PC Alpha 19 Dev Diary

[Khalagar]

Is there a video or even a picture of the Junk Sledge somewhere I've not seen? Am I understanding it right that there will be a Junk Sledge Melee turret, Junk Turret, and then the top tier version is the Junk Drone? Basically the Tier 1 / Tier 2 / Tier 3 set up like other weapon types have? I've been struggling to find info on the Drone and Junk Sledge

Can you use 2 of each all at once? I LOVE summoners in other games, so a build where I can have an army of turret minions sounds absolutely fantastic, throw some melee turrets out front, with junk turret back up, while drones provide air support, while I do Important Summoner Things™ like organize my inventory and pick up loot sounds like my ideal dream playstyle.  People hate on the AFK loot ninja, but it's so much fun IMO, just something about having my army of minions do the fighting for me while I work on improving them and keeping them in fighting shape. Guess I'm a support main at heart

 

[Blake_]

Is there a video or even a picture of the Junk Sledge somewhere I've not seen? Am I understanding it right that there will be a Junk Sledge Melee turret, Junk Turret, and then the top tier version is the Junk Drone? Basically the Tier 1 / Tier 2 / Tier 3 set up like other weapon types have? I've been struggling to find info on the Drone and Junk Sledge

Can you use 2 of each all at once? I LOVE summoners in other games, so a build where I can have an army of turret minions sounds absolutely fantastic, throw some melee turrets out front, with junk turret back up, while drones provide air support, while I do Important Summoner Things™ like organize my inventory and pick up loot sounds like my ideal dream playstyle.  People hate on the AFK loot ninja, but it's so much fun IMO, just something about having my army of minions do the fighting for me while I work on improving them and keeping them in fighting shape. Guess I'm a support main at heart

No, there is not a video, and to the other assumptions : yes, yes, yes yes, yes yes, yesyesyes and yes. Do you have any other questions?  :hippie:

 

[Khalagar]

Aw yiss yiss yiss yiss and yiss. Assuming you aren't pulling my leg, in which case, shame on you for getting my hopes up and then dashing them thoroughly

So most Tier 1 and Tier 2 are not great late game because their damage can't compare to the other Tier 3s. Currently, Junk Turrets are one of the best weapons in the game IMO when you have two decked out in mods, are they being changed to not already be on par with the new Tier 3s? Or is the logic that they are fine, because it takes 2 to equal an m60. (Dun nerf muh turrets pl0x)

Or rather, are Junk Sledge and Junk Turret still going to be pretty viable for late game? Or are they going to be fairly outclassed like if you were trying to use a Tier 1 weapon like a  Stone Sledge late game instead of a Tier 3 like the Steel Sledge

 

[Xtrakicking]

A, you won't find a blue AK for ages, and B, its going to be a POS compared to what it once was. Specialization is the key.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't sound good. If it's going to be a POS, why make it hard to find for ages then? Do players seriously need to buy all the gun perks for their guns to do any meaningful damage at all? Just as I thought we were getting out of the BB gun era... 

 

[Operator_Death]

I might be a minority, but I feel like 2% of the users paint. Paint cannot stream and also has a finite limit so we're kind of limited there. I don't think its meh the world builders have used it to create the entire game and it looks great. It might be meh if you think your base needs to look all perfect and brand new or something. It is unlikely we will add anything like that due to the fact that we wouldn't use those materials ourselves so it would be waste of atlas space for a 2% er feature.

Mod discussion is not allowed here.

And it belongs in pimp dreams. Maybe we can make zombie dogs that are burnt and on fire in the burnt forest on the gold push.

Ak's are nerfed hard to make room for the new assault rifle. I used one in my first play through when it was still like A18 and I was an int character and I didn't even need any perks, the blue ak I found destroyed anything easily. I'm glad we have changed it. A, you won't find a blue AK for ages, and B, its going to be a POS compared to what it once was. Specialization is the key.

@madmole I was in now way serious.. I only use paint on storage containers. I was mocking the people who ignore everything you say is coming and focus on little thing. My bad. 

 

[lord_ahriman]

Madmole, you said crafting will be relevant in A19, so I have 2 questions: 1) Top tier crafting still T5, T6 only looting; and 2) Random stats like in A18 (if so, would be possible to show possible values for each stat?). Thanks in advance.

 

[Laz Man]

Aw yiss yiss yiss yiss and yiss. Assuming you aren't pulling my leg, in which case, shame on you for getting my hopes up and then dashing them thoroughly

So most Tier 1 and Tier 2 are not great late game because their damage can't compare to the other Tier 3s. Currently, Junk Turrets are one of the best weapons in the game IMO when you have two decked out in mods, are they being changed to not already be on par with the new Tier 3s? Or is the logic that they are fine, because it takes 2 to equal an m60. (Dun nerf muh turrets pl0x)

Or rather, are Junk Sledge and Junk Turret still going to be pretty viable for late game? Or are they going to be fairly outclassed like if you were trying to use a Tier 1 weapon like a  Stone Sledge late game instead of a Tier 3 like the Steel Sledge

Junk sledge > junk turret > junk drone....however, unlike guns, there use has different applications.

