PC V2.3 Experimental

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Hey Survivors!

Today we have V2.3 experimental for you all.

We have a lot of changes that were talked about in the Town Hall Stream with more to come at a later date.

Disclaimer:
While we worked hard to make sure save games continue without issue, please make a back up of your current save before starting the game in V2.3
We've also added a runtime function that will automatically convert the old badges to the new survival gear.
Some challenges will remain completed, while others will be optional for those that choose to complete them.
If the badges were previously unlocked, the recipes for the new survival gear should also be unlocked.

Highlights:
  • Biomes and their Challenges can be explored and completed in any order to unlock Survival Gear recipes
  • Recover from biome hazard effects while sheltered allowing players to explore deeper into each biome
  • Recover from biome hazard effects in any other biome
  • Smoothies were updated with unique names and icons
  • Biome Badges have been changed to Survival Gear with updated icons to look more thematic to the game's style
  • Survival Gear will be dropped on death with those settings enabled
  • Players are allowed to craft additional gear items in the case of death or even for other players
  • Even without Survival Gear, storms no longer require players to escape the biome they are in while taking shelter
  • Plague Spitters no longer cloak
  • Lower chance of infection from Plague Spitter Insect Swarm
  • Tree stump bees have been changed to a non-infecting version
  • Tree stump harvest event has been updated to guarantee honey "IF" bees are spawned
  • Several zombie types will now target animal or player corpses that were previously ignored
  • Added a 2nd column of icons to use for custom map waypoints
  • Several tweaks to zombie AI
  • Dew Collectors have a lower activity heat value

Here is how you participate:
  1. Right click on the game in steam
  2. Click on properties
  3. Click the “betas” tab
  4. The drop down menu will have latest_experimental available <— you want THAT
  5. Select that and wait for the game to download

Have fun!


Here's what changed since V2.2 stable:

Added
  • Bee Swarm entity variant for tree stump game event
  • Bee Swarm hand item with non critical debuffs
  • Updated icons for Biome Survival Gear
  • WornItemMods min effect requirement
  • HonkEvent for vehicles to allow game events to fire based on honking the horn.
  • AI wander and look are more active while alert
  • AI randomly turns during look while alert
  • Second column of icons to use for custom map waypoints

Changed
  • Removed erroneous second set of tags from ammoCrossbowBoltExploding
  • Disabled biome Wear, Loot, and Time challenges
  • Biome Badges are now separate weather items per biome.
  • Removed RepairItemsMeshDamage property from jail doors since they don't have a door frame stage
  • Taking shelter without survival gear will recover biome hazard effects
  • All biome hazards now have 3 minutes of survival time without gear
  • Survival gear is now dropped on death with drop on death settings
  • Updated icons for biome hazard reducers
  • Removed food and water stats from Black Lung Serum and Fallout Flush
  • Increased food, water, and health stat on Scorcher Stew to be inline with other stew stats
  • Increased water stat on Sunstroke Tonic
  • Updated the recipe for Scorcher Stew
  • Tree stumps now roll once for honey, then again for bees. Bees always come with honey, but not all honey comes with bees.
  • Reworked buff weights for a lower chance of infection from Plague Spitter Insect Swarm
  • Reduced dew collector activity value
  • Replaced plague spitter fade with a low rate of wandering
  • Storm messages will no longer say to leave biome
  • Biome Hazards recover in any other biome
  • Improved AI wander position variety
  • Increased AI alert time after investigation point reached
  • Increased rate AI interest distance returns to the default value
  • Updated shotgun shell icon to match other shotgun ammo icons

  • Fixed
  • AI ranged projectile attacks would start when the target was dead
  • Frostclaw, plague spitter, spider, cop, mutated and demolition zombies would not eat animal corpses
  • Water is not visible through glass
  • Distant water seam if near water is to the side
  • Underwater distortion could be clipped at certain angles
  • Trader Bob VO Trade 17 line cuts off
  • Air drop marker still shows when setting has it off
  • NRE when spawning insects after destroying tree stump using vehicle
  • Icon background textures not cleared when switching between containers - second issue
  • AI wander random range was 1m too short and only used 1m increments
  • Biome spawned AI move speed increase from storms did not happen at night
 
I like the sound of all of those biome-related changes; progression from biome to biome will feel much less gamey and artificial after this update. So I'm looking forward to it.

