Arma Rex
Active member
One thing is a stated goal that the developers made early into the kickstarter, that has yet to be met for over a decade. The other is a desire of a small fraction of players. These are not the same.
PC Bandits and PvP
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Arma Rex
Active member
How has the option to engage in PVP changed within development? It's never been an explicit part of the game, and probably will not be for the foreseeable future.
HammerDano
Active member
to me it hasn't...you can still shoot, stab, burn or slash another player...he's the one with the ideas about making it better for that style.
if it was never an explicit part of the game... then why are there still PVP achievements that can be "earned"?
i won't speculate...not something i want, but, wouldn't care if there was a pvp mode someday. might get bored of vanilla and want a new mode way down the road.
if it was never an explicit part of the game... then why are there still PVP achievements that can be "earned"?
i won't speculate...not something i want, but, wouldn't care if there was a pvp mode someday. might get bored of vanilla and want a new mode way down the road.
HammerDano
Active member
but, until consoles also have dedicated servers, it is useless to even really worry about.
Space4Ace
Well-known member
No, you don't get it. You keep recycling the same things over and over, even after your messages are moved to the General section. You keep coming back here again and again with the same stuff.
2.0 is not changing anything about PvP or it would have been mentioned already.
Grandpa Minion
Active member
i wouldnt consider millions of account that have playd pvp "small" yes.. the amount of (xbox, ps5, steam and steam hack accounts) that have been sold over the last decade that have playd pvp during that time exceeds well into the many many millions.
Arma Rex
Active member
I'm not going to bother engaging with someone who is willing to lie about player numbers. You're wrong, and you've never made any meaningful points towards your play style.
beerfly
Colony Rounder
Dude, seriously...repeating words and standing on your thoughts avoiding the truth that even Devs told you is a bit enough.
Let's wait for the further development of that game, I am sure there will be stuff for PvP players, but let's avoid pushing it. Never worked.
Grandpa Minion
Active member
SylenThunder
Community Moderator / IT Guru
You mean you have been AFK on your server so it always shows someone logged in. We've been here before. Those hours mean nothing.
Riamus
Well-known member
No one has said that NPCs can do what a person can. That is obvious and doesn't remotely help your case. Far more people play games against NPCs than those who play PVP. And I am not just talking about this game. People don't care that they can't do what a person can. And, for many people, that is actually a positive because PVP players are very often extremely negative people to play with or against. That isn't always the case, but it is very common. It is a major reason why such a low percentage of players want to play PVP. PVP would get more interest if the players involved acted better than they do.
Here you go again. Making up numbers. It has been shown repeatedly how won't your numbers are. Actual unique PVP players (not people who just goof around and kill a friend with friendly fire or who go after achievements, and not multiple accounts for the same person) are going to be well below a million. And if you just look at current PVP players from the time the current PVP achievements were added, you are looking at under 100k. And if you look at the number of players at a given time, you are looking at under 1k. The achievements prove that for Steam. Console can't really do PVP other than in a very limited way, so you can't consider then right now. And although non-Steam players will increase the count, you are still going to see around the same very low percentage (about 3% who have killed at last 25 enemies, and since that includes NPC kills from mods and achievement hunter and friendly fire, none of which are actual PVP, the percentage is under 1%).
And this again, too? That isn't play time. No one believes that it is, so stop trying to act like it is. That is either your server uptime or idling at the menu.
We have been over all this repeatedly with you. And you keep using the same made up "facts" as if we would forget. You were also moved to a separate topic at least twice already. Why do you keep invading this topic?
Grandpa Minion
Active member
First of all things got side tracked. I apologize and definitely am not trying to side track this thread, someone asked a question and I responded. The important thing is I would like to thank TFP for this new update. Over the years on pvp servers when a player spawned in he had the option to run away to a different biom. This new update is going change all that which will create a lot more pvp situations. The weather update is about as good of an update anybody could have asked for helps pve and pvp. 2nd of all I appreciate faatal more than anything, his work on fixn pvp bugs is our only hope on the pvp side until workshop support is releases so I most definitely get side tracked when I see him working on bandits. 2.0 I believe will be the best alpha realese and thanks again tfp for finally bringing us a pvp update!
Jost Amman
Well-known member
I think there's a difference between pure PvP gameplay, and PvE + player damage ON and random scuffles between players.
HammerDano
Active member
fair enough, my reaction was to someone saying there was never explicit PVP gameplay. which just isn't strictly true.