 

[Gromit]

Speaking of the AK47, are you planning on pulling the camera back a bit for the sight view in A19?

Right now it zooms right into the sight and it feels really odd. Kinda like the image below if you'll excuse my 4-5 minute PS attempt.

 

[Laz Man]

I'm sorry, but this doesn't sound good. If it's going to be a POS, why make it hard to find for ages then? Do players seriously need to buy all the gun perks for their guns to do any meaningful damage at all? Just as I thought we were getting out of the BB gun era... 

It was a figure of speech.  I'm sure they are still decent but not as strong as in A18 since they squeezed in the new rifle perhaps.

 

[Khalagar]

Junk sledge > junk turret > junk drone....however, unlike guns, there use has different applications.

Yeah, the different applications but also hierarchical is what has me confused.

Junk Sledge is your early game "Junk weapon" and is also your melee weapon, but if it's your early game weapon . . .will it somehow scale to end game? I'm just worried that end game you will basically just use Junk Drone and the first two will be too weak to care about. I like the "All 3 are viable and useful late game, they cover 3 different niches" approach. Basically, I am hoping Junk Sledge is still relevant with perks and is comparable to say, a Steel Sledge or the other melee weapons, and isn't just an early game primitive weapon you just trash and never use again, like how you would never use a Blunderbuss or wooden club late game

Usually my go to end game melee weapon of choice is the trusty and under rated Fire Axe, so as long as the Junk Sledge stays on par with a Miner 69 backed Fire Axe I'm happy!

 

[Laz Man]

Yeah, the different applications but also hierarchical is what has me confused.

Junk Sledge is your early game "Junk weapon" and is also your melee weapon, but if it's your early game weapon . . .will it somehow scale to end game? I'm just worried that end game you will basically just use Junk Drone and the first two will be too weak to care about. I like the "All 3 are viable and useful late game, they cover 3 different niches" approach. Basically, I am hoping Junk Sledge is still relevant with perks and is comparable to say, a Steel Sledge or the other melee weapons, and isn't just an early game primitive weapon you just trash and never use again, like how you would never use a Blunderbuss or wooden club late game

Usually my go to end game melee weapon of choice is the trusty and under rated Fire Axe, so as long as the Junk Sledge stays on par with a Miner 69 backed Fire Axe I'm happy!

Never thought of the new junk sledge as something for mining.  That does sound interesting though.  It looks more like a deployable junk turret without the ammo consumption but with a significantly shorter range for obvious reasons (melee vs projectile).

Regarding the drone, it will be interesting to learn what it's best application will be.

 

[Blake_]

Yeah, the different applications but also hierarchical is what has me confused.

Junk Sledge is your early game "Junk weapon" and is also your melee weapon, but if it's your early game weapon . . .will it somehow scale to end game? I'm just worried that end game you will basically just use Junk Drone and the first two will be too weak to care about. I like the "All 3 are viable and useful late game, they cover 3 different niches" approach. Basically, I am hoping Junk Sledge is still relevant with perks and is comparable to say, a Steel Sledge or the other melee weapons, and isn't just an early game primitive weapon you just trash and never use again, like how you would never use a Blunderbuss or wooden club late game

Usually my go to end game melee weapon of choice is the trusty and under rated Fire Axe, so as long as the Junk Sledge stays on par with a Miner 69 backed Fire Axe I'm happy!

Yes, this. On a side note I kinda like the sound of the Junk sledge, turret and drone tiers.

Why? Because each one of them is good in its own right. I fear some weapons might become redundant (ak, shotgun) due to the new awesome ones taking the 3rd tier. The rest , except the weakarse            "not-enough-charges Mr Mcbaton " are ok. 

 

[Sigil_Thane]

I might be a minority, but I feel like 2% of the users paint. Paint cannot stream and also has a finite limit so we're kind of limited there. I don't think its meh the world builders have used it to create the entire game and it looks great. It might be meh if you think your base needs to look all perfect and brand new or something. It is unlikely we will add anything like that due to the fact that we wouldn't use those materials ourselves so it would be waste of atlas space for a 2% er feature.

Does this mean that if you paint everything around you you are shooting yourself in the foot as far as frame rate and game performance?

And it belongs in pimp dreams. Maybe we can make zombie dogs that are burnt and on fire in the burnt forest on the gold push.

Fair enough. 

 

[Laz Man]

Yes, this. On a side note I kinda like the sound of the Junk sledge, turret and drone tiers.

Why? Because each one of them is good in its own right. I fear some weapons might become redundant (ak, shotgun) due to the new awesome ones taking the 3rd tier. The rest , except the weakarse            "not-enough-charges Mr Mcbaton " are ok. 

Even if the stun baton isnt as good a melee wpn as some of the melee weapons in other trees I think it's fine.  Their junk inventions make the INT tree extremely versatile so it's not a bad trade off.

 

[Khalagar]

Y'know, on the Junk Sledge, will Zombies target it? Or how exactly are you supposed to get zombies to run into a melee turret, treat it like a blade trap and just stand behind it?

