PC How soon do you expect to see better than primitive loot?
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Roland
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Wrenches
Oil
Duct Tape
Glue
Pipes
Ammo
Brass
Schematics
Books
Mods
Plastic
Paper
Gunpowder
PainKillers
Vitamins
Honey
Armor
Food
Water
Old World Money
Nails
Iron
Clothes
yep...all the 100% worthless stuff you find during the primitive stage.
I think you're being deliberately obtuse, but hey, i'll bite. I think what he's referring to are the stone axes, stone hammers, stone arrows, the primitive bows, the bone knives that we get over and over, in every kind of box, safe, sealed crate, munitions box, etc.
Roland
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My obtuseness was an ironic response to his overly dramatic statement. Trust me I didn’t miss his point deliberately or otherwise. But it is just laughable to say there is 100% worthless loot now in the early game. Almost every treasure room has ammo along with the primitive weaponry and often mods or armor as well. When I find my first pistol or hunting rifle or AK, I have lots of ammo banked for those weapons. Yes, I have all primitive gear but it is all upgraded to the max with all the mods I’m finding.
People who are against this system keep insisting that it’s not just because they want OP weaponry on day 1 but in all their posts they ignore all the great other kinds of loot we get starting on Day 1 as though none of that matters. Stop quacking like a duck if you are insisting you’re an eagle....
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Sunlight_Swift
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I think what the real issue is with the first tier is that the jump in difficulty between the lowest and next is too much. The next tier makes everything so much easier that people just want to get there right away. So I think what needs to happen is a lower tier of enemy that dies a lot faster to the lowest tier so the first few days aren't so much more difficult. The first days are thrilling but the games difficulty starts high, goes low for most of it then gets high again at the end. So I think people just want more stuff because the beginning feels too frustrating and creates a strong want for more.
I think the focus should be more on the resistance than the loot than how soon the loot improves. I just think that indicates that the primitive is insufficient to the challenge.
I think the focus should be more on the resistance than the loot than how soon the loot improves. I just think that indicates that the primitive is insufficient to the challenge.
RipClaw
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If people want it to be easier then I don't understand why they don't just start at a lower difficulty? I play on Nomad and the game seems very balanced to me. The zombies aren't bullet sponges on Nomad difficulty and a wooden club just works fine. You can always increase the difficulty later if you want. For some this is a game mode. They increase the difficulty in steps up to Insane with Nightmare speed.
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Sunlight_Swift
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What do you want even? You don't want stone arrows and wooden clubs, but then you say they are fine. I can't understand what you want. The only things that come out of those boxes are easy mode if it isn't stone tools at that stage.
RipClaw
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You got me wrong. I like the primitive weapons and that you finally don't find several firearms with lots of ammunition in the first week.
I enjoy fighting the first horde in close combat with the stone sledge hammer.
I'm baffled over how much crying the whole primitive loot thing has caused in general because I'm easily well into T1 loot by day 7-10 (usually much sooner, 4-5 to be specific). No points in LL, playing on Insane difficulty, loot % at default. Maybe because I'm usually on with 1-2 other folks, tho.
In my only solo run of A19 (and period, since I prefer to play MP), I was in T1 loot consistently after day 7. I did put points into Int and bought a bunch of decent stuff, tho (g4 auto shotgun on day 12, lul). So it'll be interesting to see how trader loot balancing + the proposed biome + poi modifiers make looting in later builds (be it A19 patches or A20 and beyond)
In my only solo run of A19 (and period, since I prefer to play MP), I was in T1 loot consistently after day 7. I did put points into Int and bought a bunch of decent stuff, tho (g4 auto shotgun on day 12, lul). So it'll be interesting to see how trader loot balancing + the proposed biome + poi modifiers make looting in later builds (be it A19 patches or A20 and beyond)
Sunlight_Swift
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RipClaw
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Sunlight_Swift
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I'm where you are I personally don't want anything to change. If anything I would like the guns to be nerfed slightly but bullets remain easier available if not more abundant to compensate for nerf. I feel like t1 and 2 are where the issues are. Early and late game are fantastic other than demolishers feeling like there aren't enough tools to kill and not enough t5 quests or the loot with them is not enough, and lack of inventory space in them slightly.
Tehnomaag
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A "primitive" pipe gun/pistol/rifle in a pre apocalypse could just use a different icon (while keeping the in-game model the same, or put a gray paint on it if it must be different) to try to appear as factory produced stuff but be stats wise exactly equal to a player crafted primitive weapon/tool.iamnuff said:
For role players, justification could be that it is some kind of hobby stuff for weapon/survival nuts which was, for some reason, cheaply mass produced pre-apocalypse. And then it is no problem if you find a pre-apocalypse seal container to have a Q3 "Stone Axe" in it. It was just an expectionally poor quality mass produced "survival axe" which can be, somehow, repaired by spending 1 piece of stone. It looks like a stone axe, it behaves like a stone axe, only it's icon is different because its, supposedly, pre-apocalypse. Should be a relatively simple change, to leave true stone axes craft-only and change an icon for looted primite tools/weapons. Basically an XLM edit and a set of alternate icons for primite tools/weapons.
"Primitive" weapons firing 9mm/7.62mm/.44 actual bullets might require a little more effort to explain, but hey, maybe it was also some kind of brand for low quality / simple stuff for survival nuts. I mean if you can find M60 under some dudes bed in a random house it is pretty obvious that the people in these parts pre apocalypse were pretty serious survival nuts. So its not such a stretch that they bought also a little Timmy one of these simple 7.62mm "primitive" guns for his 4th birthday.
RipClaw
Well-known member
It's not really hard to explain. Rifles and pistols are very simple in design. They are just pipes with a spike that hits the back of the bullet. You could improvise something like this with a pipe, a nail and a hammer from the hardware store.
In this Wikipedia article you will find many improvised firearms that work with standard ammunition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_firearm
The main difference between these guns and industrially manufactured guns is that they are mostly unreliable, inaccurate and do not last long. Most of the time they are single action guns.
I hope the pipe guns in A20 will look like they were welded together in a garage. The melee weapons already have this Mad Max look.
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