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PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary
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Matt115
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Roland - i will give example. They made crafting steel tool ineffcient because it is much easier to find steel tools that make them. Before dunno in a17 you could get steel tools very soon and looting was less usefull. now mining and advance crafting is useless because it is easier to find complited so they forced people to looting. I honestly hate this- why? because after 60+ h while playing with my friend coudn't find anywhere beaker. And another problem- passive defence is pointless now- why? let say you will make 10 lenght spike filed around you base- zombie will only focusing on 2- 3 places in your defence like X mean spike
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No, you haven't found the right way to use spike traps.
Plant them in the ground, make their top be level with the ground and zombies will treat them like a plane floor and walk all over them.
Roland
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"Digging" is not an AI Task that can be excluded or altered, Rather it is an integrated part of the pathing code that determines how zombies get to the player. That's not to say that @faatal couldn't do something to allow the option but it might be more work than they are willing to do if it involves rewriting the pathing code rather than simply editing a few values.
Blake_
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PoloPoPo
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Quick question considering the book Art of mining Vol. 3:
It says it gives 10 % more ressources when mining with an axe or pick axe under the influence of coffee.
Does that mean this does not give 10 % more when mining with an auger? I have always used coffee with an auger... turns out this might have been useless all the hours?
Or has this been changed to A20?
It says it gives 10 % more ressources when mining with an axe or pick axe under the influence of coffee.
Does that mean this does not give 10 % more when mining with an auger? I have always used coffee with an auger... turns out this might have been useless all the hours?
Or has this been changed to A20?
Jay_ombie
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I am interested in a clock remover. I want to have to rely on the position of the sun in the game to govern time. Its beautifully placed there and is such a atmospherically thing to have to do in game I am not sure why its not a default requirement..
Matt115
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Yep i was testing this too and this most of the time ( except one time on A19 in flat- in this situation i hadn't doors only tons of spikes and this works dunno why but zombie only focused on exit )
Mahnogard
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but in the XML the perk is tagged for miningTool, and augers are tagged as miningTool so I'm going to say that it does affect augers.Quick question considering the book Art of mining Vol. 3:
It says it gives 10 % more ressources when mining with an axe or pick axe under the influence of coffee.
Does that mean this does not give 10 % more when mining with an auger? I have always used coffee with an auger... turns out this might have been useless all the hours?
Or has this been changed to A20?
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POCKET951
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I wouldn't call it flawless. There are still alot of bugs and maybe even a bit of balance issues to iron out. (Rarity of acid,beakers,sewing kits for example)ltbrunt said:
Also making .44 less rare and making it so you don't loot containers to have nothing in it/be empty.
If you Lootnsomething and it is empty, why didn't it just tell you it was empty?
Alpha 20 overall is really solid and stable, and as I said some things still need a bit of fine tuning and alot of bugs still need fixing .
Overall 9/10 release
bdubyah
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Quantum Blue
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Quantum Blue
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An evaluation of 7D2D Day 'Cycle' Time
A small comparison table:
Day Cycle Real Trader # of
Setting Time Vender 7th Day
(Mins) (Hours) Supply Drop Hordes
60 7 2 1
60 14 4 2
60 21 6 3
60 28 8 4
120 7 0 0
120 14 2 1
120 21 3 1
120 28 4 2
7 Days to Die is not a game where any/all time slices are 'tension' 'equal'. Because it has 'events' that drive player actions. (Almost always. Unless you change settings...) Because of this, players are nudged into preparing for these events. And, also not just because of this, but because almost every game has what is called a net positive time effect. Meaning, most actions are rewarded with positive effects, more/better objects, etc. Because that allows to game creators to increase the pressure/threat/tension, so that the player can continue with more actions, usually augmented with rewards to make those more difficult situations easier. (And it continues...)
Something the table shows is that regardless of the time setting (assuming all other settings being default or equal) that players will have the same number of drops or vendor/trader changes before the next horde night. (30 min is not exactly true right away, but it does end up being the same after some time.) It also shows that the 120 min cycle setting allows for twice as much time to be prepared for the next horde. And, because, 7D2D is a net positive time effect game, it will almost always result in a better than 2x factor for being ready.
Having said that, I also realize that if a player relies solely or mostly on Supply Drops, Vending Machines (for Food), and Traders (especially for ammo) that the game might appear to be more difficult. But, that almost seems to ignore all the additional time for farming, hunting, crafting, etc. An analogy for me would be setting the experience setting to provide 200% experience, but then only assigning perks to things you never or almost never use.