 

[Aldranon]

Headshots, in general yes. I was mainly refering to 'Oh @%$*#!' situations where a sure hit can often be more important than a headshot (because of the push-back). And if you are moving and shooting at the same time hitting a twitchy steve zombie (EDIT: in the head I mean) is also exceptionally difficult.

2 shotguns: Not to compensate. I had the second shotgun with me for emergencies, but I used it very seldom. In a way the second shotty is like the AK I still run around with as agi player (until I have an MP5), but the AK gets used less often (because the pistol can compensate easier if you make silly mistakes like having an empty magazine). But as long as you have ammo in your shotgun, you simply remove anything in your way with a lot less circumstances than with a pistol

If you don't mind ammo consumption, then yes, the pistol can kill faster than the same tier shotgun. But if ammo consumption doesn't matter neither pistol nor shotgun matter at all in the presence of an AK

I agree with everything you said.

If some zombies heads didnt move around so fast when you aimed at them (Almost automagically) then I would agree with big head shot bonus and body shot nerfs.

You also hit on ammo consumption which I believe is the primary concern mid-game and beyond.  I build most characters with only that in mind.  

 

[Gazz]

Actually I would like for wood frames to have EVERY shape. Rebar ones too. Right now shapes are missing in concrete forcing players to upgrade and dry . While that might be a progression thing ,  as of right now, it's very inconsistent and arbitrarily made.

We would like that, too.

 

[madmole]

Aw yiss yiss yiss yiss and yiss. Assuming you aren't pulling my leg, in which case, shame on you for getting my hopes up and then dashing them thoroughly

So most Tier 1 and Tier 2 are not great late game because their damage can't compare to the other Tier 3s. Currently, Junk Turrets are one of the best weapons in the game IMO when you have two decked out in mods, are they being changed to not already be on par with the new Tier 3s? Or is the logic that they are fine, because it takes 2 to equal an m60. (Dun nerf muh turrets pl0x)

Or rather, are Junk Sledge and Junk Turret still going to be pretty viable for late game? Or are they going to be fairly outclassed like if you were trying to use a Tier 1 weapon like a  Stone Sledge late game instead of a Tier 3 like the Steel Sledge

I thought junk turrets were way too OP, did you buy the perks for them?
The drone isn't going to do much damage it is just a follower with cargo and it heals you and stuns zombies. It might even get pushed to A20.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't sound good. If it's going to be a POS, why make it hard to find for ages then? Do players seriously need to buy all the gun perks for their guns to do any meaningful damage at all? Just as I thought we were getting out of the BB gun era... 

Because its blue. It isn't a POS, but compared to what we had in 18... it is. Sorry bro you can't find a brown ak and feel OP AF anymore, there is a good progression. Guns are plenty deadly but perks make a huge difference like always.

@madmole I was in now way serious.. I only use paint on storage containers. I was mocking the people who ignore everything you say is coming and focus on little thing. My bad. 

Oh I see. That said as much of "more of everything" sounds great to users, we can only pack so much content into memory.

Speaking of the AK47, are you planning on pulling the camera back a bit for the sight view in A19?

Right now it zooms right into the sight and it feels really odd. Kinda like the image below if you'll excuse my 4-5 minute PS attempt.

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Sorry but game play overrides realism. You need to see stuff in the iron sight. F.e. the hunting rifle is how you want the AK, and sorry the hunting rifle is wrecked, it needs the eye ball half way up the barrel so you aren't shooting through a pin hole.

 

[Phoenixshade35]

When it comes to the paint I actually was hoping for some more paint styles, cause right now I don't see the type of things i wanna paint my place with, though painting is nice when your building a nice place to live and craft without zombies ruining it, but that could just be me lol.

And I am more than hyped for how difficult the game is going to be now, i want it like yesterday lol

 

[Operator_Death]

I thought junk turrets were way too OP, did you buy the perks for them?
The drone isn't going to do much damage it is just a follower with cargo and it heals you and stuns zombies. It might even get pushed to A20.

Because its blue. It isn't a POS, but compared to what we had in 18... it is. Sorry bro you can't find a brown ak and feel OP AF anymore, there is a good progression. Guns are plenty deadly but perks make a huge difference like always.

Oh I see. That said as much of "more of everything" sounds great to users, we can only pack so much content into memory.

I love the direction you guys are going. The game has improved so much over the alphas. I hope the junk drone makes it to A19 but if it doesn't then that means you feel it isn't ready for release yet. I just can't wait to see some of your videos. I do think its funny how you will say we added XYZ123457 and people only care because you skipped 6. @madmole keep up the great work. Thank you for your hard work. 

When it comes to the paint I actually was hoping for some more paint styles, cause right now I don't see the type of things i wanna paint my place with, though painting is nice when your building a nice place to live and craft without zombies ruining it, but that could just be me lol.

And I am more than hyped for how difficult the game is going to be now, i want it like yesterday lol

I was being sarcastic about paint. I like my base to look like a bunker personally. But I do want a paint for all the diffrent types of storage containers.