PC Alpha 19 Dev Diary

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Laz Man said:
Updated Calendar for the rest of the year.... ty @Gasava for the photo. 😃

HYPPPPPPE TRAIN!!!!

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hiemfire said:
Oct-Dec should be "7D2D is now reality"...
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thank god

 
Khalagar said:
That's a pretty consistent issue with nearly every build. No matter what "build" you decide to use, there are still near mandatory skills you have to invest the majority of your points into. It takes so many perks to actually get the perks to a valuable level, and most of them aren't even the stuff your build is focused around

Basically all builds eventually want

Maxed out

  • Miner 69
  •  Mother Lode
  •  Quest Reward perk in Intellect
  • Better Barter in Intellect
  •  Junk Turrets because they make horde nights affordable
Some points in

  • Health Regen
  •  Pack Mule, how many points in it depend on how many deep pocket mods you find
  •  The gardening perks based on whether you want to grow a garden, most people do late game so they don't have to worry about food
  •  The stun resist perk
Essentially all builds are going to dip into Strength 100% chance (unless you are hardcore RPing some weird build specifically to not use strength), and most people go into Int for Junk Turrets and the perk that gives better quest rewards and better prices on stuff late game unless you are playing life on hard mode.

The other trees are kind of niche and have stuff where you are like "I'd like to have it, but it's too expensive to invest in right now" and have to get them later on after you get Miner 69 and your "main" perk the build is built around. 

Like Fortitude has some really solid stuff but it's more for midgame and late game.  Nearly everything in Perception and Agility both is really niche, they have okay things but they are mostly just for specific gimmick builds. Int is simultaneously the worst tree in the game and best tree at the same time. All the building / crafting / stun baton stuff is terrible, but the trader stuff and junk turret are ridiculously good to the point of being broken

I REALLY  think the attribute system needs a total overhaul as well, because it's counter intuitive, like saying "I have max Fortitude, I bet I'm super tanky!! Oh wait, max fortitude doesn't increase health or durability? It increases . . .machine gun damage?????"

The perk rebalance will hopefully address it, it makes sense to consolidate the meh skills in with better ones, and lower the amount of investment required.  I'm hoping we get patch notes soon so we can start nerding out with Excel to complain about which perks are bad before we actually get to use them and test them
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See, this is where the "all of those are mandatory" should read as "my personal favorites are". Because I can't agree with 3/4 of your post yet you make it sound like some irrefutable truth.

Miner 69 / Mother lode aren't a must at all. Sure I usually spend that 1 "free" point in both, but beyond that, unless you like building crazy big stuff, you can definitely do without.

Daring Adventurer & Better Barter are definitely good, but being the int guy right now on day 50 of a coop game, those are definitely not "mandatory" at all. And health regen is arguably very useless in my book.

Funnily enough you mention Fortitude as being for "midgame and lategame" only, if anything very early game is a bit rough until you have some more decapitation chance with the knuckles, but it's still the best skill tree in my book, given how absurdely OP the machine guns are compared to the rest of the weapons. On top of that you have Heavy Armor AND Pain Tolerance, Living of the land... 

The one thing I think is pretty absurd with the skill tree is how specialized you need to be in order to progress into anything. I just rerolled my int guy with a forget'n elixir in order to "unlearn" my Greese Monkey & Advanced Engineering points; I ended up with 12 unspent points and those are both "a lot of points" and not very much at all if you want to get good at anything in another tree...

Then again the skill tree is getting reworked in A19 so it feels pointless arguiing about it now...

 
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Sure, I can't argue with those sentences. But that wasn't what the post I quoted seemed to imply, quite the contrary actually. 

 
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Khalagar said:
Basically all builds eventually want
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So far as I recall I've never once put a point into four of those "all maxed out" perks. Yay, you've found out how to use them and you can thrive with them.  That's good. Can't thrive without them?  Might want to be a little less cocksure what conclusions to draw from that.

 
quyxkh said:
So far as I recall I've never once put a point into four of those "all maxed out" perks. Yay, you've found out how to use them and you can thrive with them.  That's good. Can't thrive without them?  Might want to be a little less cocksure what conclusions to draw from that.
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Yep. Ill go you one better and say that you never NEED to put a single point into anything. You do not need any perk to survive this game. Sorry if that hurts some peoples feelings but its true because I have done it.

Every single thing you get from perks in regards to recipes you can get via looting eventually, stations can be found in the world. And any "boosts" you get from buying perks is all just to accommodate over kill in your stats and damage output. 

Take no fall damage? Pallets and bundles? Slow hunger etc. All those do is favor careless play styles. Sorry not sorry.

 
hiemfire said:
RAT BURGERS!!!! 😁 Why let goodish meat go to waste. Just need to make sure it is well done.
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Good idea!

but i uses them to summon the kraken!

  • step 1: find rats!
  • step 2: light fire!
  • step 3: uses the blood of 2 rats to make a circle 
  • step 4: Draw TFP logo (Minis the pimp cane) with the 3th rat
  • step 5: chant "nekark eht esaeler" 3 times!
  • step 6: cut your hand and uses your blood to draw the pimp cane on the logo
  • step 7: eat (number of alphas) about of spam, in this case 19!
  • step 8: chant "nekark eht esaeler" again but slowly
  • Step 9: Release the Horde!


and then the with in a week or 2, news for A19 or any alphas will come! 

note: this is a joke, i don't condone the apuse of animals unless they are cockroaches. doing this may summon another demon, drink reasonably!

 
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Adam the Waster said:
  • step 3: uses the blood of 2 rats to make a circle 
  • step 4: Draw TFP logo (Minis the pimp cane) with the 3th rat
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Just make tossing them in a beer cooler part of the arms for the circle and the logo and you're set for grilling up consecrated rat burgers. 😁

 
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Adam the Waster said:
Good idea!

but i uses them to summon the kraken!

  • step 1: find rats!
  • step 2: light fire!
  • step 3: uses the blood of 2 rats to make a circle 
  • step 4: Draw TFP logo (Minis the pimp cane) with the 3th rat
  • step 5: chant "nekark eht esaeler" 3 times!
  • step 6: cut your hand and uses your blood to draw the pimp cane on the logo
  • step 7: eat (number of alphas) about of spam, in this case 19!
  • step 8: chant "nekark eht esaeler" again but slowly
  • Step 9: Release the Horde!


and then the with in a week or 2, news for A19 or any alphas will come! 

note: this is a joke, i don't condone the apuse of animals unless they are cockroaches. doing this may summon another demon, drink reasonably!
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Disclaimer: No rats were hurt in any way during this activity (in case anyone couldn't read the tiny text on the bottom… My eyes!!!).

 
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