PC Please REMOVE the Strip Club POI

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The 2 women in our group love it. On youtube there was a series of 3 female gamers choosing it as their base.

Not all women have a problem with this POI. In fact this is the first occasion during 8 years that i see anyone having a problem with this.

I ask myself, do you speak up against strip clubs in RL? Are you taking actions to get them closed?

@Gazz Once you are over 40, everyone under 30 is young. She could be 25 for all we know. Young women isn´t a term i would use to describe a minor tbh.

 
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A little more variety in strip clubs would be nice. More pillowfights, more chalkboards, more pompoms, etc. Just minor things really but I think it would help spice things up. The buffet could use some work too. Overall I give the POI 7.5/10 tassels.

On a more serious note 7D2D is in Alpha so it's not officially rated by the ESRB but we all know it's going to get that M for Mature. Steam even warns that it "May Contain Content Inappropriate for Children".

 
If problems would go away if we just don't mention them then removing that strip club in the game (and removing Guernica from the museum among other silly actions) would serve a purpose. Since it really doesn't (IMHO), the only purpose would be to give you (and seemingly you alone) a clear concience letting your young women play the game.

If objectification were the root of all evil to women, there wouldn't have been sex workers in puritan times. If objectification were the root of all evil we would have to change advertising as the most pervasive form of objectification.

I have my doubts whether a strip club shown in the game is objectification at all, as it shows the problem but never the women working there.

The alternative I would suggest is

1) Explain to your young women how sex workers are often exploited (beyond just objectification)

2) Try to improve the rights of sex workers in real life, not in games.

 
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Im genuinely surprised he didnt complained about Trader Jen. Yet.

TC, your point of view isnt guidelines the Pimps should unquestionably follow because you think you're right. Or offended. Its just a perception. Or course there's forms of objectification in this world but women arent forced to work in strip clubs and most of them legitimately choose to perform as strippers. So not only you try caps-lock dictate what the Pimps should do with their own game, but you also state that strippers are poor victims of the mean males who get in clubs to admire them.

This is what the woke end of activism doesnt get : men look at women, women look at men. We all objectify a certain person to be the focus of our desires. This is life. And this will never change. Oh and btw, yes, this is cancel culture. Wokes are always denying it when being called out about it and now claim its a made-up term lol.

Anyways, you already have been told that you can remove the club yourself, and you even did! So, what do you want more?

If im offended by the way you elevate yourself above others as being morally superior and that you instruct people how to think the way you think, can i ask you to REMOVE your topic?

 
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Kyonshi said:
This is what the woke end of activism doesnt get.
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Has nothing do with beeing woke or not. A lot people beeing against things like stripclubs and such are simply conservatives and/or religious. They already were against those things way before the people who created the word "woke" were born.

It´s the same category as fanboi or white knight. Mostly used as an insult wich shows a lack of discussion culture imo. Also usually shows a lack of arguments.

 
Sarakatunga said:
An unnecessary post there are more important things that have to be fixed.
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More than one thing can be worked on at a time and this is hardly the worst offender of "unnecessary posts".  Take most of my posts as Exhibit A.

The biggest mistakes the OP made are assuming their opinion is matched by all women and that they have any say about what women think to begin with.  He (I'm assuming at this point the OP is a he) is an armchair warrior in a battle that should not extend into the unreality of 7DTD.  I'm in a family with strong women and they much prefer to talk for themselves.

 
by the way the zombieStandardStripper was removed for such a case ?. Did they delete the model? by the way, I didn't care. But my two sisters who are fans of this game complained.

 
Sarakatunga said:
by the way the zombieStandardStripper was removed for such a case ?. Did they delete the model? by the way, I didn't care. But my two sisters who are fans of this game complained.
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For clarification, did they complain of the removal or complain it was there in the first place?

 
pApA^LeGBa said:
Has nothing do with beeing woke or not. A lot people beeing against things like stripclubs and such are simply conservatives and/or religious. They already were against those things way before the people who created the word "woke" were born.

