What's the point of the apiary?

[zztong]

How much Honey do you get, and how many flowers do they take?

I don't recall seeing any instructions, but it seems to take 10 flowers per honey. There appear to be three slots and each slot takes a different kind of flower.

I'm kind of surprised at having to "fuel" the apiary with flowers. I mean I could see where there had to be flowers planted nearby for the bees, but I guess this way they encourage either farming or lots of harvesting in the wild.

 

[meganoth]

I don't recall seeing any instructions, but it seems to take 10 flowers per honey. There appear to be three slots and each slot takes a different kind of flower.

I'm kind of surprised at having to "fuel" the apiary with flowers. I mean I could see where there had to be flowers planted nearby for the bees, but I guess this way they encourage either farming or lots of harvesting in the wild.

If it really were 10 flowers per honey, honey would be exceptionally expensive. I don't think I would go forward with my plan to make my food honey based then.

 

[warmer]

Iow, the apiary is no different than the dew collector and any arguments over former and current methods of harvesting will be no different than the natural vs artificial water collection debates and TFP should probably decide whether they want this game to be a finished, self-contained unit or a perpetual nightmare.

Feature creep certainly can make a game dev cycle become infinite, but to be fair chicken coops have been a topic of discussion since I first discovered the forums 10 years ago. the apiary was unexpected, but people have been asking for a chicken coop as far back as I can remember. Its just such an obvious loop to close. you have chickens, and you have eggs.... Do you want more chickens? Well then put those eggs somewhere warm and wait. An apiary is the complex solution for a problem I personally never have. I always have honey or antibiotics on me after day 2 or 3. its incredibly rare I dont.

 

[Riamus]

My friend is currently playing v2.5, and mentioned some stuff that foes into the apiary, but I'm stuck waiting for the font size to be returned to v2.4 size, as I cannot read my stanimia numbers currently. How much Honey do you get, and how many flowers do they take?

My current game, I know not how many farm plots I have total. I'm aware of a 23x7 patch, bu not sure how many spares I have and am not yet using. Did day 29 last time I played. Spent friday afternoon-evening in the ER, than all day Saturday, and left this morning (AMA) when they couldn't 'allow/trust' me to walk to the cafeteria. Never did get admitted to the Hospital proper. Ended up walking 3+ miles home on snow and ice covered sidwalks.

Anyway, hoping everyone else is haveing a happy new year.

I haven't really looked at the number of flowers used, but you have spots for goldenrod and chrysanthemum flowers, as well as cotton. You can put as much of each in there as you want. It will use those as "fuel". I've just dropped around 30 of each in them and haven't run out so far. I don't plant flowers or cotton, and still don't with the apiaries. Flowers and cotton are everywhere, so it's easy to just grab a bunch every so often if I need it rather than "waste" farm plots. If you have put points into LotL , you'll get extra plants, making it faster to gather them as well.

Without mods installed into them, you get 1 honey every 2 days per apiary. I assume that's two 60 minute days and varies based on the day length setting you used, but haven't really paid attention even though I'm on 2 hour days. There are 2 mods that improve the amount of honey you get. One doubles the speed and one doubles the harvest, just like with the dew collector. With both installed, you'll get 2 per day (I haven't verified that, but it should be correct).

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

Feature creep certainly can make a game dev cycle become infinite, but to be fair chicken coops have been a topic of discussion since I first discovered the forums 10 years ago. the apiary was unexpected, but people have been asking for a chicken coop as far back as I can remember. Its just such an obvious loop to close. you have chickens, and you have eggs.... Do you want more chickens? Well then put those eggs somewhere warm and wait. An apiary is the complex solution for a problem I personally never have. I always have honey or antibiotics on me after day 2 or 3. its incredibly rare I dont.

Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

 

[zztong]

If it really were 10 flowers per honey, honey would be exceptionally expensive. I don't think I would go forward with my plan to make my food honey based then.

So is it not 10 flowers per honey? So far, that's what I think I observed.

 

[meganoth]

So is it not 10 flowers per honey? So far, that's what I think I observed.

I have no idea. I just think if the work I have to do to fuel the apiary is more work than for other foods then its higher food value is offset by this.Making the honey foods may not bring any advantage except to use up stacks of flowers you have no use for.

