PC why is the Machete called a Machete

[Lord Gem]

well honestly topsic on this forum going sometimes strange so i will continue : honestly there is a lot of secret labs, camps etc so it's looks that military guns will be quiet common. and this area was nuked - messiah shotgun probly was probably making 80 % guns for military and rest for civilians. so M16 could be better option, ofc bandits like Duke's mans could have AK47 but i think military will be still common in this region.  Honestly NPC in zombies games are most annoying thing - days gone they were annoying enemies and there was too much of them so in my opinion humans should be extreme rare in 7dtd. What about shape? Probably "post apo design"  of machete. btw honestly  bayonet could be good idea but not good for gameplay so i think it was just " hey steve there is machete in l4d2. Yeah this could be good tier 3 knife. Remember this film with Treyo? This ugly guy? yeah so copy his machete with few change to looks more post apo. Well this is good idea okay."

Ok just to make sure you do realize for the very greater part that the M16 is no longer use by combat troops of the USA , and the Machete use by his character is the normal shape of the North and South America, while the one used by the Gurkhas is a substantially different shape, I've include picture of both so you can see the difference

 

[Matt115]

Ok just to make sure you do realize for the very greater part that the M16 is no longer use by combat troops of the USA , and the Machete use by his character is the normal shape of the North and South America, while the one used by the Gurkhas is a substantially different shape, I've include picture of both so you can see the difference

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Yeah but m60 if i good remember too but i'm 99% sure they keep them still so "conscripts" will get them ( and m1 garands , m14 and more and more). so this is quiet the most american gun (modern) it would suit better that ak 47 - so m60 suits well (l4d2 have this too) mp5 yeah  this was popular guns for "american soldier" in movies.  Ofc 7dtw can't have 100 models of guns so m16 better suit in my opinion - i think find dead american soldier with ak47 in secret lab could be strange. Ofc usa army change guns but i think for example MK 16, KH416 etc could be added because law ( nobody want to be sue by big company with lawyers right?). So if this game have place in germany lmg would be mg3 because of that 

My mistake - i mean Victor Reznov'machete from cod WaW - honestly i was sure Treyo use this same machete in call of the dead cutscene (well mandela effect) . 

 

[Matt115]

okay if found  this: it's looks more similiar too 7dtd machete that nepal version

 

[Lord Gem]

Ok just to clarify the air, I am an ex-military of the Canadian Armed Forces from the 80's....so my knowledge is dated, I believe the current designation for the combat arm of the US military right now is the M4, the M1 Garand was the rifle from WW2 bolt action with a 9 round strip clip to reload....a very good gun for it's time. I do think .....and this is just a opinion because I have not researched it, but I believe the only use the M16 for training battalion and National Guard reserve units, quite possibly for the Marines as they only get hand me downs from the Ordinance Corp of the Army in charge of their supply and only if the Nave is allowing them more them bows and arrows this month, ( for those of you that cannot figure it out this is a joke that most Marines will recognize). I do see the little knife that is inside Machetes coat and yes it is similar shape but not quite as curved or long as the one in 7 Days to Die, of course the one I choose for my example is the full size version of the Kukri, not the normal 12" one of the Regiment. Unfortunately most people have only video games and movies to go by and don't understand the heritage that comes with certain weapons, and it is for that reason as well as to see if the developers would answer as to why they choose this particular shape to be the Machete. As well I would ask where you were from because the last time there was a draft or conscripting in the USA was the 60 and 70's for the vietnam war, I do believe all of their armed forces are volunteers.

To be fair, the Kukuri is a form of machete. So is a lightly sharpened flat stick of metal with a rag for a handle. (Have seen this in Southern Mexico and Brazil)
IMHO we could have a couple of flavors, just like we do for the knife. Bone shiv > Basic machete > hunting knife > Kukuri machete. 

I did not realize you were a moderator till I was looking at your avatar other than your message.....yes it would be nice to have several versions of the machete .....and yes the ease of using, modifying and caring for the Kalashnikovs, not to mention that everyone in the States seems to have one would make it my initial source if I was looking in the end of days....lol....Great Game

 

[Matt115]