I know 90 minute and 120 minute settings make the game easier. (90 being half as much as 120.) Just like I now know that the 30 minute setting makes the 'harder'. You are always scrambling to get ready for the first horde. And, you realize that choices need to be made very quickly and that time is extremely precious and cannot be wasted. 120 minute setting is very much the opposite. If I make a mistake, almost always no big deal to fix. Lots of time. I can craft twice as many bullets every day on 120 vs 60. (And half as many on the 30 minute setting.) Because it's not just about crafting time, I have twice as much time to go find brass, after I emptied the trader of all of his ammo.) And I will have almost twice as much experience for each horde as I do on 60 minutes. (That's not speculation. I do.)
Now, you could posit that after 14 hours real time my two characters will have roughly the same amount of experience at either setting. (Assuming settings are the same, and that my playstyle is the same). And actually, it works out that that seems to be 'close'. (Level / GameStage / LootStage) What it is not saying is that my 60 minute character has had to survive 2 hordes (and the tension that goes with that), while my 120 minute character has had only one. Yes, my 60 minute character has twice as many loot drops, but all loot drops are not that great (especially having been tweaked/rebalanced again), and is almost never close to making up for you needed to use for the horde. (If it did, you would never need to do anything else...) And, yes, the 60 min cycle character is getting more experience from the doubling of the hordes, but it doesn't make up for the extra z's and other activities that provide experience on the other 6 days that my 120 minute cycle character gets twice as much time to do. My 120 minute cycle horde battles are definitely easier than the same horde battle for the 60 minute cycle character. (And, as I mentioned, tension is not the same. And, 30 minute cycle tension is just too crazy for me. Maybe Aldranon, JaxTeller, KhaineGB, etc.)
The 60 minute cycle setting seems to be extremely well balanced with regards to 'tension' and 'relaxation'. (That's kind of a 'duh' as it is probably the basis for just about everything TFP does.)
BTW: This is not an admonition or anything about what cycle anyone uses or how to play. I would even promote trying 90 or 120 or even the 30 minute settings. One of the reasons 7D2D might be so successful is because it has so many ways for people to experience.
Just trying to help provide a foundation for conversations.
A small comparison table:
Day Cycle Real Trader # of
Setting Time Vender 7th Day
(Mins) (Hours) Supply Drop Hordes
60 7 2 1
60 14 4 2
60 21 6 3
60 28 8 4
120 7 0 0
120 14 2 1
120 21 3 1
120 28 4 2
7 Days to Die is not a game where any/all time slices are 'tension' 'equal'. Because it has 'events' that drive player actions. (Almost always. Unless you change settings...) Because of this, players are nudged into preparing for these events. And, also not just because of this, but because almost every game has what is called a net positive time effect. Meaning, most actions are rewarded with positive effects, more/better objects, etc. Because that allows to game creators to increase the pressure/threat/tension, so that the player can continue with more actions, usually augmented with rewards to make those more difficult situations easier. (And it continues...)
Something the table shows is that regardless of the time setting (assuming all other settings being default or equal) that players will have the same number of drops or vendor/trader changes before the next horde night. (30 min is not exactly true right away, but it does end up being the same after some time.) It also shows that the 120 min cycle setting allows for twice as much time to be prepared for the next horde. And, because, 7D2D is a net positive time effect game, it will almost always result in a better than 2x factor for being ready.
Having said that, I also realize that if a player relies solely or mostly on Supply Drops, Vending Machines (for Food), and Traders (especially for ammo) that the game might appear to be more difficult. But, that almost seems to ignore all the additional time for farming, hunting, crafting, etc. An analogy for me would be setting the experience setting to provide 200% experience, but then only assigning perks to things you never or almost never use.
I know 90 minute and 120 minute settings make the game easier. (90 being half as much as 120.) Just like I now know that the 30 minute setting makes the 'harder'. You are always scrambling to get ready for the first horde. And, you realize that choices need to be made very quickly and that time is extremely precious and cannot be wasted. 120 minute setting is very much the opposite. If I make a mistake, almost always no big deal to fix. Lots of time. I can craft twice as many bullets every day on 120 vs 60. (And half as many on the 30 minute setting.) Because it's not just about crafting time, I have twice as much time to go find brass, after I emptied the trader of all of his ammo.) And I will have almost twice as much experience for each horde as I do on 60 minutes. (That's not speculation. I do.)