 

[Riamus]

So is it not 10 flowers per honey? So far, that's what I think I observed.

Ok, I just checked. It is 10 of any one of the three types per honey (per production of honey, so per 2 if you have the mod that double it).

 

[WarMongerian]

Soif I survive my recent leg infection, and get to play v2.5, I use 2 hours days, does the apiary then grant 2 honey/day? or do I still have that wrong?

For comparison, I currently have 16 Dew Collectors is use in my current game.

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

Soif I survive my recent leg infection, and get to play v2.5, I use 2 hours days, does the apiary then grant 2 honey/day? or do I still have that wrong?

For comparison, I currently have 16 Dew Collectors is use in my current game.

Just go dismantling stumps and trees (providing you have the magazine tree inclusion), dude, if you don't have enough?

Seriously. What's with all the micromanagement....stuff...going on in this game and in this game's community?

 

[theFlu]

What's with all the micromanagement....stuff

This doesn't sound micro-y to me, people just figuring out what the new toy even is. "Produces honey, yes, but at what cost?", pretty basic.

10 flowers sounds steep, but finding and gathering 10 flowers in the wild is trivial compared to 5 stumps; and the flowers are easier to generate as well...

 

[Sapient6]

My friend is currently playing v2.5, and mentioned some stuff that foes into the apiary, but I'm stuck waiting for the font size to be returned to v2.4 size, as I cannot read my stanimia numbers currently. How much Honey do you get, and how many flowers do they take?

Rough timing comparison of fully upgraded dew collector to fully upgraded apiary: in the time it takes the dew collector to produce 6 jars of water, the apiary will produce 2 jars of honey. I could be wrong on numbers here because I have not been paying close attention, but I think that each stack of honey costs 12 flowers. It has fuel slots for goldenrod, chrysanthemum, and cotton. It will consume those sources in that order (e.g. if there is enough goldenrod available it won't use anything else).

addendum: replied without noticing a whole other page of comments...

 

[Vaeliorin]

Just go dismantling stumps and trees (providing you have the magazine tree inclusion), dude, if you don't have enough?

Seriously. What's with all the micromanagement....stuff...going on in this game and in this game's community?

Personally, I like micromanagement. I love factory games and figuring out the ratios of things to set up/build to balance output with consumption. My ideal game would combine 7 Days with Factorio, Stonehearth (so we had an actual community to take care of) and Remnant.

 

[Rotor]

Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

----points---> @theFlu

 

[theFlu]

points

Don't shoot!
For the world, the answer is one thing; for a coop, another For a coop, you're prolly better off with a couple chickens, including one male, than a couple eggs, just in case you might mess up the first incubation

 

[WarMongerian]

I'm looking forward to v2.5, so I can see for myself all these new things. It would be great to have chickens in a pen, and bigs in a yard, as well.

We would have to defend our livestock, both against the 2 and 4 legged kind of threats. Great fun could be had.

 

[Rotor]

, and bigs in a yard,

They are mean and come out of the ground and attack you. It really sucks when you are run away from Zs and happen to cross a farm.

 

[Lax]

Personally, I like micromanagement. I love factory games and figuring out the ratios of things to set up/build to balance output with consumption. My ideal game would combine 7 Days with Factorio, Stonehearth (so we had an actual community to take care of) and Remnant.

Don't forget Space Engineers!

 

[Sapient6]

Don't forget Space Engineers!

That is my favorite game of its type. It hits the sweet spot of letting my automate a ridiculous amount crafting, without crossing over into the territory of games like Satisfactory. I thought I would love Satisfactory for this, and I did at first, but late in the game I feel like I'm spending all of my time optimizing algorithms and fixing bugs in algorithms... but that's my day job. I'm not doing that during my down time unless someone is cutting me a check at my moonlighting rate.

 

[Treb]

I feel like honey brisket is a pretty good food resource wise if you have apiary even without the cure infection effect.

It's one of the only high end food that doesn't require a can (and thus can easily be mass crafted without having to rely on RNG from loot and vending machines).

It also fills you completely unless you're high level and starving.