Samcharles
Refugee
I'm currently in the desert biome and the game is telling me my loot stage is maxed. I've unlocked all badges. Shouldn't having all badges unlocked max my loot stage in all biomes?
Loot Stage Maxed?
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Samcharles
Refugee
Actually I was there earlier in the game day and the same icon came up.
Samcharles
Refugee
Just went into the wasteland and the icon doesn't come up in there.
binf_shinana
Refugee
I encountered the same phenomenon. In my case, it was displayed when I paused the game in the snowy plains and resumed it.
(However, the LS was properly set to a value that exceeded the upper limit, so it is only a display bug.)
(However, the LS was properly set to a value that exceeded the upper limit, so it is only a display bug.)
Riamus
Hunter
No. There is still a loot stage cap for each biome other than the wasteland. From what they said (I haven't looked), when you complete the wasteland badge, the loot stage of the other biomes will go up some, but it will still have a cap as long as biome hazards are enabled.
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Here is where faatal commented on it. Apparently, each badge increases the cap a little bit and not just the final wasteland badge. You will need to click on it below to see his comment on it.
I give small chance of 3.0 this year. 2.x releases will be coming and they take time also.@faatal Hi there!
What are the chances of 3.0 being done before the end of the year? 0% 50% 100% (or should I go get a life?)
And what about 2.0 Stable? By June 30? Or even earlier maybe? How's the bug killing going?
As always...Thank you for supporting the forums.
2.0 stable is looking good. Major bugs are basically fixed. Another experimental is coming. Plenty of small bugs, but stable will not be held up for them. Console players want to play too.
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Samcharles
Refugee
Ah okay, thanks Riamus. I was misunderstanding what unlocking the badges did in regard to biome loot caps.
BFT2020
Hunter
I will be updating my biome progression modlet and add the ability to modify those values if you want to increase max loot stage when you get all the biome badges.
Funny enough, I hit the loot cap for the snow biome before that of the desert when I had the wasteland badge
theFlu
Hunter
Well, the design is such that it's really easy to cap out snow at around the same time as desert.
(numbers pulled from 2.1b5)
Desert gets a 1.0 lootstage_modifier, snow gets a 1.5. So I think that's +100% and +150% respectively. Each also get a +10 and +15 "straight up" bonus.
Lootstage_max for each are 125 and 160.
So, base lootstage at the moment of capping desert is :
(125 - 10 ) / 2 = 57.5
Walking into snow with that base gives:
57.5 * 2.5 + 15 = 158.
You'll basically cap both at the same time by design. Wasteland badge gives desert a raise of 45 and 20 for snow, which by quick guesstimate makes the situation worse. Let's see:
(170 - 10) / 2 = 80
80 * 2.5 + 15 = 215
So the moment you reach the "fully badged" desert cap, you'll be at 215 in snow, way past the max cap of 180.
(numbers pulled from 2.1b5)
Desert gets a 1.0 lootstage_modifier, snow gets a 1.5. So I think that's +100% and +150% respectively. Each also get a +10 and +15 "straight up" bonus.
Lootstage_max for each are 125 and 160.
So, base lootstage at the moment of capping desert is :
(125 - 10 ) / 2 = 57.5
Walking into snow with that base gives:
57.5 * 2.5 + 15 = 158.
You'll basically cap both at the same time by design. Wasteland badge gives desert a raise of 45 and 20 for snow, which by quick guesstimate makes the situation worse. Let's see:
(170 - 10) / 2 = 80
80 * 2.5 + 15 = 215
So the moment you reach the "fully badged" desert cap, you'll be at 215 in snow, way past the max cap of 180.
Riamus
Hunter
If that is how that is working, they really need to change it. That's really bad.
theFlu
Hunter
It feels weird, but in practice you'll still have higher loot levels in higher biomes. I don't see it as necessarily bad..?
a hero among heroes, what is the name of the mod and where may I find it? Would save me from having to find and mod it myself.
BFT2020
Hunter
Riamus
Hunter
Maybe I misunderstood, then. It looked like you were saying that the loot cap with biome bonus was equal or less for the snowy forest compared to the desert.
No, it's that with the biome bonuses, once you hit the cap in the desert you'll also be at the cap in the snow because of the increased biome bonus.
Honestly, I really think it was better without the biome loot bonuses. But I guess most people didn't like that.
theFlu
Hunter
Well, I wasn't. To condense it down:
The moment you reach the cap for desert (125), you also hit the cap for snow (160).
When you get the wasteland badge, those caps rise, to 170 and 180 - and since they're now so close, you'll cap snow faster than desert.
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I dunno, I like the carrot, but I don't think I like the hard caps in the lesser ones. Moved to wasteland for being capped everywhere else, I don't wanna live here ...
Well, yeah, I'm not a fan of the caps. But I think if they must have them, they work better without the biome loot bonuses, since they work out how you've pointed out.I dunno, I like the carrot, but I don't think I like the hard caps in the lesser ones. Moved to wasteland for being capped everywhere else, I don't wanna live here ...
I definitely do not like having to look at the Wasteland, which is why I'll turn Biome Progression (and storms) off if I start a new 2.0 game (as well as getting mods for removing the 1.0 city/trader changes.)
Samcharles
Refugee
Well, I wasn't. To condense it down:
The moment you reach the cap for desert (125), you also hit the cap for snow (160).
When you get the wasteland badge, those caps rise, to 170 and 180 - and since they're now so close, you'll cap snow faster than desert.
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I dunno, I like the carrot, but I don't think I like the hard caps in the lesser ones. Moved to wasteland for being capped everywhere else, I don't wanna live here ...
If you are in Navezgane there is actually a part of the Pine Forest that is fairly close to the Wasteland.