Well at least it's fairly consistent. All the important stuff
Oh plus some trigger groups bleh! Iron & leather armor not there but steel and military are then?
At least they have the SMG, or is that an oversight?
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Oh plus some trigger groups bleh! Iron & leather armor not there but steel and military are then?
At least they have the SMG, or is that an oversight?
Roland
Community Moderator
Loot tables are being worked on and @schwanz9000 most likely would want to know this feedback. I’ll let him know about this thread in addition to the poke above in this reply.
It’s probably most troublesome for min/makers and speed runners who are leveling so quickly that they don’t spend enough time in the window of opportunity to be able to find those items before they’ve rocketed past….
POCKET951
Refugee
it would most certainly explain why I am not finding these things at level 120 in the wasteland/snow biomes, with 5/5 lucky looter my lootstage is so high that I completely cut off my ability to get alot of these items
This obviously isn't intentional but players shouldn't be punished for playing super efficiently or trying to min/max the game, you should be able to get everything in the game regardless of playstyle.
Just an observation, and I am sure everyone agrees. It is just a matter of finding things in the game that still need tuning and tweaking. It is an early release game afterall.
A20 loot is still very new, And I am sure it will be changed and altered and tweaked many times between now, Alpha 21 and going into gold.
That said ,I am really enjoying Alpha 20 overall and I will continue to grind and play out late game, providing feedback and reporting any bugs I find.
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schwanz9000
Tech. Gameplay Designer & QA
I've got some fixes coming to A20.1 that will address an issue with the probability templates. Will look into the trader stuff more as well. Thanks!
Morloc
Arch Necromancer
POCKET951
Refugee
I think some of those things on the list are quite reasonable..the sham and the tier 3 weapon schematics
but the other ones..not up to me but I don't see why some of us those couldn't appear on the trader much farther into the game or after a certain lootstage
Boidster
Refugee
I suppose, but RNG can be a harsh mistress. Which is fine if you're into that, YOU FILTHY WORTHLESS DOG. <ahem>
I graphed the T2 probabilities and it's definitely doing some weird things on the back side. I look forward to my modlet becoming obsolete after schwanz9000 works his magic.
hiemfire
Refugee
Iirc Iron and Leather armor both can be unlocked by kicking a single point into the Heavy or Light armor perks. Heavy for Iron, Light for Leather. You don't have to invest anything into the attributes they're grouped under either since level 1 for both perks is available at attribute level 1.
Oh, yeah, I rarely craft armor anyway so I forget. Padded until military & mods. Depending on my horde base design I might wear heavy armor for horde night. Generally skip leather and iron too for that matter. The middle tiers of a lot of things are really just skippable. Giving up QL6 T0/1 for mid-QL T1/2 (I have to stop and think about what tier what is, as opposed to the fact that I know which is actually better or worse without thinking about it) instead of just making do until T2/3 always seemed like a downgrade, especially before I modded 4 mod slots for everything.
schwanz9000
Tech. Gameplay Designer & QA
Yeah, that's some leftovers from the legacy system. It'll be much smoother than that moving forward.
There will also be a T2 cap list that I'll use on things like books/schematics that don't have a T3.
hiemfire
Refugee
Boidster
Refugee
I think what this means is that certain loot will be in a "this doesn't have tiers beyond 2" group, with its own probablity curve. Not lumped in with weapons and armor, where it probably makes more sense that you don't find T2 stuff any more once you're into T3.
POCKET951
Refugee
so the specific schematics can't come from the trader, what about the respective mods? are there any you can't find at a trader that you would think you should be able to?
Boidster
Refugee
The following mods do not appear in traders.xml. I'm sure it'll all be cleaned up in upcoming releases.
<all dyes>
modGunBowArrowRest
modGunDrumMagazineExtender
modGunShotgunTubeExtenderMagazine
modMeleeClubMetalChain
modRoboticDroneArmorPlatingMod
modRoboticDroneCargoMod
modRoboticDroneHeadlampMod
modRoboticDroneMedicMod
modRoboticDroneMoraleBoosterMod
modVehicleExpandedSeat
modVehicleFuelSaver
modVehicleOffRoadHeadlights
modVehicleReserveFuelTank
modVehicleSuperCharger
<all dyes>
modGunBowArrowRest
modGunDrumMagazineExtender
modGunShotgunTubeExtenderMagazine
modMeleeClubMetalChain
modRoboticDroneArmorPlatingMod
modRoboticDroneCargoMod
modRoboticDroneHeadlampMod
modRoboticDroneMedicMod
modRoboticDroneMoraleBoosterMod
modVehicleExpandedSeat
modVehicleFuelSaver
modVehicleOffRoadHeadlights
modVehicleReserveFuelTank
modVehicleSuperCharger
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BFT2020
Hunter
Yeah, I think in one group I noticed they repeated schematics (I think it was dynamite and grenades). That's the nature of development work as you make changes, add things, and remove things. As they get closer to final release, they can start to polish and clean up the xml files.