PC Zombies is About Hordes and Numbers

The simple reason is simple. If you wanna play with others and there is people who can barely install a game on steam and yet they enjoy gaming. Not everyone who plays games it tech savy. And with the abandoned console version there is a bunch of people that  first came to PC gaming for 7 days. 

Modding isn´t the solution to make a game that has horde in the title to a game that actually deserves that title. That´s the job of the devs tbh.

You can´t just rely on modders to make this a zombie game that actually has zombies.

And not to forget that it will mess up the balance if they game is balanced for default. So that´s just a workaround and not a real solution. It´s half assed. 

 
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pApA^LeGBa said:
The simple reason is simple. If you wanna play with others and there is people who can barely install a game on steam and yet they enjoy gaming. Not everyone who plays games it tech savy. And with the abandoned console version there is a bunch of people that  first came to PC gaming for 7 days. 

Modding isn´t the solution to make a game that has horde in the title to a game that actually deserves that title. That´s the job of the devs tbh.

You can´t just rely on modders to make this a zombie game that actually has zombies.

And not to forget that it will mess up the balance if they game is balanced for default. So that´s just a workaround and not a real solution. It´s half assed. 
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Maybe if you are nice, someone will make a modlet which is easy to install and increase the number of zombies in the world for you.

 
pApA^LeGBa said:
The simple reason is simple. If you wanna play with others and there is people who can barely install a game on steam and yet they enjoy gaming. Not everyone who plays games it tech savy. And with the abandoned console version there is a bunch of people that  first came to PC gaming for 7 days. 

Modding isn´t the solution to make a game that has horde in the title to a game that actually deserves that title. That´s the job of the devs tbh.

You can´t just rely on modders to make this a zombie game that actually has zombies.

And not to forget that it will mess up the balance if they game is balanced for default. So that´s just a workaround and not a real solution. It´s half assed. 
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If multiple people are involved the chance that none of them are able to install one XML only mod on the server (i.e. unpack a zip in a specific directory) is rather small I would say. And only the server needs the mod, everyone else gets it automatically.

With steam workshop this should be even easier in many cases eventually.

By the way, you are arguing here for leaving some people with potato PCs behind so that other people with noob skills are not left behind. Make it an option in the settings and nobody will be left behind.

There is some influence on balance, yes. You waste more ammo and get more xp without more loot. Both makes the game slightly more difficult (in addition to more zombies) which seems ok to me. In other words, I don't see a moderate increase like 2 times the zombies to upset the balance and the upsetting is into the "right direction"

 
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This is my PC gaming history in a nutshell. Never having a top tier PC always gettings things years after release. Yes, i am basically asking to leave a few people behind same as i was always behind for a very long time. And i will be in the same boat again pretty soon, because i am not gonna upgrade for quite while for sure.

Still convinced we are talking about verry few people tough. It runs fine with any older 4 core CPU from around the release date on 2x the spawn. You resolution problem was only to blame on the GPU.  

I just can´t see why releasing a game with an empty world get´s defended so badly. It falls back on TFP beeing a huge design flaw. Will be a point for critics and already is among players. No, feral sense won´t help. 8 zombies per chunk is not enough, even if they will sense and find you.

It´s 12% of people on steam who only have 2 cores btw. So i guess you would leave about 5% of 7 days players behind. Do they really wanna balance the game for the 5%? Even if it´s 10% that a questionable decision tbh.

 
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   I am running old hardware and have had the situation when performance choices come into play. This game has been in dev a long time and basic requirements then are nowhere near basic requirements now. Yes its not feasible for some to upgrade, but at some point things have to move on. Like a lot of people I cant constantly upgrade, but I understand basic requirements change with the hardware and im not sure numbers would support the argument for potato pcs.

     Unity seems to be the problem, without a solution.

   Asking for proper hordes in a horde based game with vanilla settings is not not complaining or asking for too much. If i wished to mod i would be modding.

Empty worlds arent good for anyone and forever hanging on to archaic specs is no solution.

 
Roland said:
Nobody is defending releasing the game with an empty world. If that is what you are getting from the debate then you aren’t reading very well.
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Oh so we are getting more zombies? On default settings that is, where the balancing happens. Otherwise it´s just a half assed work around. 

And yes, saying the numbers need be kept low due to minimum specs, that make like 5% of the playerbase, is defending having an empty world.

