I have over 4k hours in this game yet I seem to lack the ability to sneak in game wearing all lvl 6 assassin gear, maxed out on every stealth talent and using a bow as my main weapon yet when I’m trying to complete a T6 (sometimes T5) trader quest I get dramatically overwhelmed by ferals irregardless of game time forcing me to switch to the M60. My stealth meter hovers around 11 when crouch walking, 7-9 when standing still and something in game triggers an “alarm” type sound and all hell breaks loose. What am I missing or is sneaking in this game no longer a thing? TIA
Windows Sneaking
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SylenThunder
Community Moderator / IT Guru
Sneaking isn't invisibility, and POI's have trigger zones to prevent full stealth.
With your skill that high, you can lose them pretty quickly and then take them out at your leisure.
This is game mechanics working as they are intended.
With your skill that high, you can lose them pretty quickly and then take them out at your leisure.
This is game mechanics working as they are intended.
zztong
Hunter
I play similarly and can get stealth down to the same range, sometimes lower at night. T6 Assassin gear with stealth-friendly mods. Rogue armor I think would go a couple of points lower on the stealth meter but I want the Assassin benefits for zombie forgetfullness.
Amongst normal sleepers, those single digit stealth values do really well, specially if you can keep to a distant proximity.
Where stealth is challenged is in our expectations compared to the POI creator's expectations when there are triggers and/or minscripts. Because triggered zombies aren't placed until triggered, the only proactive element available to the stealth player is battlefield modification which can enable an escape and the reacquisition of stealth.
The interests of the POI creator, perhaps wanting to tell a story where zombies have wandered into a previously cleared area, conflict with player expectations and effort that they have cleared a safe space. A POI creator who wants to show a series of zombies crawling out of an air duct needs the minscript and waves while the stealth player has to keep running off and reacquiring stealth.
Some players reject the notion that fleeing and reacquiring stealth is desirable game play. I, personally, don't mind that technique except for POIs where that seems to be most of the encounters.
Group play and stealth is pretty awkward, though I recently played with a group where the three regular players took stealth and that was working - right up until two other non-stealth players showed up and joined.
I have been wondering if the triggers and minscripts might be getting overused. Or, if not, then perhaps there might be some "randomness" to the reaction of zombies that have been triggered such that maybe some are wanderers unaware of the player, or something else.
While the game is probably working at intended, not all stealth players probably agree. I largely agree the stealth system is probably working fine, but the POI composition is probably working against perceptions and I don't know if the use of triggers and minscripts will moderate, get larger, or what.
Amongst normal sleepers, those single digit stealth values do really well, specially if you can keep to a distant proximity.
Where stealth is challenged is in our expectations compared to the POI creator's expectations when there are triggers and/or minscripts. Because triggered zombies aren't placed until triggered, the only proactive element available to the stealth player is battlefield modification which can enable an escape and the reacquisition of stealth.
The interests of the POI creator, perhaps wanting to tell a story where zombies have wandered into a previously cleared area, conflict with player expectations and effort that they have cleared a safe space. A POI creator who wants to show a series of zombies crawling out of an air duct needs the minscript and waves while the stealth player has to keep running off and reacquiring stealth.
Some players reject the notion that fleeing and reacquiring stealth is desirable game play. I, personally, don't mind that technique except for POIs where that seems to be most of the encounters.
Group play and stealth is pretty awkward, though I recently played with a group where the three regular players took stealth and that was working - right up until two other non-stealth players showed up and joined.
I have been wondering if the triggers and minscripts might be getting overused. Or, if not, then perhaps there might be some "randomness" to the reaction of zombies that have been triggered such that maybe some are wanderers unaware of the player, or something else.
While the game is probably working at intended, not all stealth players probably agree. I largely agree the stealth system is probably working fine, but the POI composition is probably working against perceptions and I don't know if the use of triggers and minscripts will moderate, get larger, or what.
EvilPolygons
Survivor
For the most part I agree. Part of playing a stealth character in this game is anticipating where/when ambushes and loot room battles are going to occur, and preparing for them by laying traps or mines or simply having an exit route secured. TFP has eased up on attack volumes quite a bit the last few updates and a stealth build is more viable now than it has been in a long time.