Ok just to clarify the air, I am an ex-military of the Canadian Armed Forces from the 80's....so my knowledge is dated, I believe the current designation for the combat arm of the US military right now is the M4, the M1 Garand was the rifle from WW2 bolt action with a 9 round strip clip to reload....a very good gun for it's time. I do think .....and this is just a opinion because I have not researched it, but I believe the only use the M16 for training battalion and National Guard reserve units, quite possibly for the Marines as they only get hand me downs from the Ordinance Corp of the Army in charge of their supply and only if the Nave is allowing them more them bows and arrows this month, ( for those of you that cannot figure it out this is a joke that most Marines will recognize). I do see the little knife that is inside Machetes coat and yes it is similar shape but not quite as curved or long as the one in 7 Days to Die, of course the one I choose for my example is the full size version of the Kukri, not the normal 12" one of the Regiment. Unfortunately most people have only video games and movies to go by and don't understand the heritage that comes with certain weapons, and it is for that reason as well as to see if the developers would answer as to why they choose this particular shape to be the Machete. As well I would ask where you were from because the last time there was a draft or conscripting in the USA was the 60 and 70's for the vietnam war, I do believe all of their armed forces are volunteers.

i'm from Poland and we talk about "zombie situation" not typical enemy like russians - cops send redneck to fight with zombies in 1978 dawn of the dead and probably in l4d2 (this is theory) so well against zombies everyone is soldier and usefull.  Now about guns  - i mean more as "aestetic and if we can use this for free" stuff that technical stuff- honestly in Poland before WW2 we had +- diffrent bolt action rifles. So it was a mess. 

And why M16 could be better in 7dtd ? because" eastetic" - the best example will be Military Base | Painkiller Wiki | Fandom it have even similiar graphic. 

M16 suits to USA army , survivors and PMC.  MP5 this + bandits. AK47 to "exsoviet" countries and africa. 

In cod WW2 you can find on omaha beach ppsh . In next mission- SWT.  If it could be there? yeah but not in such a number - but G43 is missing and that's hurt a lot. 

in cod cw in firebase Z you have OMEGA soldiers ( special unit of KGB) with american gun ( it could use it ofc but it's looks stupid).

In contagion you can find M1 garand and it'suits good - you have old houses, guns shops etc. it's looks logical - but mp40 could looks stupid. 

In cod MW2019 you have K98 and MG34 - okay this have sense - a lot of this guns were send on east. But blunderbuss would not suit good right?

Honestly it is shame that a lof of vietnam games doean't have for example mosin , ppsh for vietcong. But it understand why so they put the most iconic guns. 

Do you know that Valve add to L4D2 cars from 60-80' because of law? 

So - AK 47 could be better after nukes but M16 more suit to this setting.

I think they add this shapes because it's looks rly cool and "post apo"

 

[JCrook1028]

But the facts exist because of the ease of obtaining and modifying the AK- 47 it is still the most common assault rifle available to the common citizen, apparently when different groups defend themselves they cite the need to use fully automatic rifles for hunting.

Em Canadian military and you think the AK's found in the US are "assault" weapons? Nope, no full auto, just plain old semi auto rifles. As for the hunting with full auto? Again either showing your own ignorance or pushing an agenda. I assume you're referring to the AR15 - not full auto either. Stop with the uninformed BS please. Especially when throwing in that you're ex-mil. Someone gullible may actually think you're speaking truth.

 

[seagas]

Ok just to clarify the air, I am an ex-military of the Canadian Armed Forces from the 80's....so my knowledge is dated, I believe the current designation for the combat arm of the US military right now is the M4, the M1 Garand was the rifle from WW2 bolt action with a 9 round strip clip to reload....a very good gun for it's time. I do think .....SNIP

Just to clarify, the M1 Garand is an eight shot semi-automatic rifle. So in the same league as the sniper rifle in 7D2D.

 

[Lord Gem]

Em Canadian military and you think the AK's found in the US are "assault" weapons? Nope, no full auto, just plain old semi auto rifles. As for the hunting with full auto? Again either showing your own ignorance or pushing an agenda. I assume you're referring to the AR15 - not full auto either. Stop with the uninformed BS please. Especially when throwing in that you're ex-mil. Someone gullible may actually think you're speaking truth.

hello to you too.....first I never said the AK-47 could be found fully automatic.....but it conversion is another matter, as to the AR-15, of which I own the one my grandfather used in WW2 I didn't even bring that up....I am retired ex Canadian Force Master Chief Warrant Officer and the part of the full automatic hunting is a joke I share with some friend from the states that are either currently or ex marines ....all though they will tell you there is no such thing.....the person I was talking to was from Poland and believe that not only is the US military armed with the M16 rifle but that you conscript your soldiers, but then I am saying you when you probably don't  and have never served in the military or you would understand, not only what I said but why I said it 

Just to clarify, the M1 Garand is an eight shot semi-automatic rifle. So in the same league as the sniper rifle in 7D2D.