 
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saoron666 said:
I think after playing the game for over 1200hrs with max difficulty i still find it very easy from start to late in the game..

this game needs HORDES of zombies! you need numbers of them walking and attacking, surrounding you, getting you cornered!

so you cant run by them! if they surround you, you are done!

imagine a horde of zombies on sprint mode !!!! now we talking survival skills and that run and gun is worth leveling,...

we need to maximize the number of random zombies on the game.
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Been there, done that.  Base defence was like, left-click 8 times, then hit r. Rince and repeat until lag and zombies was gone.

Survival skills, not really. In my opinion, survival actually is to fight as little as possible , or find methods that put you, the player, at as little risk

as possible. In other words, kinda like min/maxing.

Fighting skills, maybe. I'm not denying it gives a certain thrill to run around on the ground at horde night, at least the first times one do it, and most

at the start of the bloodmoon. It's quite fun, but i am not considering it "survival". Just fun.

Even if this game become super-optimized to support massive hordes, players will adept their fighting style to match the horde sizes. Explosives can be

quite useful for large zombie gatherings.

It's quite some time ago i had fun with those massive hordes. It was in multiplayer too. And, it was where i first learned how to run and club zombies.
And, yes. That image just shows a roaming horde... not bloodmoon horde. Hiding image behind spoiler tag to not steal this thread entirely.

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I keep hearing this is a zombie horde game. Its not. It is nothing like Left for Dead or Days Gone. This is and has always been a survival crafting RPG in a zombie apoc setting.

When did the devs ever say this was a zombie horde game?

 
warmer said:
When did the devs ever say this was a zombie horde game?
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On the Steam store page where the game is sold.

pApA^LeGBa said:
Oh so we are getting more zombies? On default settings that is, where the balancing happens. Otherwise it´s just a half assed work around.
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We are getting more zombies in defined areas of the world. Downtown areas will have more zombies with a shorter respawn rate. Its a first step.

pApA^LeGBa said:
And yes, saying the numbers need be kept low due to minimum specs, that make like 5% of the playerbase, is defending having an empty world.
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Explaining why is not the same as defending. Defending carries with it a connotation that I prefer an empty world and want it to remain empty and that isn't true. I authored a pretty popular thread for the purpose of helping as many people as possible to get more zombies into their games. But I'm not going to avoid the truth just because it is an unhappy truth.

 
@Roland You know, nitpicking on a choice of words in a forum with people from different nations is a waste of time. I am 100% sure you exactly know what i mean when i say defending an empty world.

 
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pApA^LeGBa said:
@Roland You know, nitpicking on a choice of words in a forum with people from different nations is a waste of time. I am 100% sure you exactly know what i mean when i say defending an empty world.
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No I don't and I get accused for mindlessly defending unpopular aspects of the game enough that it is important to me to make my stance clear. Thus I'm drawing a distinction regardless of whether you think it is nitpicky. Besides, I would say that where a language barrier could exist it is more important to make sure everyone is using the same definitions for their words.

 
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You have no clue what i am talking about? Ok. we can go on and waste more time even when i am sure you get what i mean.

By saying the numbers need to be kept low, wich results in an empty world, you might not actually defend the empty world but you defend the necessity of it. Wich shortly said is kind of defending an empty world.

Jeez.

 
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pApA^LeGBa said:
but you defend the necessity of it
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Explain the necessity of it without condemnation or praise. Much like I can explain the necessity of oxygen for breathing. I'm not defending the idea of you jumping into a pool and taking a big breath while submerged. I'm just explaining that it won't work out well for you if you do.

I simply gave the reason which you may or may not agree with or like or dislike. I certainly wish we had more zombies and hope they are able to increase those numbers before the game is finalized.

Look, if your translation program keeps spitting out "defend" for whatever word you are using then get a new program... jeez.

 
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   So would the same reasons account for  nerfed map sizes and limited range of poi on a map, the 3 same poi on the same street.?

 The big maps, large numbers seem so long ago ( shut up! I'm not crying!!!! )

I'm not defending the idea of you jumping into a pool and taking a big breath while submerged.
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    Harsh but funny.....

 
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Well ok. Explaining would be to tell why it is that way. But saying it can´t be changed due to minimum specs when those are outdated and that part of players isn´t even 5%, is defending it.

 
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It´s on the offical homepage, right on top. Also i believe it´s in the offical trailers and videos, not sure about that tough. @warmer

Edit: You even posted the link. It says "The Survival Horde Crafting Game" in big red letters. And it is in the offical trailer right at the end.

 
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