not a subscription, you knew it was unfinished when you bought it. It's the price of 1 and a half jugs of beer, you spend more at the pub on a saturday night buying a round for your mates.

At the end of the day TFP are a motley crew of joe shmoes who've formed a games company and happened to have created something really cool and fun that has made them millions. They're not coke snorting Californian yuppies who have a bunch of shareholders breathing down their necks. They're not suddenly going to turn into a AAA company and start crunching overtime and slaving away for 16 hour days just because you are impatient about updates. Their work hours are probably pretty relaxed and they have a good time in their jobs. You're waiting for updates and you'll play it as soon as A20 drops. They've already won. Why would they change this?

This is a business model that has worked very well for them whether you like it or not. They're using 7DTD to develop tech that they'll use in their next unannounced games. Their next games will probably make as much if not more sales. They are set for life and riding a train made of pure gold, and I'm happy for them, they deserve it. There is zero reason for them to change anything about their company whatsoever. You angry nerds with 3000 hours in the game complaining and moaning on the internet will do absolutely nothing, they don't even read it, they don't care.

I'm going to save this post and copy paste it in response to the next thread that gets created

 
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geengaween said:
Because it's a tired pointless topic that doesn't go anywhere. Anyone who has ever been on an early access game's forum has seen this topic 100 times before. You're impatient, you think you could run a company better, [company] are incompetent, [company] are lazy, [company] are scammers, etc etc etc. Oh yeah and also you have like 20 million hours clocked in this garbage game made by lazy incompetent scammers.

The game is like 30 bucks. It's not AAA price, it's not a subscription, you knew it was unfinished when you bought it. It's the price of 1 and a half jugs of beer, you spend more at the pub on a saturday night buying a round for your mates.

At the end of the day TFP are a motley crew of joe shmoes who've formed a games company and happened to have created something really cool and fun that has made them millions. They're not coke snorting Californian yuppies who have a bunch of shareholders breathing down their necks. They're not suddenly going to turn into a AAA company and start crunching overtime and slaving away for 16 hour days just because you are impatient about updates. Their work hours are probably pretty relaxed and they have a good time in their jobs. You're waiting for updates and you'll play it as soon as A20 drops. They've already won. Why would they change this?

This is a business model that has worked very well for them whether you like it or not. They're using 7DTD to develop tech that they'll use in their next unannounced games. Their next games will probably make as much if not more sales. They are set for life and riding a train made of pure gold, and I'm happy for them, they deserve it. There is zero reason for them to change anything about their company whatsoever. You angry nerds with 3000 hours in the game complaining and moaning on the internet will do absolutely nothing, they don't even read it, they don't care.

I'm going to save this post and copy paste it in response to the next thread that gets created
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You know, I've completely ignored this thread because it's just the same old ignorant rhetoric over and over. The complainers never change, and there are precious few of them. They just seem like a lot because they post over-and-over-and-over the same tired crap to no end.

Decided to just peek at the last page for giggles to see where the topic had headed, and I would totally mark this as the topic answer.  (In Steam that would highlight this post directly below the OP's at the top of the thread.)

 
geengaween said:
There is zero reason for them to change anything about their company whatsoever. You angry nerds with 3000 hours in the game complaining and moaning on the internet will do absolutely nothing, they don't even read it, they don't care.

I'm going to save this post and copy paste it in response to the next thread that gets created
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I'm going to save this part...

 
SylenThunder said:
You know, I've completely ignored this thread because it's just the same old ignorant rhetoric over and over.
Yet here you are again...

(P.S.) google ignorant....

The complainers never change, and there are precious few of them. They just seem like a lot because they post over-and-over-and-over the same tired crap to no end.

Yes my less than 300 post since 2013 must cause you sleepless nights....

Decided to just peek at the last page for giggles to see where the topic had headed, and I would totally mark this as the topic answer.

Hope you got a good giggle moderator...

(In Steam that would highlight this post directly below the OP's at the top of the thread.)
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Perhaps you should apply for a job there so you are happy...

 
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I honestly don't understand the 3000 hours and now complain bit.

It's not like a book or film where you are waiting for an ending -  (Hey George R R Martin!- I mean you) 

its an ongoing process where the journey is the enjoyment.

I've played for over 2000 hours, and its been the best £15 I ever spent on a game - 

And I liked Valheim,ARK,Skyrim,Reddead,No Mans sky,   but   7days has still been the best coop  I've ever played,

due to the totally random ermergent stuff where systems combine to make weirdness.

Yeah I'd like the A20 before XMAS  but if it doesn't happen,  we'll get to play sometime early next year.

 
Sydious said:
The immediate dismissal of player concerns and immediate passive aggressive sarcasm of the clique is strong here.
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Perhaps because the OP first has been pretty passive-aggressive, if not purely aggressive and condescendant, themselves in their dismissal of the devs, motivation, schedule and workflow?

Dont dish out medecine you cant take yourself.

And like a real gentleman debating in good faith, once he realized he was completely out of order and looked like a total idiot, he bailed out stating he's right, we're the morons, he said what he had to say and wouldnt bother replying. What's not to love here? Personally, this is nothing short of being an @%$#.

If the "clique" is retaliating like it did in this thread, well im damn happy it shows and speak common sense like that.

 
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EzunaAranna said:
I've been a Programme Manager in IT for 23 years - one Alpha release is acceptable - then a Beta, then Gold. This would be acceptable in a series of Agile sprints over one year.
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With that experience, I don't understand your criticism. You know there are different software development methodologies and project teams can tailor their process. You should know not to get hung up on version numbering/labels and that iterative approaches can be done without Agile sprints. They've got a hybrid approach going. They've been clear about their process and it isn't unprofessional.

We could potentially translate their approach into the terms you'd like. For instance, you might say the version known as "A20" is currently in Alpha testing, with Beta testing (A20-EXP) expected to begin in a matter of weeks, followed eventually by the Gold version of A20 in probably a matter of months. They have the luxury of not having external interfaces and deadlines to meet so they can create contingency time on demand (up to the limits of their funding.)

 
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