PC The real problem with A19 and the looting system
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Roland
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When did I say I thought otherwise? I just think your double standard is funny is all. Improbable containers holding junk is unforgivable but impossible containers holding an auto shotgun is AWESOME!!!
Bill: Hey Frank, guess what I found in this little hand purse?
Frank: Some paper or money?
Bill: A hunting rifle!!!!!
Frank: Sweet, that’s so awesome!!!! Ooh a crate, let me open that.
Bill: what did you get?
Frank: A top quality stone axe. I’m livid!!!
Bill: You already have one?
Frank: It just makes no sense!!!!!
“But hell, it’s a beaker so I’m willing to look the other way”...lmao
Madmole has explicitly stated they are not factory sealed containers. If he decides to spend any time on this it will be to change the look and localization of the containers—not give you the loot you want. That’s not to say I don’t want TFP to keep balancing and tinkering with probabilities.
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RestInPieces
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I know very well what Roland has been fed up with
Personally, where I draw the line, is when you start finding jeeps in the toilet.
Roland
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He isn’t saying don’t discuss it. He isn’t saying wait until it’s done to start talking about it. He is saying that it is obvious that some people didn’t realize it’s transitional rather than final because the conversation is different and the type of feedback you give is different when you understand that you are commenting about a milestone instead of the destination.
Heh...amused by is more in line with what I feel about the immersion aspect of this. If I’m fed up about anything it is not being able to interact with anything after pressing F7. THATS a travesty.I know very well what Roland has been fed up with
Personally, where I draw the line, is when you start finding jeeps in the toilet.
As for jeeps in toilets and a gyrocopter in my pocket, I believe I saw some Pym Particles at Red Mesa so...totally believable.
RestInPieces
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The true immersion warrior prefers not to interact with anything, if that means avoiding distraction by some silly numbers that inexplicably float in their field of vision.
I get it, but the other extreme is also in the wrong imo. #Immersion matters and it's great to have when it's possible and convenient in terms of gameplay. If someone is to make a gratification complaint disguised as an immersion complaint, you just have to list the gameplay goals that justify it because that always takes precedence. And yes, after my vehicle fell enough times through the terrain, I started seeing Pym Particles as well in that compound.
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0.01? Lets face it, if half the users in this forum (assuming the polls are anything to go by) look at it as an improvement to A18 and you find it intolerable the problem may be on your side as well. Play A18 and if you are bored of that as well then you know you have to find some other game until a new alpha refreshes 7D2D for a short time again.
I suspect the more 7D2D gets to the end of development and beta the more people will get fed up with the game because the core will change less and less and only a few more POIs, a new end boss and one or two new features on top will not keep people happy for long.
RestInPieces
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I am itching to pull the "wish that was the case with A16" card with this, but I won't
Good, so I won't answer with "A16 was only my second alpha so it is difficult for me to compare. But my group of players didn't take very long to replace vanilla with full conversion mods, to get some fresh gameplay".I am itching to pull the "wish that was the case with A16" card with this, but I won't
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Xtrakicking
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Lol. Not sure if you're trolling, but if you aren't, brushing all the complaints off as "whining" is as useless a post as it gets.Gazz, Roland. Don't let the whiners get to you or change your path. This is your game. Some of us like this progression.
My thoughts are this is mostly a bunch of overblown whining . The core of the problem is not any of the above post reasons. Here is the core problem:
Btw, I'm trying to figure out what exactly you mean when you say that this is Roland and Gazz's game.
Roland and Gazz are the true show runners while Madmole is just a puppet played by a sometimes trader and voice actor called Rekt.
Laz Man
Fun Pimps Staff
that photo is giving me so many 7d2d urges its hilarious...THIS IS THE WORST F***ING HOUSE WHY DID I PAY YOU GUYS TO BUILD THIS CRAP FOR ME???
Roland
Community Moderator
Now...now...Xtra....There's no need to spoil harmless illusions.
People who do that get no presents from Santa Clause...
I see you have pretty much ignored most of my comment, heres a reminder:
As i said now multiple times you guys simply dont understand suspension of disbelief. Its really simple, not a big deal. All you have to do is to actually try to rebuild the world of this game in your mind and ask yourself what fits into this game. You have all information, its a game, the setting of the area, what happened, how certain stuff operates and soo on. Like in the question i used as my point but if anybody still doesnt understand it, go into any gamer forum and ask people the following:
You have just landed into the world of games, everything what you ever played is here for a grand adventure and right infront of you theres a box the size of a mug lays on a pedestal with the text "The Loot" is on. What is in the box?
Not many people will go and suggest items with the actual size of a mag because the setting of this question is the world of games and we already accepted the impossible size relations of games.
As for when you said it, with this comment below you implied that the only reason people would dislike the current looting system is because all they are guns or weapons what are overpowered.
Oh and honestly, if it were on me i would have already changed things up and add somekind of size indication to items so the only impossible storage is the pocket of the player.
Unlike the stone age, that looks like a strong foundation.THIS IS THE WORST F***ING HOUSE WHY DID I PAY YOU GUYS TO BUILD THIS CRAP FOR ME???
Roland
Community Moderator
Don't worry. I understand suspension of disbelief. I also understand selective application...
No, I expicitly and quite purposely said people don't want to be disappointed when they open a box. I was careful to leave it at that and make no comment that it had to do with machine guns on day 1. The whole of my point was simply that for whatever reason (and that reason could be different for each person) people are feeling disappointed when they open up boxes in the game now but stating it in terms of "it doesn't make sense for this or that" when there are lots of times the exciting things we pull out of boxes also don't make sense but nobody says anything because they like what they got. My further statement was to demonstrate that if primitive gear was something people were not disappointed to get then nobody would be complaining about getting it even if it came in a factory sealed crate straight from pre-apocalyptic Shotgun Messiah. At most people would comment about how funny it was.
And now we are back to selective application again.
But you didn't and neither did anyone else or even mention such things except in passing whimsy. Its hilarious to pull an M60 out of a purse and to put my bike in a birds nest for safe keeping....silly funny devs heheh. Its OUTRAGEOUS and IMMERSIONALLY DEVASTATING to pull a stone axe out of a sealed crate...stupid lazy devs!
<shrug>
See, I like the current progression okay and don't feel disappointed by what I'm finding in boxes. Hence, my suspension of disbelief is preserved about this situation every bit as much as it is about everything else that is accepted. My mind has already made the shift that primitive gear in shipping boxes is the way this universe works. Now excuse me while I search for my bike. I know it is in one of these nests nearby...
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Jugginator
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If I could give you an internet trophy or other forms of fake internet points, I would. *Clap clap*
I soo far have now mentioned that in atleast 3 different posts but it seems like its only you who care about this thing.
Also if you would really understand suspension of disbelief you would have accepted that most people dont have problem with impossible fittings like rpg in a purse because its a game logic what already not many people actually care for.
You talk about selective application and yet you do the exact same, you ignore the points of the argument entirely, cherry picking what suits you and what not to form a critism effectively using Strawman tactics.
People are different, if you can accept a stone showel hidden in a military base inside a reinforced crate thats good for you but for everyone else it breaks immersion more than basic game logic.