PC Why are the devs screwing over agi/stealth in their POI design?
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Kalen
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hiemfire
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I hate those, my wife is absolutely terrified of them. She had one toss her to the bottom of the Shamway Factory storage silo from the exterior mid high gantry on it.
Boidster
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Yeah, I get that you and I will never agree on the definition of "failure" here. The game specifically tells you that sneaking is not 100% effective. <shrug>
The test was in day time. I did not run past the threat, I did what I assume any player surprised by sudden ceiling zombies would do: I ran right the f*** back the way I came and looked for an object to hide behind (I previously had zero experience with ranger_station_06). It worked, and I was able to stealth-kill the zombies. <shrug again>
Ceiling zombie is watching you sneak...
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hiemfire
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So basement via the hole in the lower balcony supports in the back first? If so you went passed the POI's end loot on the way into the tower. Interesting, I found that route after following the lit one (takes you through the front utility access and over the broken antenna to the upper balcony) first. Entrance from the upper balcony is via a window with a noise trap on the sill (probably one of the things that irks me about the ranger stations, breaking the noise traps does nothing for you). Tried Ranger Station 7 (it's the one with the Station 69 sign out front) yet? The puppies love company.
linewalker
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I'm trying to figure out why you need the game to tell you every little thing.
Are you not capable of learning from experience?
Are you not capable of learning from experience?
Boidster
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Hmm...well I was not testing the One True Path vs other paths. I was only meaning to test "can I hide from auto-aggro zombies in the upper floor of the tower of ranger_station_06". I god-mode killed zombies on other floors (with AI disabled), then left god mode and sneaked up the stairs to the upper floor (it would be the underground path that gets you to those stairs). Zombies dropped and aggroed, there was some running, and they lost track of me after I hid behind the pallet.
I did try the other path just now, going through the window. After they aggroed I ran back around the balcony to behind some shamway boxes and they lost interest pretty quickly. It was daytime so being on the shaded side of the building helped.
I said I tried to use light armor with an agi build on my difficulty and when you get jumped you die pretty much instantly, from auto aggro rooms to screamers outside causing hordes. You are stuck throwing grenades no matter what. Yeah, I am so sorry that I don't play on scrub settings... There should be a reason to use light armor and stealth. As it is now, it is completely worthless.
Roland
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No need to play on scrub settings bro. You’re just playing higher than your own skill level for a stealth approach. If you don’t want stealth to be “impossible” at your current settings and you refuse to lower the settings to the point where you can be successful with stealth, then your only Option is to mod. Go in and change all the auto aggro rooms to something easier for you.
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Roland! You just don't get it. You seem to think people learn a game and then adjust the difficulty level up to give themselves more challenge. That is not how it is done.
Playing on the most difficult settings is purely for epeen bragging rights. Otherwise the people who play on those settings wouldn't complain so much.
So it should be easy enough for them to do as they wish just so they can play on that level and look down on the rest of us, and they will start playing the game on those settings from day 1.
Game balanced around default settings? That's just crazy talk...
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Kalen
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Yup, play on the hardest setting then complain that the game is hard. Demand the game is changed so that the hardest settings are easier and talk down to "scrubs" that play on lower settings. Seems reasonable
I didn't complain that the game was hard. Wow you guys are a bit dense. I said Stealth is useless on my settings. Insane, Always Nightmare means light armor does next to nothing to keep you alive. Auto aggro rooms wreck your face. Wandering hordes will @%$# you.
You guys seem to be straw manning because your arguments are pretty bad... Basically your conclusion is: If you want stealth to work, lower your difficulty. That is quite idiotic...
You guys seem to be straw manning because your arguments are pretty bad... Basically your conclusion is: If you want stealth to work, lower your difficulty. That is quite idiotic...
Kalen
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Almost correct.... if YOU want stealth to work for YOU, lower your difficulty.
Its true that I don't play with the settings you do, but I know people that do... and they don't seem to have the same trouble you're having with stealth.
I have watched a lot of people that play with the settings I do. It is always run and gun heavy armor, because Light armor is garbage on insane. Post day 30, you will get destroyed. What is wrong with you Kalen? You don't play on these settings and you say "I know people that do." Are you joking or something with your argument? No one stealths on Insane Always Nightmare. It is stupid to say that they do...
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Kalen
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Why would you think there is something wrong with me? My statement was pretty clear, I thought. I've asked people I know that play Insane/Nightmare and specifically asked them if they use stealth and, I'll paraphrase since I don't remember their exact words, "Sure, all the time"
So they go full Agi build with light armor and silencers? I crouch when mining. That isn't the argument I am making oh straw manner.
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Kalen
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I don't know, I didn't ask them how they do it.... just if they did. If I had to guess, probably not. They generally like strength builds... but I really don't know for sure.
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You are pigeonholed into full heavy run and gun when you play on these settings. I can crouch as often as I want, but that isn't my argument. You certainly have a very bad one my man. You asked them a question that would give you an answer you wanted, not an honest answer to the question at hand.
Kalen
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Lol, no I asked the question based on your comment that stealth was useless at the difficulty you played.