Hello Seagas...my mistake you are correct that it is an eight enblock reload strip.....I am not nor do I pretend to be an expert on rifles.....I have never gotten a sniper rifle in the game.....but you are right that once fired the Garand loads the nest round without have a bolt action like the previous Springfield.....at the time it was issued it was though to be a mickey mouse piece of ■■■■ ( to be polite)....but thank you for pointing out my error.....now does anyone want to comment on my original question about the Machete

 

[Matt115]

hello to you too.....first I never said the AK-47 could be found fully automatic.....but it conversion is another matter, as to the AR-15, of which I own the one my grandfather used in WW2 I didn't even bring that up....I am retired ex Canadian Force Master Chief Warrant Officer and the part of the full automatic hunting is a joke I share with some friend from the states that are either currently or ex marines ....all though they will tell you there is no such thing.....the person I was talking to was from Poland and believe that not only is the US military armed with the M16 rifle but that you conscript your soldiers, but then I am saying you when you probably don't  and have never served in the military or you would understand, not only what I said but why I said it 

Hello Seagas...my mistake you are correct that it is an eight enblock reload strip.....I am not nor do I pretend to be an expert on rifles.....I have never gotten a sniper rifle in the game.....but you are right that once fired the Garand loads the nest round without have a bolt action like the previous Springfield.....at the time it was issued it was though to be a mickey mouse piece of ■■■■ ( to be polite)....but thank you for pointing out my error.....now does anyone want to comment on my original question about the Machete

Well my opinion is : well things must suit with setting of game 

 

[Lord Gem]

You have to consider ease of repair as well. An AK-47 is much less likely to require servicing than an M16. It's also considerably easier to clean and maintain without considerable training. Given there are probably about the same number of both in the US, the AK is more accessible because the majority of them aren't owned by the military. 

hello to you too.....first I never said the AK-47 could be found fully automatic.....but it conversion is another matter, as to the AR-15, of which I own the one my grandfather used in WW2 I didn't even bring that up....I am retired ex Canadian Force Master Chief Warrant Officer and the part of the full automatic hunting is a joke I share with some friend from the states that are either currently or ex marines ....all though they will tell you there is no such thing.....the person I was talking to was from Poland and believe that not only is the US military armed with the M16 rifle but that you conscript your soldiers, but then I am saying you when you probably don't  and have never served in the military or you would understand, not only what I said but why I said it 

Hello Seagas...my mistake you are correct that it is an eight enblock reload strip.....I am not nor do I pretend to be an expert on rifles.....I have never gotten a sniper rifle in the game.....but you are right that once fired the Garand loads the nest round without have a bolt action like the previous Springfield.....at the time it was issued it was though to be a mickey mouse piece of ■■■■ ( to be polite)....but thank you for pointing out my error.....now does anyone want to comment on my original question about the Machete

Matt this reply is in no way directed to you, you were talking about somethings from some old information and not making sense to me, but I did not find our discussion to be in anyway bad or offencive, As Seagas said the clip for the garand is 8 and not 9 bullets, my area of expertise is not firearm. Your opinion is as valid as anyone just needs some updating....please look at the comment I quote at the beginning it is by SylenThunder and he actually says what I was saying with much better and lesser words. If I have offend you I do apologize. I do find comments spoken about what I can and cannot do to be offencive, but not different opinions.  

 

[Star69]

My dad bought 2 M1 Garands from the military and both are for lefties as was my dad, both guns came complete with bayonets. He also bought an M1 carbine, inaccurate as heck but a fun gun to shoot nonetheless. The M1 Garand with armor piercing bullets can penetrate an engine block at 1000 yards. It was the first rifle that I ever shot also the only gun that I broke a bone using.....I was 10 years old, didn't hold the butt of the M1 against my shoulder and the kick cracked my collar bone. And that gun has one heck of a kick. On the military version, there was no padding on the butt if I'm remembering correctly, it was many many years ago.

 

[mr.devolver]

there is only one type of machete I know that comes in this shape and I feel it should be giving the credit for it as it is one of the deadliest weapons employ by man. It is called the Kukri, it is from Nepal and was at one time the sole weapon of the Gurkha.....this isn't a big thing but I was wondering why the developers made the machete this shape and did not give the credit where due when they did.....if anyone would like to chime in on this with their opinions please feel free. Also a note this is not criticism, it is and opinion that I thought I would share, if I felt critical about it I wouldn't play the game and be having a blast surviving the Zombie Apocalypse....lol

Honestly, just what is Kukri? Don't get me wrong, I already know the answer thanks to playing a lot of different survival games (lol, I know), but I asked intentionally, because I believe that there are still many people who know a machete when they see one, but they don't necessarily know what is Kukri. So I believe that if TFP named the item Kukri instead of Machete, those people who don't know what Kukri is wouldn't bother to craft it. Sure, curiosity and game progress would eventually hand it to them anyway, but for sake of simplicity, it's called by the universal name known to most people, well at least that's my guess which could be wrong.