Personally, would I prefer it if the whole biome survival thing was less binary? Yeah. As it is, you're either at the mercy of the elements or fully protected. There's not much granularity there.

Just spitballing here, but if survival gear wasn't 100% damage proof, and if shelters in hazardous biomes gave full protection only if you craft/purchase and then deploy some kind of equipment or station (an air filtration unit, or insulation, or hot tub, or hookah lounge, or whatever), that would make survival in the extreme biomes more interesting.

Of course, most people would hate it, and then Reddit would get all Reddity... and the Steams forums would get super salty... there would be a great gnashing of teeth, and stomping of feet, and shaking of fists... there would be a great bombing of reviews...

Oh well. It would make a good mod.
 
Will there be anything to bring back the main menu features?? Or in game for example i used to run an information panel that had buttons and tabs but since 2.0 it cannot operate with buttons etc any more
 
It seems to me that everything that was new was introduced and sensibly in version 2.x.
In this update, it was done the opposite!

Recover from biome hazard effects while sheltered allowing players to explore deeper into each biome - oops found a big POI and done... completed the challenge
Players are allowed to craft additional gear items in the case of death or even for other players - it's completely absurd, you didn't fulfill it but you will receive it from others (you will buy it or exchange it)
which ruins the whole point of going through the biome challenge on servers
 
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HonkEvent for vehicles to allow game events to fire based on honking the horn.

curious about this one...does this mean the vanilla game is getting "honk to open" for trader gates?
 
Love the changes. It's obvious that you all are taking what you said on the Town Hall seriously.

And guys, remember to be patient with TFP. They are not going to be able to release one, huge update with everything they mentioned in their stream. It's going to take time and this is a good start.
 
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While this is good I wish there would be way more optimizations, the fact that around 60 zombies will lower my FPS from around 170 down to 40 is pretty bad. It would help if their logic would run in parallel (to some degree) but I imagine that it's pretty difficult with the spaghetti code, it's not exactly a secret to how the code looks like given anyone can fire up dnSpy or ILSpy and have a look and I studied more of the code then I would like to admit.
 
ZehMatt said:
While this is good I wish there would be way more optimizations, the fact that around 60 zombies will lower my FPS from around 170 down to 40 is pretty bad. It would help if their logic would run in parallel (to some degree) but I imagine that it's pretty difficult with the spaghetti code, it's not exactly a secret to how the code looks like given anyone can fire up dnSpy or ILSpy and have a look and I studied more of the code then I would like to admit.
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You can always try to submit a PR mate. 😇
 
ZehMatt said:
While this is good I wish there would be way more optimizations, the fact that around 60 zombies will lower my FPS from around 170 down to 40 is pretty bad. It would help if their logic would run in parallel (to some degree) but I imagine that it's pretty difficult with the spaghetti code, it's not exactly a secret to how the code looks like given anyone can fire up dnSpy or ILSpy and have a look and I studied more of the code then I would like to admit.
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It's already been shown that their AI (or logic) is less of a performance hit than their physics calculations. The fact that they have all their colliders active and they're running at full rates, etc, at all distances is extremely expensive.

I will bet that those types of more complex optimizations would at best be seen in a sequel and never in this game.
 
I'm glad to see you guys addressing the issues so soon after the town hall! Very keen to try this new experimental with my singleplayer world, I had to turn storms off they were just too annoying :^)

Edit: I was able to load in my V2.2 save with no issues, I'm liking the hazard gear a lot more than badges! I dig the new versions of the smoothies, keen to see what else you guys have in store.
 
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Double G said:
It's already been shown that their AI (or logic) is less of a performance hit than their physics calculations. The fact that they have all their colliders active and they're running at full rates, etc, at all distances is extremely expensive.

I will bet that those types of more complex optimizations would at best be seen in a sequel and never in this game.
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Yes that is ONE of the bottlenecks, also it doesn't help that they check for collisions each frame rather than each tick, this is probably just to make it "smooth", not the first time that FixedUpdate vs Update was not correctly used.
 
Hated said:
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Hey Survivors!

Today we have V2.3 experimental for you all.

We have a lot of changes that were talked about in the Town Hall Stream with more to come at a later date.

Disclaimer:
While we worked hard to make sure save games continue without issue, please make a back up of your current save before starting the game in V2.3
We've also added a runtime function that will automatically convert the old badges to the new survival gear.
Some challenges will remain completed, while others will be optional for those that choose to complete them.
If the badges were previously unlocked, the recipes for the new survival gear should also be unlocked.