Now, you could posit that after 14 hours real time my two characters will have roughly the same amount of experience at either setting. (Assuming settings are the same, and that my playstyle is the same). And actually, it works out that that seems to be 'close'. (Level / GameStage / LootStage) What it is not saying is that my 60 minute character has had to survive 2 hordes (and the tension that goes with that), while my 120 minute character has had only one. Yes, my 60 minute character has twice as many loot drops, but all loot drops are not that great (especially having been tweaked/rebalanced again), and is almost never close to making up for you needed to use for the horde. (If it did, you would never need to do anything else...) And, yes, the 60 min cycle character is getting more experience from the doubling of the hordes, but it doesn't make up for the extra z's and other activities that provide experience on the other 6 days that my 120 minute cycle character gets twice as much time to do. My 120 minute cycle horde battles are definitely easier than the same horde battle for the 60 minute cycle character. (And, as I mentioned, tension is not the same. And, 30 minute cycle tension is just too crazy for me. Maybe Aldranon, JaxTeller, KhaineGB, etc.)
The 60 minute cycle setting seems to be extremely well balanced with regards to 'tension' and 'relaxation'. (That's kind of a 'duh' as it is probably the basis for just about everything TFP does.)
BTW: This is not an admonition or anything about what cycle anyone uses or how to play. I would even promote trying 90 or 120 or even the 30 minute settings. One of the reasons 7D2D might be so successful is because it has so many ways for people to experience.
Just trying to help provide a foundation for conversations.
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I don't know if this is a bug that many people have and being worked on, but...
I was going deeper into the big city I'm having my base at and started noticing that certain parts of the road, small objects etc popped in and out again. Some for a brief second, some for a bit longer and some stayed. It seemed like the new tile system was trying to blend in 2 choices in 1 spot.
I'll send in 3 screenshots. Hope that works.
I was going deeper into the big city I'm having my base at and started noticing that certain parts of the road, small objects etc popped in and out again. Some for a brief second, some for a bit longer and some stayed. It seemed like the new tile system was trying to blend in 2 choices in 1 spot.
I'll send in 3 screenshots. Hope that works.
Mahnogard
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It's definitely why I still play. Mods help with that too. I recently installed Red Eagle's mod that adds additional day duration settings as well as how many hours are night. I've been playing 180min days and I'm really enjoying it for the way I want to play right now. Prior to that, I found that 120 was my sweet spot.
But the biggest differences for me have been the many other ptions that TFP added over time, like being able to turn off Blood Moon. In fact, I remember the debates back when some people were asking for that option, and lots of people saying "that would remove the whole point of the game". But the point of the game is to play it, as far as I'm concerned. "How" doesn't matter so much (unless you're giving feedback, which I generally only do when I feel it applies to more than just the way I play). And because of all these options that TFP have given us, and the extremely moddable xml framework, I'm still playing it. It's not because the vanilla "intended" experience isn't good enough - it's great! I just don't always want to play that way.
I just started (another) new save because I got an idea for a mini castle I want to try with land claim size set to 21. I have Blood Moon on default at the moment for this save, but if I don't think I can weather it, I'll turn it off or set it to something else. I survived a tornado last year and I still don't do so well with building something and possibly having it destroyed, and having that option and many others is why I'm spending my holiday vacation immersed in A20 instead of playing something else. Besides, there's something immersive and satisfying about the process of exploring, looting, boppin' zombos on their heads, then coming home and mining, cooking and building. Routine is nice, even in the apocalypse.
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Quantum Blue
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I absolutely agree. (When I am not using all defaults and no mods to help with bug testing) I have been a huge fan of JaxTeller's 'Ravenhurst', KhaineGB's 'When Darkness Falls' (and love the subtitle ref to 'Aliens'), SubQuakes 'Undead Legacy', (A name I don't remember) who had a Wizard/Sorcery version of 7D2D, and countless others.
Those overhauls, mods, and modlets not only show the massive diversity and ingenuity with the fanbase - but the 'willingness' of TFP to suffer some 'inconvenience' when people post errors and bug reports while using mods, to allow it to continue, and to have such an open framework to continue. (It's not perfect, but it sure is in the top of game creators that do.)
I, myself, took a little break, but am back, because of advances in the game AND because I myself do some xpath editing and modlets to kind of tweak the game for me. (Like bird's nests that destruct after purloining, etc.)
MechanicalLens
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Agreed 100%. Plus you're not limited to these settings, with some small XML tweaking you can add in custom daylengths. I'm currently playing on 75 minute days and I find it to be the healthy middle ground I've been looking for between the non-stop chaos of 60 minute days while also offering the opportunity for the player to smell the roses every once in a while like in 90 minute days, with the latter I've been playing for almost 5k hours but have since dropped permanently.
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MechanicalLens
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Have any of you ever played for 10 hours straight, to the point where you were too exhausted to continue and had to log off to retain your sanity?
Oh look, a Mo Power Electronics Store is across the street. Maybe just one sneak peak inside...
Oh look, a Mo Power Electronics Store is across the street. Maybe just one sneak peak inside...
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