 

[Lord Gem]

My dad bought 2 M1 Garands from the military and both are for lefties as was my dad, both guns came complete with bayonets. He also bought an M1 carbine, inaccurate as heck but a fun gun to shoot nonetheless. The M1 Garand with armor piercing bullets can penetrate an engine block at 1000 yards. It was the first rifle that I ever shot also the only gun that I broke a bone using.....I was 10 years old, didn't hold the butt of the M1 against my shoulder and the kick cracked my collar bone. And that gun has one heck of a kick. On the military version, there was no padding on the butt if I'm remembering correctly, it was many many years ago.

yes you are correct that the Garand did not have padding but a steel plate.....the 30.06 is a hell of a cartridge....as to the M1 Carbine whose name I don't think I've ever know, it was supposed to be used to replace the officers pistol not as and actual combat rifle, although in the Philippians' it saw use with the natives effectively because of their small stature.....but like I said my expertise is not in firearms but personal weaponry  

 

[Lord Gem]

Honestly, just what is Kukri? Don't get me wrong, I already know the answer thanks to playing a lot of different survival games (lol, I know), but I asked intentionally, because I believe that there are still many people who know a machete when they see one, but they don't necessarily know what is Kukri. So I believe that if TFP named the item Kukri instead of Machete, those people who don't know what Kukri is wouldn't bother to craft it. Sure, curiosity and game progress would eventually hand it to them anyway, but for sake of simplicity, it's called by the universal name known to most people, well at least that's my guess which could be wrong.

you know that is probably why they called it a machete....it's purpose can be use for solely that....offering my own opinion and not trying to tell anyone what to think....the Kukri is the greatest fighting knife know in my opinion, it's design by the Nepalese for the butchering of cattle, it was purported that they could sever the head of a bull with one strike, and it made the Gurkha's on of the scariest and deadliest fighters of their time.....I also like the Fairbarnes, ( I might be spelling his name wrong ) and think the Marines made a big mistake not going with it in 1938 as their hand weapon of choice, but apparently the Navy did not have money for their (this is a joke for you non military types) police force.   I personally own both the Kukri (18") and the baby Fairbarnes. that will come with me to the Zombie Apocalypses when it arrives....Thank you for your input into the subject, and feel free to express any disagreement or other knowledge I might not have put our there as to what is a Kukri

 

[mr.devolver]

you know that is probably why they called it a machete....it's purpose can be use for solely that....offering my own opinion and not trying to tell anyone what to think....the Kukri is the greatest fighting knife know in my opinion, it's design by the Nepalese for the butchering of cattle, it was purported that they could sever the head of a bull with one strike, and it made the Gurkha's on of the scariest and deadliest fighters of their time.....I also like the Fairbarnes, ( I might be spelling his name wrong ) and think the Marines made a big mistake not going with it in 1938 as their hand weapon of choice, but apparently the Navy did not have money for their (this is a joke for you non military types) police force.   I personally own both the Kukri (18") and the baby Fairbarnes. that will come with me to the Zombie Apocalypses when it arrives....Thank you for your input into the subject, and feel free to express any disagreement or other knowledge I might not have put our there as to what is a Kukri

Well, I'm not an expert, so I have nothing to add there I'm afraid, but I'd always agree that Kukri is one terrifying weapon, that's for sure and I'm glad they chose that design out of all designs that exist for the purpose of this single machete that is available in the game.

 

[Matt115]

Matt this reply is in no way directed to you, you were talking about somethings from some old information and not making sense to me, but I did not find our discussion to be in anyway bad or offencive, As Seagas said the clip for the garand is 8 and not 9 bullets, my area of expertise is not firearm. Your opinion is as valid as anyone just needs some updating....please look at the comment I quote at the beginning it is by SylenThunder and he actually says what I was saying with much better and lesser words. If I have offend you I do apologize. I do find comments spoken about what I can and cannot do to be offencive, but not different opinions.  

everything is okay : it will be small off top but which guns would you seen in 7DTD and why?