Highlights:
  • Biomes and their Challenges can be explored and completed in any order to unlock Survival Gear recipes
  • Recover from biome hazard effects while sheltered allowing players to explore deeper into each biome
  • Recover from biome hazard effects in any other biome
  • Smoothies were updated with unique names and icons
  • Biome Badges have been changed to Survival Gear with updated icons to look more thematic to the game's style
  • Survival Gear will be dropped on death with those settings enabled
  • Players are allowed to craft additional gear items in the case of death or even for other players
  • Even without Survival Gear, storms no longer require players to escape the biome they are in while taking shelter
  • Plague Spitters no longer cloak
  • Lower chance of infection from Plague Spitter Insect Swarm
  • Tree stump bees have been changed to a non-infecting version
  • Tree stump harvest event has been updated to guarantee honey "IF" bees are spawned
  • Several zombie types will now target animal or player corpses that were previously ignored
  • Added a 2nd column of icons to use for custom map waypoints
  • Several tweaks to zombie AI
  • Dew Collectors have a lower activity heat value

Here is how you participate:
  1. Right click on the game in steam
  2. Click on properties
  3. Click the “betas” tab
  4. The drop down menu will have latest_experimental available <— you want THAT
  5. Select that and wait for the game to download

Have fun!


Here's what changed since V2.2 stable:

Added
  • Bee Swarm entity variant for tree stump game event
  • Bee Swarm hand item with non critical debuffs
  • Updated icons for Biome Survival Gear
  • WornItemMods min effect requirement
  • HonkEvent for vehicles to allow game events to fire based on honking the horn.
  • AI wander and look are more active while alert
  • AI randomly turns during look while alert
  • Second column of icons to use for custom map waypoints

Changed
  • Removed erroneous second set of tags from ammoCrossbowBoltExploding
  • Disabled biome Wear, Loot, and Time challenges
  • Biome Badges are now separate weather items per biome.
  • Removed RepairItemsMeshDamage property from jail doors since they don't have a door frame stage
  • Taking shelter without survival gear will recover biome hazard effects
  • All biome hazards now have 3 minutes of survival time without gear
  • Survival gear is now dropped on death with drop on death settings
  • Updated icons for biome hazard reducers
  • Removed food and water stats from Black Lung Serum and Fallout Flush
  • Increased food, water, and health stat on Scorcher Stew to be inline with other stew stats
  • Increased water stat on Sunstroke Tonic
  • Updated the recipe for Scorcher Stew
  • Tree stumps now roll once for honey, then again for bees. Bees always come with honey, but not all honey comes with bees.
  • Reworked buff weights for a lower chance of infection from Plague Spitter Insect Swarm
  • Reduced dew collector activity value
  • Replaced plague spitter fade with a low rate of wandering
  • Storm messages will no longer say to leave biome
  • Biome Hazards recover in any other biome
  • Improved AI wander position variety
  • Increased AI alert time after investigation point reached
  • Increased rate AI interest distance returns to the default value
  • Updated shotgun shell icon to match other shotgun ammo icons

  • Fixed
  • AI ranged projectile attacks would start when the target was dead
  • Frostclaw, plague spitter, spider, cop, mutated and demolition zombies would not eat animal corpses
  • Water is not visible through glass
  • Distant water seam if near water is to the side
  • Underwater distortion could be clipped at certain angles
  • Trader Bob VO Trade 17 line cuts off
  • Air drop marker still shows when setting has it off
  • NRE when spawning insects after destroying tree stump using vehicle
  • Icon background textures not cleared when switching between containers - second issue
  • AI wander random range was 1m too short and only used 1m increments
  • Biome spawned AI move speed increase from storms did not happen at night
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This is all really exciting! BUT!!! I want nothing to do with it if you can’t promise me I won’t get locked out of another one of my own servers, still trying to recover from the last two hits I’ve had to take. I’m getting tired of putting tons of effort into something just for it to get deleted/destroyed because you thought finally that “bees should live in the stumps now”.. (for example). Cause I’m not interested in starting over every other day, can we find a way to update without forcing a server into extinction please? This to me is predominately a building game. So forcing a full server reset every update is absolutely BONKERS. This game is the only reason I bought the Xbox series x, and I appreciate it if you were a little more considerate of my time and energy spent playing. Stop deleting my server
 

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