I loved the initial launch on console, and at the time there wasn't much else to do...so there was more pvp, at least, that was my experience with the "legacy" version.
4sheetzngeegles
Well-known member
Here is the thing that goes against your arguments
You are constantly mixing your tense statements.
Example: Play, Are playing, Have played, Will play. Unless in a temporal
void or paradox, they are not one and the same.
Clarification:
Play-----------is semi-present timeline for now and recently near past.
Are playing----present tense that can be measured at this point in time.
Have played--- A past tense that is not active today
Will play---Is the attempted prognostication, It hasn't happened yet. In simple
terms it's just wishful thinking. Because if you can actually achieve this point
then you already know what is going to happen, and that would make posting moot
or a redundant exercise in futility.
Are Playing
Online 129 pvp players, 41 pvp servers. Total servers online 11622 =
0.0035277921183961 percent pvp players to total population Now as of 20 min past EST
Play
Refer to Are playing results
Have played: you say millions, The pertinent question that follows why are they not
playing now, and why have they stopped playing and why have they not returned to playing
now? With this I can only hypothesize from reading posts, the environment people and mentality
associated with the specific type of play is not desired, as a player population. The game is
not built or directed toward that type of play. That is an Owner developer decision.
Will Play: Good luck with that. IF an owner says no, to developing in that direction
then that says it all. If you go to someones home and they are serving beef Chili for dinner,
but you prefer and demand crow the usual end result is to be ignored or kicked out, and you have
to just be satisfied on the outside eating crow.
Presentation is the key to understanding on both sides.
You are constantly mixing your tense statements.
Example: Play, Are playing, Have played, Will play. Unless in a temporal
void or paradox, they are not one and the same.
Clarification:
Play-----------is semi-present timeline for now and recently near past.
Are playing----present tense that can be measured at this point in time.
Have played--- A past tense that is not active today
Will play---Is the attempted prognostication, It hasn't happened yet. In simple
terms it's just wishful thinking. Because if you can actually achieve this point
then you already know what is going to happen, and that would make posting moot
or a redundant exercise in futility.
Are Playing
Online 129 pvp players, 41 pvp servers. Total servers online 11622 =
0.0035277921183961 percent pvp players to total population Now as of 20 min past EST
Play
Refer to Are playing results
Have played: you say millions, The pertinent question that follows why are they not
playing now, and why have they stopped playing and why have they not returned to playing
now? With this I can only hypothesize from reading posts, the environment people and mentality
associated with the specific type of play is not desired, as a player population. The game is
not built or directed toward that type of play. That is an Owner developer decision.
Will Play: Good luck with that. IF an owner says no, to developing in that direction
then that says it all. If you go to someones home and they are serving beef Chili for dinner,
but you prefer and demand crow the usual end result is to be ignored or kicked out, and you have
to just be satisfied on the outside eating crow.
Presentation is the key to understanding on both sides.
beerfly
Colony Rounder
No one really cares. Sorry. We had enough of your repetitive stuff..
Try moving objects by thoughts, you've got better chance to change anything while we wait for the pumps do the proper stuff and keep enjoying it. Wish I could have a beer with you some day after gold is released, so we discuss all that matters.
Nice, an opportunity to test "moderatorspeak": [Careful guys, there is an fine line between simply disagreeing and telling someone to shut up or go away. There is a rule against the latter, but also rules against posting the same too often. Report it if you feel that is the case]
Grandpa Minion
Active member
since your wanting to do name changes now i have a recommendation for you:
This game revolves around Dexter (Space Ace) rescuing Kimberly from Commander Borf, who has used an "Infanto Ray" to transform Ace into his adolescent form, Dexter.
Commander Borf would suit you well...
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Roland
Super Moderator
A) Exactly. no bandit will go off script and stop roleplaying as a bandit. For the eventual story mode and in general new enemy types and challenges, bandits are going to be critical and other players won't be able to fill that role.
B) Did you just admit that no further resources are needed for PvP? I'll pass your feedback along.
I call bull on that. The question that was asked was whether 3.0 and 4.0 would take as long as 2.0. You did not answer that question but instead used it as an excuse to bring up topics that you know from experience will derail the developer diary thread. That isn't going to happen any more.
HammerDano
Active member
great. so If I take you at your word, this should be a quick refining of what they had, shouldn't take another year...any idea if that is true?