 

[Lord Gem]

everything is okay : it will be small off top but which guns would you seen in 7DTD and why?

please understand Matt I bought this game when it was alpha 11 but did not start playing it fully till alpha 19.5 it is now at a stage where to me it's playable, mostly I am a builder and an explorer, zombies are not really my thing but they make for an interesting enemy. As to weapons I have seen more on youtube than I have found and feel that they have most of the field covered the Tactical Rifle would cover whatever  modern day rifle you choose it to be, we wouldn't want to get bogged down with too many with just small variations. Actually in a scavenging situation you would most likely take parts of multiple rifles to make the one you end up using, but from there there is the sniper rifle, the marksman rifle that I have never personally found so can't give an opinion on so I am happy with the weaponry include in the game. I am glad they choose the Kukri shaped machete, it is my preference and like of this weapon that made me start this discussion, and although I know many will disagree with me I feel swords should be added, but that because I am a sword master and own several bladed type weapons.....but then I am weird and definately born in the wrong time zone.

Well, I'm not an expert, so I have nothing to add there I'm afraid, but I'd always agree that Kukri is one terrifying weapon, that's for sure and I'm glad they chose that design out of all designs that exist for the purpose of this single machete that is available in the game.

yes I agree, it is why I thought I would ask, because the knowledge and the history behind the Gurkha's and their weaponry is a subject dear to my heart and I only wish I had been alive during the colonial year and been born in Nepal.....lol

 

[Matt115]

please understand Matt I bought this game when it was alpha 11 but did not start playing it fully till alpha 19.5 it is now at a stage where to me it's playable, mostly I am a builder and an explorer, zombies are not really my thing but they make for an interesting enemy. As to weapons I have seen more on youtube than I have found and feel that they have most of the field covered the Tactical Rifle would cover whatever  modern day rifle you choose it to be, we wouldn't want to get bogged down with too many with just small variations. Actually in a scavenging situation you would most likely take parts of multiple rifles to make the one you end up using, but from there there is the sniper rifle, the marksman rifle that I have never personally found so can't give an opinion on so I am happy with the weaponry include in the game. I am glad they choose the Kukri shaped machete, it is my preference and like of this weapon that made me start this discussion, and although I know many will disagree with me I feel swords should be added, but that because I am a sword master and own several bladed type weapons.....but then I am weird and definately born in the wrong time zone.

yes I agree, it is why I thought I would ask, because the knowledge and the history behind the Gurkha's and their weaponry is a subject dear to my heart and I only wish I had been alive during the colonial year and been born in Nepal.....lol

Honestly halabards would be better that sword in my opinions- well zombie can't eat brain if they can't reach you but i think it would be to OP. swords are quiet good againt normal zombies but against fat or wright long range is neccesary -  honestly hm katanas could be terrible against zombies with iron or steel armor ( or riot armor) but morgerstein for example could be quiet usefull . well hammers in real life are quiet good weapon against armored targets  . Honestly pike+ motorbike could be quiet good but i think saber could be quiet usefull because motorbike is faster that horse. 

 

[Lord Gem]

Honestly halabards would be better that sword in my opinions- well zombie can't eat brain if they can't reach you but i think it would be to OP. swords are quiet good againt normal zombies but against fat or wright long range is neccesary -  honestly hm katanas could be terrible against zombies with iron or steel armor ( or riot armor) but morgerstein for example could be quiet usefull . well hammers in real life are quiet good weapon against armored targets  . Honestly pike+ motorbike could be quiet good but i think saber could be quiet usefull because motorbike is faster that horse. 

ok I mean this in the funniest way possible....but what is is with Polish people and pikes or lances against armor. That's what they did to try and stop the Germans when they first invaded during WW2....lol.....anyways in this case you would be very right a pike/halbert/lance is the prefered hand weapon to my opinion in this game....it's called a spear and is my first weapon of choice devolving to blades only as a secondary in case the spear becomes to worn or you throw by accident....which at the beginning I did a lot. But yes as the Carthaginians showed the phalanx of pikes is almost unbeatable....lol

 

[Maharin]

ok I mean this in the funniest way possible....but what is is with Polish people and pikes or lances against armor. That's what they did to try and stop the Germans when they first invaded during WW2....lol.....anyways in this case you would be very right a pike/halbert/lance is the prefered hand weapon to my opinion in this game....it's called a spear and is my first weapon of choice devolving to blades only as a secondary in case the spear becomes to worn or you throw by accident....which at the beginning I did a lot. But yes as the Carthaginians showed the phalanx of pikes is almost unbeatable....lol

Personally, I wouldn't use a stabby kind of weapon.  Too big of a chance of it getting stuck and that would mean death in close quarters.  A slashing or bludgeoning weapon would be way better.  But better still would be ANY ranged weapon.