PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary

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Naz said:
7dtd is a heavily cpu bound game, the extra performance of solutions like dlss come into play with the gpu not having to render the game at full Res. So it's benifit in 7dtd would be limited at best. Also dlss is only available as far as I know on 2000 and 3000 series gpus, so if you have a modern gpu you're not going to benifit from the performance uplift of having the gpu do less work, since mid to high range gpus don't even get full utilisation at full res as it is, due to being cpu bound. 
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That's true. The benefits are limited.

About the 2000 and 3000 series.... well.... I don't think that by the time 7dtd goes gold (~2024) they can still be considered a rarity and/or a specific marketing feature.  We should asume that by 2023-2024, GPUs will have well stablished AI rendering solutions. And AI rendering might also happen in separate specialized processing units for AMD and the new INTEL dedicated GPUs, like DLSS does now for Nvidia. Maybe it will help fps to 50% of the playerbase as opposed to barely a ~12% (Rtx Steam owners) right now.

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But the most important thing is human nature. Will you upgrade your car to one with wheels or one without them that doesn't even hover? (Something very cheap in the rtx market WILL be here by 2023). So Dlss Is the new standard. It's not a new Vulkan. It's a new Pentium 4 (weird unrelated metaphor, but you get the point, one is bland, the other is completely necessary).


 
Naz said:
7dtd is a heavily cpu bound game, the extra performance of solutions like dlss come into play with the gpu not having to render the game at full Res. So it's benifit in 7dtd would be limited at best. Also dlss is only available as far as I know on 2000 and 3000 series gpus, so if you have a modern gpu you're not going to benifit from the performance uplift of having the gpu do less work, since mid to high range gpus don't even get full utilisation at full res as it is, due to being cpu bound. 
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That is generally true, but not all the time. At 4k on a RTX 2070 with higher video settings I become GPU bound, so end up turning some video settings down. DLSS would potentially save some GPU, giving a higher FPS without having to turn down some settings.

 
faatal said:
That is generally true, but not all the time. At 4k on a RTX 2070 with higher video settings I become GPU bound, so end up turning some video settings down. DLSS would potentially save some GPU, giving a higher FPS without having to turn down some settings.
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Agreed, it's not impossible to get gpu bound in 7dtd. However many players will run at 1440p and 1080p to get higher refresh rates over resolution and it's those common resolutions that are more likely to be cpu bound. 

I've tested the

3090(cpu bound at 4k)

1080ti sli (cpu bound at 4k)

Single 1080ti (cpu bound at 1440p)

1080 (cpu bound at 1440p)

980ti (cpu bound at 1080p)

R9 295x2 (been a while can't recall) 

1060 (been a while can't recall) 

750ti (been a while can't recall)

So while some older cards could benifit from dlss, they're to old to support the feature. Modern cards that do would need to be running at 4k to have a chance at any performance benifit and sometimes even then it will still be cpu bound at full Res. I've seen a couple cases of the 3080 reported similary as the 3090 which makes sence since they're not far off each other in terms of performance.

I haven't tested lower in the 3000 stack or anything in the 2000 series, so I can't say for certain. But it's my opinion the cases where dlss would benifit people would be in the minority. I think some people would turn it on and play with slightly worst image quality, when it would be unesseseary in cpu scenarios. 

 
 well i have two questions : 

1. there is in A20 any changing of ballance of weapons and tools?

2. is road map for a21 ready?

 
Question! Will the pipe weapons have their own primitive ammo, like the blunderbuss, or will they use the standard ammo that the higher tiered guns use? 

 
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I’m assuming we are going to get some remains like piles of bones as well? Not just decomposing bloody piles 

 
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I hope in A20 they expand upon the weird noises at night. That deep pounding/fluttering sound is terrifying, and it's hard to describe what it is, which makes it even more disturbing.  I'd like to see more random noises at night that are difficult to make sense of. Maybe even some 20-23hz ambience. For some reason this sound frequency gives a really uneasy feeling. Here's a sample 



 
With the introduction of the newer Radiation Zombie, will the classic radiated zombie versions still be in game for a while? Is it still the plan to eventually replace them with specials?

 
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With the introduction of the newer Radiation Zombie, will the classic radiated zombie versions still be in game for a while? Is it still the plan to eventually replace them with specials?
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My take away from the new radiation zombie is that it's a new special zombie type like the screamer or cop.  It reminds me of the Suicider zombie from Dead Island:

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I'm wondering if the new radiation zombie will have a similar mechanic in that it will explode if shot or get close enough to the player.

 
madmole said:
7) Feral Sense Game Option

  • When turned on Zombies can sense the player from much farther away and stay focused on the optimal path to where the player is
  • Stealth still works but zombie senses are heightened so stealth play is much more challenging
  • Settings are: Off, Day, Night, All
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I noticed that the description just changed and has more info now. So wait, does this mean aside from the current game mode, there is only an option to make them more smarter and aggressive? I was really looking forward to making the zombies more dumb, kinda like The walking dead TV show style zombies. Please confirm. 

 
Rabbitslovecactus said:
I noticed that the description just changed and has more info now. So wait, does this mean aside from the current game mode, there is only an option to make them more smarter and aggressive? I was really looking forward to making the zombies more dumb, kinda like The walking dead TV show style zombies. Please confirm. 
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Confirmed. I changed the description to more accurately fit what will be released for A20 based on faatal's statement that there is unlikely to be any additional changes to the options menu before A20.  It's possible there will be more nuance added later as that was what was originally stated as the plan but at least for A20 the current description is the....current reality.

 
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