It´s the same category as fanboi or white knight. Mostly used as an insult wich shows a lack of discussion culture imo. Also usually shows a lack of arguments.
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Although yes, conservatives and fundamentalist, religious people are far from being supportive of strip clubs, the current P-C driven trend of woke people is to muzzle and shut down anything that they decide isnt appropriate to their standards, without consideration for opinions that differ from theirs. It seems to portrait this rigid ideology that they're victims of everything and that a single person or minority being offended by something holds moral highground above anything that could undermine or question their motives.

In other words, they're immaculate because they believe they're right. They also cant accept that other people see them in a certain way and particularly dont like the term "woke" because its of course offending and it either a made-up term or considered and "insult".

 
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Maharin said:
More than one thing can be worked on at a time and this is hardly the worst offender of "unnecessary posts".  Take most of my posts as Exhibit A.

The biggest mistakes the OP made are assuming their opinion is matched by all women and that they have any say about what women think to begin with.  He (I'm assuming at this point the OP is a he) is an armchair warrior in a battle that should not extend into the unreality of 7DTD.  I'm in a family with strong women and they much prefer to talk for themselves.
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That's why I said that it was unnecessary now it will be filled with insults with some 1000 pages ... haha

 
If strip clubs didn't exist in all? US states, and they were only found *rarely* and you had to go through back channels to get into one... maybe it wouldn't fit the game.

There are a lot of places like this that aren't in the game because it wouldn't make sense to put them in, and it would also likely rub too many people the wrong way. TFP seems to be trying to make the game "sort of normal" in terms of buildings ( while adding a touch of ... whimsy for the building names). 

They didn't (and apparently wont ever) put baby zombies in the game. So its not like they're trying to go the full distance of horror or "in your face" aspects to produce shock value.  I want these zombies (personally) because they would actually exist in a "real" zed apocalypse, but more importantly, they would give a lot more "height differences" for things I have to shoot at.  The crawlers and spider help with this a bit though.  but if I want the kids/babies variations, I'm going to have to mod them in myself ( per other posts suggestions above for making game changes)

They haven't tried to add a lot of "worse" (and also highly unlikely, but real) POI's to amp up the "danger/visceral effect" like brothels, or "drug dens", or "torture chambers/sex dungeons", and "many bedrooms and basements have obvious suicides" and such.  There are a few "mini terror stories" baked into the POI's but its not like they try to go to go the distance and really shove the worst of humanity in your face every time you go into a building, especially if it doesn't fit with the "theme" of the game.  For example: they have "corpse burn/disposal piles" here and there, a noose shows up every now and then, there's a few "cult" dens but that fits the game given humanity fell to zombies.

Also:  Only 1 girl has big (medium size?) boobs that move (the rest don't) and this is kinda normal.  There's a few "high BMI" dudes (and dude jiggling), 1 "high BMI" female and some "stereotypical" ways of representing them too, so they're not completely trying to make it all about the boob physics.  My best guess is yeah, someone wanted zeds to have realistic (but computationally and labor cheap) body motions, and boobs and bellies were obvious places to test it out.

Also: One could argue to remove all the churches as they were offensive to some people... but they are everywhere in the US, so you expect to find a church.  Of course... which religion? I mean, they all have crosses in them, so they're really not showing the true types of churches you normally find... but then again, they kinda do (stereo-typically) for the US and the area the game is staged in and there's only so much you nuance you can put into a game world when all you really need is some structure and "the most recognizable" type of stuff.  "We need some churches" is probably about as far as it was discussed.  You could even remove the crosses in the churches to try to "fix" it and it would likely just make it look more wrong.

Also: back to the boobs. If there were a lot more zombie models (like 100), and they all had the same boob size/physics (or even larger and more obvious) and the same handful of stereotypes I would take OP's side a bit more, but since they zed "type count" is very low, and its not all about/on the boobs for every female, I can't see it as much as an issue as they need to get as much bang for the buck out of the handful of zed models they have.  The original (take your pick) zombie stripper had more nudity (and looked a lot more....rough.  The current one is more of "girl who went out to party and got bitten") and the only reason I had minor issue with the original (as a default in the game) was for poor game streamers who *might* get flagged due to nudity.

