PC Help picking the right cpu

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I'm hoping to get some advice on picking the right cpu for someone looking to get into modding and potentially starting my own projects. I'm starting to get familiar with unity, blender, and gimp; also, if there are other free programs i should look into, let me know of them please. Audio recording is also something I'd like to do as well. Anyway; i want to get into the art side of game development, but storytelling is my main desire.

Is the 1950x/2950x overkill? Would i be better off with the 8700k as a beginner and upgrading when i get the hang of things? Any other suggestions?

 
lol, you don't need anything remotely powerful to do modding or game development... not unless you're into some hardcore piss in a bucket game development where you never apply deodorant and have the entire pornhub memorized. I'm not judging, just saying. Most ppl hire a crew of ppl to share the work, like TFP, and some of those devs started out with embarrassingly crappy rigs, yet, look at where 7D2D is today. Anyways... get yourself a normal gaming rig and it'll serve you well for all your modding / game developing needs. You don't need some insane overpriced rig where you have to sell your first born just to afford it. If you have money to waste, then wait for the RTX 2080ti to release next week and get that so you can let me know how good it is. ;) You definitely don't need a threadripper or i9 CPU, besides, they're way overpriced for the tiny gain you get.

Remember, if the game you make barely runs on your overpriced system, how is everyone else supposed to run it on their average gaming rig?

Sorry, just finished watching Deadpool 2... got inspired to punch up the language a little.

 
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Lol i was hoping you'd show up and share you rig building expertise! After pre ordering the 2080ti founders, I'm a bit leery to spending much more. 2080 doesn't ship till late september and 9th gen intel's are rumored for october 1st so I'll wait to grab one of those.

Thanks bud... How was deadpool 2 anyway? I've seen the first, but yet to see the second.

 
Deadpool 2 is definitely just as good as the first one... and I'm not kidding you, even

said so, and they crap on pretty much every movie out there.

I would like to say that if you pick Intel as a CPU, you might be picking the wrong team now since AMD is making a huge comeback while Intel continues to sit on their butts doing as little as possible. Intel delays production on 12nm CPUs until 2019 while AMD is already in the process of making 7nm CPUs and plans on releasing them by the end of this year. Having a 7nm chip means far less heat, better clock speeds, and allows even more cores to make your task manager a complete mess. 2019 is going to be an awesome year for computer hardware. SSD prices are also finally going down, which means we might finally start seeing those 50TB SSDs they promised us last year (or was it the year before?).

 
Nice! I love dark humor so I'll have to check it out.

I'll look into the ryzen 5 and 7's then. This pc building is tough; and if i keep waiting for the next big thing I'll never actually build one.

50tb ssd! Wow! I've never heard of such a thing. lol

 
Dark humor is so underrated, there needs to be a lot more of it in movies.

If you go with Ryzen, my suggestion is to avoid the 2nd gen versions (the ones with APU / 2### series), APUs all suck and just get in the way, the minor almost unnoticeable performance gain between the first and 2nd gen just isn't worth it in my opinion. 3rd gen Ryzen should be awesome though... hopefully, cuz I'm ready to build another Ryzen system for dedicated game server. And as I mention in other threads, APU is also one of the reasons why I avoid all Intel CPUs.

Platter drives have basically reached their limit in size (the more they compress, the more unreliable it'll be), but SSDs don't really have a limit that we know of yet... hell, even if they do reach a limit, they could always just expand to a 3 1/2 inch drive size and fit more components to double the drive size. Manufactures are greedy, they hold back technology just so they can get more and more rich... they already displayed a working 50TB ssd, they just don't want to release it yet, instead, they'll just keep releasing increasingly higher storage sizes and bumping up the prices with each new larger size until 50TB becomes less of a big deal.

 
I'll look around some more, but if you were to pair a cpu with one of the new RTX's what would you choose? From what I've gathered so far, the 1700x?

 
Anything above Ryzen 1600 is more than adequate for the latest RTX cards (so a 1700x is perfect), but do keep in mind that unlike Intel, with Ryzen CPUs, Ram speeds matter a great deal. So the real research is in the ram... making sure it's fully supported by the motherboard and can be overclocked to the advertised speeds or at least really close to it.

 
So I've a motherboard that supports the 1700x and at most 3466+ ddr4. Whats got me a little confused is on amd's site unter 1700x it says "max system memory speed 2667." Do i pair ram to the motherboard or cpu?

I don't "have" it; just in the cart. Lol

 
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So I've a motherboard that supports the 1700x and at most 3466+ ddr4. Whats got me a little confused is on amd's site unter 1700x it says "max system memory speed 2667." Do i pair ram to the motherboard or cpu?
I don't "have" it; just in the cart. Lol
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AMD says 2667 MHz cuz it's what they support for all ram sticks advertised for that speed since release (it's also not really considered an overclocked ram), but a lot has changed since release, a lot of bios updates have allowed for much higher ram clock speeds. Intel says the exact same thing about their supported ram speed too. I currently have my ram set to 2933 MHz dual channel for my Ryzen system without tampering with any voltages or w/e, and with all the latest bios updates that came out improving stability, I'm sure with a bit of tweaking the latency, I can get mine to the 3200 MHz the ram was advertised to run at without stability issues. But I'm in no hurry for that tiny performance bump as my system is already far more powerful than I need right now. I'm just happy it runs super stable right now even though it's not in the motherboard's QVL list at all.

What ppl often do is overclock their cpu as high as it'll go without compromising stability (usually a solid 3.9 - 4.1GHz without modifying voltages), then they work on getting the ram speed to go beyond the default 2100 MHz. So CPU first, and then ram. You might not be able to reach the ram's advertised overclock speed (and latency), but you can probably get pretty close to it. As long as you're not messing around with voltages, and are being patient and slowly ramping up the overclocks, I don't think it's possible to damage the system during that process. It just takes a little time and patience.

 
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Ok, i feel quite confident i can put this thing together now. Thanks fox! You've been extremely helpful. I really appreciate you taking all this time to help me out!

 
I'm a little over a month late to the conversation here, so maybe you already bought your parts and have your new system up and running.

But I'd agree with pretty much everything Fox said. However, I'd also add to it.

When I was shopping for a new rig (new parts, really, to upgrade an existing setup), there were a lot of questions about motherboards I had to research. I wanted something that could be upgraded further in the future, but without compromising my budget. I went with a B350 motherboard with 4 DDR4 slots that supported up to 64GB of RAM. This was important to me. I checked the QVL lists for supported RAM, then I scoured the internet for alternative RAM confirmations for the specific sticks that I was looking at, because their price was perfect.

I ended up getting G.Skill Ripjaws Series V 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3000 RAM, an Asrock AB350 Pro 4, and a Ryzen 7 1700 (the 1700 and 1700x are very similar and both can be overclocked to about the same speed). Paired with my GTX 1070 8GB, I feel that my system is in pretty good shape for future games.

So yes, RAM is important, as is the motherboard. Picking a CPU first, then comparing all compatible motherboards, filtered by specific features (for me, it was the maximum RAM), then finding compatible RAM, did the trick.

Hopefully you're already set, but perhaps someone else will find this thread helpful.

 
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