PC Please REMOVE the Strip Club POI

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strip clubs exist in the world. why cant they exist in the game world? just like the real world. you aren't forced to go to them

 
wow 

Lots of men talking about things that they think women want and once again seem to have left them out of the conversation

Haven't seen many responses from women in here but then again maybe their next shift at the strip club is coming up so can't respond at this time. ;)

 
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Leave it in...

Tired of games being Homogenized and sterile of any identity.   This is the Fun Pimps, things are going to be tongue and cheek funny, with belches and farts and tropes.  Stick to your guns TFP.   And if that offends someone reading this, you have a right to be offended.

Thank you.

 
Gobarg said:
wow 

Lots of men talking about things that they think women want and once again seem to have left them out of the conversation

Haven't seen many responses from women in here but then again maybe their next shift at the strip club is coming up so can't respond at this time. ;)
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I'd be curious to know what women would think if they added a male strip club to the game to balance it out.

 
Roland said:
Well that's not completely true. :)  While most people (male or female) accept as a reality of life that strip clubs exist somewhere-- even within their own city, most would probably not want one to open up in or too near to their own neighborhood. So there is probably at least a little bit bad about them in the minds of most people. 

But...even though I wouldn't want one in or near my own neighborhood in real life, I have no problem with them being in the game. I mean they are not even depicted as being in business but are instead closed and boarded up like everything else in the post apocalypse except for the Trader stations. But even if the Duke's casino gets added and if there is a currently operating stripper club in that casino, I wouldn't be against that being in the game. Just like life, we simply avoid places we don't want to go if we feel that it is wrong to go there. I think the game is better for presenting moral dilemmas and choices-- not just to the character but to the player. If a person has a moral code that prohibits them from going to a strip club then there should be no problem with one being in the game. They just need to follow their moral code. If they are afraid they might be weak willed in keeping to their code then they can mod out the POI or just move on to a game that doesn't make them face their inner demons. Everyone is different. I have a friend who is an alcoholic and he won't everr enter a bar again for the rest of his life because he doesn't want to walk the edge of the cliff and feels more secure staying well back and away from the temptation to break his promise. Others with a stronger will could probably sit in a bar easily and stick to their vow to never drink again. 
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The more strip clubs the better!  My wife and I recently got our picture taken with Joanna Angel.  Joanna was feature dancing at a local club, it was a good time!  

 
I've tried to avoid this subject, for political reasons because women seem to be overlooked quite a bit in a lot of hot button topics that are absolutely related to women.

I will not speak for them. 

However, I would like to point out that human history is rife WITH the exploitation of women (and others, with or without their permission) and to erase any semblance of that historical exploitation (with or without their permission) is literally just as bad as saying it never existed.   I have personally observed that some of these things serve a purpose to be a trophy for the things that they have overcome.  A fine example of this is how Tina Turner kept her last name after dumping Ike, because she fought so hard to keep it.   Its not a universal practice, but wouldn't it be best to teach our children how flawed we are, with the intent to give them examples of how better to treat each other regardless of the circumstances that created such division?

 
Listening said:
Women have to cope and accept sexism in all its forms all the time. Agreed, this is not an in your face issue. It is part of a general societal position objectifying women. 
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As a woman, i want to chime in. 

I understand you being a father of girls has changed your perspective.

However, as a woman i know places like strip-clubs and brothels help to keep aggression towards women down.

In countries where they are outlawed or nonexistent the cases of @%$# and other violent acts towards women are way higher then countries where they are allowed, and even less when they are regulated.

Therefore i have no problems seeing them in real life or in games.

They perform a function, and have a place in every civilisation.

If your girls are old enough to play this game, they are already old enough to understand this. 

 
geengaween said:
+1 for @%$# bar, it should be a city PoI with a name like KY's Backdoor Barn or Lickety Split or The Manhole
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Those are some great names, ty. Lol

Minzer said:
As a woman, i want to chime in. 

I understand you being a father of girls has changed your perspective.

However, as a woman i know places like strip-clubs and brothels help to keep aggression towards women down.

In countries where they are outlawed or nonexistent the cases of @%$# and other violent acts towards women are way higher then countries where they are allowed, and even less when they are regulated.

Therefore i have no problems seeing them in real life or in games.

They perform a function, and have a place in every civilisation.

If your girls are old enough to play this game, they are already old enough to understand this. 
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I agree if your kids are old enough to play this game, then they should be old enough to have a sit down to talk about what a strip club is based on your moral  beliefs.

 
Maharin said:
I'd be curious to know what women would think if they added a male strip club to the game to balance it out.
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A male strip club would be hilariously awesome.  Just overloaded with lumberjack zombies, even in the desert biom.

Omnimetatron said:
Of course! There should totally be a LGTB bar too. Village People FTW! Represent all type of people, include everyone. Even the left-handed...
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We got construction workers, and cops....got a biker dude wearing leather but needs to change the hat...they have talked about adding the native american casino right Roland?..........so The Chief is not far off maybe.  I say they do this, probably public domain by now anyways.

I wanna see the infected do YMCA on Horde night.

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Listening said:
So this is going to going to be controversial, but shouldn't be. There is currently a couple of POI's that are of concern, but the Strip Club is the biggy. I've been considering this post for some time but on seeing some of the A20 previews it seems like they are making more variations on this POI and therefore time to step up.

Note, I am the father of young women who love this kind of game. But I dont feel comfortable with the mysoginistic imagery of the Strip Club. Corpes of women in cages exaserbate the impact of a place that is all about objectification of women.

A test for this sort of thing, in my mind, is to consider if the game was designed by women would the POI have made it in. Fairly sure it wouldn't.

I do sense that TFP's do have some awareness of the issue. Female characters are getting better outfits; Stripper has actual clothes, nurse getting a typical gender neutral outfit rather have some cliche from the 50's (although every female character now has very large breasts which is also a real image issue for women). 

Please consider this feedback seriously. While the expectation is that the games market is male why put up barriers to females. More players equals more sales and a better community.

If you read this and agree please speak up.
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Here's a better idea.

Stop being offended on the behalf of women and let them speak for themselves. If people CHOOSE to work in that field, that's up to them. They don't need you making stupid claims about it being misogynistic and speaking for them.

Also, it's an adult rated game. Get over it.

 
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