In conclusion: If strip clubs and boob wiggle were more morally offensive in the US (or where the game location were set in) and were highly regulated/banned and were less prevalent, then I would highly bet it would not be in the game.

 
Honestly i understand his point and he's a little right. 

Games with zombies you can put in 3 category - 1. serious- dying light , the last of us , days gone, resident evil , cod waw- some jokes but 90% is serious sometimes gore and depresing, a lot of info about this world  2. gameplay focused : l4d2, world war z , cod advance warfare  world in this game is just backstage for gameplay but you can find info about this world. 3. parody- dead rising 4, cod infinity warfare, kiling floor ( i know: clone =/= zombies but it was realesed in this same time with l4d so diffrent types of enemies was neccesary to avoid "bootleg"), plants vs zombies.

And there is my problem with 7dtd : it's looks like - we are doing game similiar to f.e.a.r or dead space but it's sandbox. But after few years we change our plans and we are going to make something like cod- realistic graphic but it can't be taken seriouse.

Strip club suit very good for this 1 setting - well i think when zombie outbreak happen few  strip club was opened.  We have "bike bars", small restaurant  in "road 66 style" etc perfect setting for seriouse game- but we will get junk's guns, teddy head on dron (and drones), new "unked' models of guns , change marksman into lever gun etc.

Honestly : after first alphas what i expected - zombie teens, destroyed evac centres, pits with burned corpeses, hanging bodies, maybe  soldiers , bandits - some of them looking like typical civilians some of them like dunno crazy clowns , cultists etc.

What we get?: something like what if we mixed mortal machines, mad max and zombieland.

This is just inconsistet in my opinion - strip club and strip are good and people will love it but zombie teens too controversial. The best "example" of this is rope on one of the tree but without body to be not controvesrial but to have "seriouse" setting.

Tfp devs- 7dtd is rly good game in gameplay and graphic meaning and  anyone can say you put a lot of work in this gam  but it is just too safe and have kinda generic setting.

 
I think they have the "jiggle tech" down how they need it. I mean on the dev stream when it was mentioned, there was an overwhelming surge of comments on if it would be on Jen. The dev piped in how is she affected by it? She is standing still. Not like she is on a treadmill. I thought that made sense. No movement, no jiggle.

 
hiemfire said:
Account 3 hours old. Only posts are on this thread, all of which fall squarely into the mantra of one of the current hardline political factions in the US. @Roland, @meganoth, or whichever mod may be perusing this, could we please get this thread locked before it follows the inevitable rails much further.
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So what?  I have been playing this game for years and viewing the forum for the same amount, just never posted anything until I saw this cancel culture BS going on. 🤠

 
Matt115 said:
Honestly i understand his point and he's a little right. 

Games with zombies you can put in 3 category - 1. serious- dying light , the last of us , days gone, resident evil , cod waw- some jokes but 90% is serious sometimes gore and depresing, a lot of info about this world  2. gameplay focused : l4d2, world war z , cod advance warfare  world in this game is just backstage for gameplay but you can find info about this world. 3. parody- dead rising 4, cod infinity warfare, kiling floor ( i know: clone =/= zombies but it was realesed in this same time with l4d so diffrent types of enemies was neccesary to avoid "bootleg"), plants vs zombies.

And there is my problem with 7dtd : it's looks like - we are doing game similiar to f.e.a.r or dead space but it's sandbox. But after few years we change our plans and we are going to make something like cod- realistic graphic but it can't be taken seriouse.

Strip club suit very good for this 1 setting - well i think when zombie outbreak happen few  strip club was opened.  We have "bike bars", small restaurant  in "road 66 style" etc perfect setting for seriouse game- but we will get junk's guns, teddy head on dron (and drones), new "unked' models of guns , change marksman into lever gun etc.

