PC V3.0 Sandbox Siege Dev Diary

Adam the Waster said:
Amazing I wounder how it will be with larger worlds
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Large worlds will mostly be the same, but whenever it would have run out of space due to small or thin shaped biomes, mountains, craters, lakes, etc, it will often make a small town now instead of nothing. With the Circle 2 biome layout effectively splitting your biome sizes in half, as there are two smaller areas of each biome, it makes them more likely to have towns, especially if you play on smaller maps, like I normally do.
 
Adam the Waster said:
Thats a first!!!! Congrats
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Considering 3.0 might as well just be 2.7, it's not really a first. It may be considered to be a major update, but it's really just turning XML modding into game options. Yes, I know there are changes to make those settings work better, but even though this will be a "big" update in that it will make for significant changes being possible in vanilla for how the game plays, it won't really be what we normally consider a major update and only major updates (usually) required a new save. :)

Space4Ace said:
@faatal This happens often with wilderness POIs when too close to roads. Couldn't there be a buffer zone around wilderness POIs to keep them from spawning too close to roads? (obviously, this question is posted by someone who knows nothing about programming 😁 )

Was the issue fixed where certain very large POIs don't spawn anywhere on the map?
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The short answer is yes. Teragon has a parameter you can change for roads that will make roads more or less "detailed" in where they are placed so you can avoid this issue. The drawback is that road generation takes longer, the more "detailed" you make it. Teragon calls it simplification. Basically what is means is that with no simplification, the road generation uses the full size map, which allows roads to avoid POI without a problem, but takes longer. As you increase the simplification number, the map size being used is cut in half for each increase in number. So 1 would be half the map size, 2 would be a quarter the map size. This speeds processing up significantly, but it does mean that the location of a POI isn't as "precise" because of the reduced map size. I admit to not having looked too closely into how it works, but I think I'm correct that if a POI covers a block at 1,1 and you are using a full size map, it's known that it's at 1,1 but if it's a half size map, that 1,1 would be seen as being at 0.5,0.5 meaning the real location could be 0,0 or 1,1 or 0,1 or 1,0. And that's just at half size. That makes it more difficult to place roads around the POI since you're not as certain of where it is.

Now, RWG may not do things that same way, but as Teragon can avoid the issue entirely at 0 simplification, it shows that it is possible to avoid it with the road generation. I can't say how best to manage that, though. It may be a buffer, though you of course must have a road that connects to the POI if the POI has a driveway, so you can't entirely keep roads away. But you could place a buffer of X for any road not connecting to that POI and then set it so roads have to come in straight to the driveway from a distance of X, which when combined with the buffer would keep the roads from cutting into the POI.
 
Double G said:
Citing something? On this forum?
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That's why i ask. Because there is only an announcement for the dev stream on the 10th and faatal stating a date for experimental will be given then. There is no might or maybe in space4ace statement, so i wonder where the "apparently" comes from.
 
Prisma501 said:
That's why i ask. Because there is only an announcement for the dev stream on the 10th and faatal stating a date for experimental will be given then. There is no might or maybe in space4ace statement, so i wonder where the "apparently" comes from.
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A few streamers whose channels are dedicated to this game, when talking about the 3.0 dev stream, mentioned quite confidently that the streamer weekend is supposed to be from the 12th to the 14th, and the PC experimental on the 15th. I don’t know where they got this information from, since we haven’t received any official announcement. Maybe they assume it will be like that because it usually follows this pattern, or they received that information earlier as content creators.
 
Prisma501 said:
May i ask where this "apparently" comes from?
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Sadly, I cannot say more since my source has to be kept a secret and... Nah! Kidding!

A streamer mentioned it yesterday during his stream that he will be doing the streamer weekend starting June 12.

I wrote "apparently" because, until TFP confirms it in their stream on June 10, what I wrote is just something someone said and not to be considered "official news".
Also, that streamer talks with a couple of people from the Fun Pimp staff on a regular basis so I consider this a strong possibility.
 
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7DaysToDieEnjoyer said:
A few streamers whose channels are dedicated to this game, when talking about the 3.0 dev stream, mentioned quite confidently that the streamer weekend is supposed to be from the 12th to the 14th, and the PC experimental on the 15th. I don’t know where they got this information from, since we haven’t received any official announcement. Maybe they assume it will be like that because it usually follows this pattern, or they received that information earlier as content creators.
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People who are part of the Content Creator Program have to be told in advance so that they can be available to stream during that weekend.
 
Riamus said:
I'd have to wonder if they are allowed to comment about it in advance if TFP isn't announcing it yet... Oh well. That's between TFP and them.
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fair...to me it sounds like "the streamers" in question didn't say anything until after the dev stream was announced. a nothing burger really. but, not "our" problem.

i am far more curious about when we are going to get briefed about the future plans for the game...what the road map moving forward will look like.
I'd like to know what their vision of 7 dtd as a live service game looks like...and how it changes what has been built. if at all.
 
Prisma501 said:
That's why i ask. Because there is only an announcement for the dev stream on the 10th and faatal stating a date for experimental will be given then. There is no might or maybe in space4ace statement, so i wonder where the "apparently" comes from.
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lately with 7d2d news "apparently" is really the only option people have for assumptions..
past history shows after dev stream/streamer weekend/experimenatl release.
I do not think its to far fetched for him to assume that date based off history, untill i hear something that says different ill buy his timeline.
 
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