I agree that a bleeding bonus doesn't make sense on an entity with open and mortal wounds . Knifes would be better suited with some kind of critical damage to undead entities and bleeding as it is now should be left exclusively for living , breathing entities like animals and human npcs.
I'm not saying that there's only one true zombie lore that every media should follow, I'm saying that 7 days to die is failing at defining what theirs is. Suspension of disbelief is something many people laugh at, screaming "it's just a game, bro" everytime the topic pops up. Well, the problem is that suspension of disbelief is essential for immersion to work, just like in movies.
Yeah? Then why can we blow off their limbs, and they won't bleed out then? I don't think the issue is fully that they can bleed out (at least not for me). I think it mostly has to do with consistency at this point. They can bleed out when you slice them, but they won't bleed out when you blow off their arms or legs? Sorry, just doesn't mesh well. Will they change it later? idk. hope they do though.
Exactly.
I don't know about "no aspect". I think some of these newspapers splattered on roads make reference to the "infected" lore. But, yeah, there's no lore, and until it goes Gold, they are allowed to change their minds as many times as they want, so there's no point in attributing particular characteristics to them at this point.
The newspapers just hint at some disease causing the outbreak, they don't really say if they're dead or not.
No. Deaths caused by bleeding do not give XP in A18.4 b4 (knife, barbed wire mod, etc) .
I don't understand what '7D2D zombies don't try to be anything' implies. When I watch the Walking Dead, I don't think much of them try to be anything except getting some flesh/blood/brains into their systems somehow. (And 7D2D doesn't even have to adhere to that lore if they don't want to.) (I also don't try to extrapolate what I believe TFP wants me to think they (the 'zombies') do, as this is still in Alpha.)
You've picked a perfect example. The zombies in TWD are perfectly defined. Their world has rules and limits, and that's what makes the personality of the show. Their zombies are dead corpses that walk. The infection is in the brain, so they can't die till you destroy the brain. All people are infected, so if one dies, they become zombies. If all of a sudden, they show a zombie dying of bleeding, they've gone completely against their whole premise, and it falls apart. But they won't, because they have rules in their premise that they follow each episode. When I said that 7dtd zombies don't try to be anything it's exactly that: They don't try to be anything. They don't try to be infected people, like Left 4 Dead, and they don't try to be undead corpses, like TWD. They don't have any premise nor rules. They die of bleeding from a knife, but can walk without limbs and breathe underwater.
I didn't. That's the problem. We don't have lore beyond the unknown virus and the WWIII. I'm glad if they have plans for the lore in the future, but my arguments are based on what we have now in the game and what the devs have said in their comments, because those are the only reliable sources, and the fact that what the game presents contradicts itself is why I nitpick these things.
That's because the story makes sense. The format might be outdated, but the experience and the story they try to tell makes sense.
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Also, this is just my experience. I love the game anyways, but I do wish it tried a bit harder on the details, because that's what differentiates Great from Perfect.
Have you played with blade-based builds? Bleeding does give XP. But don't trust me, trust your eyes:
Pfft. None of that means anything. All that matters is the game is fun. We've deliberately been vague so we're not painted into a corner by hardcore fans who are dogmatic about lore and what is acceptable. They could be undead. That is just some voodoo word meaning "this guy should by all intensive purposes be dead, but is somehow still walking". We might get a little more rigid with our lore as we start pushing out more story towards the end, but during early alpha development we wanted to be vague so we could make a fun game, and not be having conversations regarding lore or have the fun police step in and ruin a good game mechanic.
Sorry, but saying none of that means anything is just not true. It's important for a game to be fun, yes. It's also important for a game to be immersive. You can be vague with the lore and still make sense (TWD does this). You can make a great game that's incredibly fun and also make sense. You make it seem like it's either one or the other, as if both things couldn't coexist.