Honestly : after first alphas what i expected - zombie teens, destroyed evac centres, pits with burned corpeses, hanging bodies, maybe  soldiers , bandits - some of them looking like typical civilians some of them like dunno crazy clowns , cultists etc.

What we get?: something like what if we mixed mortal machines, mad max and zombieland.

This is just inconsistet in my opinion - strip club and strip are good and people will love it but zombie teens too controversial. The best "example" of this is rope on one of the tree but without body to be not controvesrial but to have "seriouse" setting.

Tfp devs- 7dtd is rly good game in gameplay and graphic meaning and  anyone can say you put a lot of work in this gam  but it is just too safe and have kinda generic setting.
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You're not really following TC train of thought if you're saying strip clubs are out of context only due to the setting you personally believe 7DTD happens into. TC states is opinion based on political correctness, you're not really talking about the same thing.

The Pimps said they dont wanna put kid zombies because they themselves dont feel good about doing so, not because of the fear of potential outrage it could cause. But other studios did it, notably Visceral in Dead Space 1 and more in Dead Space 2, where you have baby and teenage necromorphs that you have to kill.

The noose attached to a tree in the backyard of one of the houses is a reference to The Conjuring movie i believe. At least it does look like it. And what if there would still be a corpse hanging on it? It fits in the apocalyptic tone of 7DTD and this is a recurring element in such setting, just like in the Walking Dead, from which this game is directly inspired of. If someone would be offended by that, it would be because they decided to go along their offended feelings and not because the Pimps deliberately tried to offend people or to downplay the issue of suicide. Like TC is insinuating.

 
Listening said:
Так что это будет спорным, но не должно быть. В настоящее время есть несколько точек интереса, которые вызывают беспокойство, но Стриптиз-клуб - самый важный. Я некоторое время обдумывал этот пост, но, увидев некоторые превью A20, мне кажется, что они делают больше вариаций этого POI, и, следовательно, пора сделать шаг вперед.

Заметьте, я отец молодых женщин, которые любят такие игры. Но меня не устраивают мистические образы стриптиз-клуба. Трупы женщин в клетках усугубляют влияние места, которое полностью посвящено объективизации женщин.

На мой взгляд, проверка для такого рода вещей состоит в том, чтобы подумать, если бы игра была разработана женщинами, попала бы в нее POI. Совершенно уверен, что нет.

Я чувствую, что TFP в некоторой степени осведомлены об этой проблеме. Женские персонажи получают лучшие наряды; У стриптизерши настоящая одежда, у медсестры типичный гендерно-нейтральный наряд, скорее, есть какой-то клише из 50-х (хотя теперь у каждого женского персонажа очень большая грудь, что также является реальной проблемой для имиджа для женщин). 

Пожалуйста, отнеситесь к этому отзыву серьезно. Хотя ожидается, что рынок игр мужской, зачем ставить барьеры для женщин. Больше игроков означает больше продаж и лучшее сообщество.

Если вы прочитали это и согласны, пожалуйста, сообщите об этом.
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Concerning the objectification of women. I'll probably tell you a secret, but all women working in strip clubs, escort girls and the rest of the similar industry go there at will. No one can force women to do this (this is prohibited by law) and, accordingly, such locations in games are not something depressing.

As for the caged corpses. If you played the game, you probably managed to notice that the action takes place in the apocalypse, where the dead devour people. Details like this add to the atmosphere.

Big breasts at the stripper. This is a game, in games all the characters are fictional, so they cannot offend anyone. If a woman weighing 100 kilograms, who does nothing to change her position, says that the game character offends her, then this is her problem, why everyone should adapt to her. I have never seen men ask to remove this or that character, because he is too pumped up, handsome and generally does not exist.

In my own words, I want to convey that the sexualization of women in games is nonsense, and if you do not want your daughters to play games with such disgusting content, then just forbid them to play this game. Why does everyone else have to adjust to you?

 
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