Good point.... and when you collect those you automatically gain the container that goes with it. So, like I said, if you could collect jars of murky water from a lake, then it would work the same. Since you can't I stand by what I said earlier.... they're not the same.
When you had jars, it also took time to gather and boil. I think its worse, because you are not limited by how many jars you have.
i really miss being able to melt snow in a can on a campfire. Now that was cool. Way too many cool ideas removed from the game.
I could fill 40 inventory slots with water buckets and that would be less than what you can currently carry in a SINGLE inventory slot in vanilla.
Which is why I said that jars, including murky water, should only stack to 15. As I said before, the biggest problem, IMO, with the old system was the jars stack size. It takes very little time and effort to grab 500 jars and fill them up all at once, but if you had to do it 15 at a time, it becomes a very different story.
1 bucket per slot. They don't stack.
A bucket can only hold 3 units of murky water.
That's 3 murky water per inventory slot.
Murky water currently stacks to 125 per inventory slot.
3 < 125. This is basic grade school math. It's not hard.
3 murky water per slot... is less... than 125 murky water per slot.
120 murky water in 40 slots of buckets is certainly less than 5,000 units of murky water in 40 slots.
When did I say buckets were easier than jars? I was talking about the concept of getting jars of murky water directly from open water.... just like getting containers of gas or oil directly from cars. While that would solve my issue with not being able to collect water, it would create a larger, IMO, issue of infinite water with zero limitations. Having to have empty jars to collect water would provide a limitation. If you want to have buckets instead of jars? Sure, why not.... it still solves the problem. I just like jars better.
I was rushed, the thought I intended to carry across was 'how many people', IE, how commonplace they'd be for widespread random loot; I too have shelves of Ball jars, but I wouldn't expect a majority of homes to have them.
I thought on canteen/thermos/waterskin, and I kind of retract my prior hypothetical support for something like that. It'd take a total reinventing of the water wheel, I think, and be a level of development time to devise that I think even more people would be upset with it; I've tried to think of a good implementation method, and every one is just worse and jankier than what drinks are using currently.
There's meetings, discussions, ruminations, devising a playable test, playtesting it themselves, and any number of deeper steps for it. One of the TFP guys took the time to pose a question in a, frankly, hostile social media environment, and he was replying and discussing in the comments; I doubt they dismissed the discussions, it just takes time to process things across a team who will all have their own opinions and angles. Not getting constant updates on their processes doesn't equate to zero processes happening.
How dare you? This is the Internet, any opinions must include a wide number of insults, slanders, mockeries, derogatory implications, and belittling condescension. If you aren't 100% in agreement with my opinions, then you are instantly 1,000% against me.
That's not why they were removed. They were removed because they trivialized water.
The problem with that is it makes it even worse for those of us who don't want to deal with jars. At least when it was 125, I could loot everything and ignore that I got empty jars and they'd only take one slot until I hit 125. With only 15, I'd be using multiple slots very quickly in a POI, especially a tier 5 POI. Since I don't normally spend time looking at what I loot and just hit loot all for each container, I'd quickly end up with a bunch of slots filled with jars that I'd then have to drop in order to pick up other things when I got full. That's what I don't want to have to do again and one reason why I don't support adding empty jars back.
I don't know about older alphas, but when I was playing the game with jars, I never crafted any and could have hundreds in a very short time just from looting. And if you choose to craft them, it was easy to craft many of them very quickly. I could then go to water and fill a stack of 125 in a single click without any timer. That's not exactly much "time to gather". Now, boiling took time. But you still have to do that unless you buy the water filter mod. But yeah, if you compare collecting water with jars to using dew collectors that have the filter, you avoid the boiling time. But you can also spend all your water and go immediately refill all of it immediately without waiting, compared to a dew collector that takes time to get more water. And considering you can boil water without being there and with the cooking perks, that can be done pretty quickly, it's easy to boil hundreds of water in a short time with a few campfires that are extremely cheap to make. So all in all, jars were far cheaper and faster to get tons of water with than dew collectors.
I believe that inventory management is an integral part of a survival game, which is why I don't really have a problem with it. Fortunately for you, should they ever add jars back, you can always mod them out again.
Heh, no need to run a comparison, you are absolutely right.... getting water in the old system was far too quick and easy, which is why I would want far more limited stack sizes. But with dew collectors its not all that different; I usually start with 5 or so and pretty quickly ramp up to 10-20. I like stockpiling supplies. So water is never a problem for me beyond the first couple of days.
I support inventory management, but only for things that are necessary in the game. I don't support inventory management of things that are essentially junk that isn't worth selling. I don't use backpack mods (unless I'm using Vehicle Madness because that has so many additional things for you to loot) because of that. However, space wasted for unnecessary things isn't something I support for inventory management. If it was a game with junk items that sold for decent money and you needed to make money and that was a good way to do so, then it's worth it. In this game, money is mostly useless and extremely easy to get and I don't think empty jars were even worth selling (I forget what they sold for, or even if they could be sold... I always just either dropped them in a chest and ignored them or else threw them on the ground). So managing a pointless item, especially if it had a small stack size and was found all over the place like they were, isn't a good thing.
So, it is far faster. It's also far cheaper. Your argument was that you thought jars were better because of the time spent gathering and boiling the water (see quote below). But you agree that that is not the case. It's faster, so that time spent is less. Yes, there is a jar limitation, but you can keep refilling them, so that's not much of a limitation. And you can compare that limitation to the number of dew collectors you make.
