Matt115
New member
Gaaz can we expect some DLC in the future ? i mean not horse armor (good old oblivion) but in old style- corruption forces pack to star wars empire at war, expension pack to cod1 etc you know- a lot of content
PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary
- Thread starter madmole
- Start date
- Status
pregnable
New member
Pretty sure I said this before, but maybe not...
Since the usefulness of stealth comes up every so often, it would be cool if bows, crossbows, and maybe knives, kept part of their sneak attack bonus, when they are sneaking, but have been discovered.
Maybe something like 50%, or whatever balance dictates. Maybe on the last rank of a skill.
That way stealth is still useful on horde night, and also works when POI triggers auto break stealth.
Since the usefulness of stealth comes up every so often, it would be cool if bows, crossbows, and maybe knives, kept part of their sneak attack bonus, when they are sneaking, but have been discovered.
Maybe something like 50%, or whatever balance dictates. Maybe on the last rank of a skill.
That way stealth is still useful on horde night, and also works when POI triggers auto break stealth.
Blake_
Captain Obvious
For crossbows it's not needed. For knives there's already bleeding, which is OP enough without having to add any extra sneak damage bonus. I mean, I'm partial to that effect if the bonus is given by future armour sets.
Khalagar
Active member
You must be on a really low difficulty then. Even fully perked into stealth and into the sniper (which isn't even in the stealth tree for some reason), a headshot wouldn't one shot an irradiated on the difficulty I play on
They are right that stealth is pretty much useless because of the way the game treats stealth. It doesn't matter if you have zero points in stealth and an unsilenced weapon, as long as you are outside of the sleeper aggro zone they won't aggro when you shoot unless you miss and hit the wall / floor. You can stand outside the room with 12 zombies asleep in it, crouch with an unsilenced hunting rifle, and just sit there head shotting the 12 zombies one by one. There's some small chance the room will wake up each time you hit an entity in the room, but you can usually clear most of the room before they aggro.
Stealth also doesn't even work on the most important night of the week, so all the points you invested in stealth are completely useless on the hardest part of the game.
Until they rework the sleeper system, stealth is just a RP / "nice to have I guess" thing that isn't really worth putting points into unless you just want to for RP reasons. All of those points in stealth could just go into weapon damage and parkour instead and it would be much more impactful
POCKET951
New member
to me, if you know the POI you are doing very well, stealth is simply a way to clear lots of zombies in a POI without using any bullets.I usually always carry a crossbow for this
BFT2020
Well-known member
I must be missing something. Looking at the T3 bows, I don't see any tags for Perception or any perks in the perception tree. I just see
<item name="gunBowT3CompoundBow">
<property name="Tags" value="weapon,ranged,bowDrawPenalty,archery,bow,attAgility,perkArchery,canHaveCosmetic"/>
and
<item name="gunBowT3CompoundCrossbow">
<property name="Tags" value="weapon,ranged,holdBreathAiming,reloadPenalty,sideAttachments,smallTopAttachments,mediumTopAttachments,attAgility,perkArchery,crossbow,canHaveCosmetic"/>
For Perception to affect anything on those weapons, you would need attPerception and perkDeadshot....at least that is what I thought. I see nothing on those items referring back to Perception or Deadshot.
Here I believe is the sneak bonus damage
<effect_group name="sneak damage bonus">
<requirement name="CVarCompare" cvar="_crouching" operation="Equals" value="1"/>
<requirement name="CVarCompare" cvar="_notAlerted" operation="GT" value="0" target="other"/>
<passive_effect name="DamageBonus" operation="base_add" value="2"/>
<passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="perc_add" value="2" tags="perkArchery"/>
<display_value name="dEntityDamageSneak" value="2"/>
</effect_group>
</item>
Always proof read what you write and verify it reads what happens
Hidden strike affects all weapons except sledgehammers. Bows and knives have an additional item modifier for sneak damage. Fully perked hidden strike with any weapon other than knives and bows will give you a sneak damage bonus of 3x. With bows and knives, you get additional bonus damage with hidden strike.
Last edited by a moderator:
stallionsden
Tester
Roland
Moderator
stallionsden
Tester
Lmao I just re enquired from the server I play on and it is the 4th one - warrior no loot respawn. Still can stealth a radiated.
Compound bow maxed on archery maxed on hidden and in the shadows . Full to military gear inc stealth boots..
You still looking for your ziplines in the game lol
nielm269
New member
Don't need a bag, I can just use the wrench to take all the teeth out what's the worst that can happen I get gummed to death?
Gazz
Fun Pimps Staff
MechanicalLens
New member
Outlaw_187
Active member
Just please....for all that is holy.....make sure you have plenty of antibiotics on you!!!
Oh and make sure it's the blue & white pill....don't think the green pill or honey will do here!
Demonoid74
New member
Who needs horses...we could just use that armor to ride trader jen across the wasteland...be like one of them Skyrim mods... ... ...
Mistwraith
New member
Hello.
tl;dr Game better then Fallout, needs tweaking and new assets.
I am pretty new to the game, but have 230 hours on my account within a few weeks now. (I am at home atm, as you can guess .. serious illnesses).
As a 45 years old gamer that played games since the C64 I have to say, that 7DTD is pretty addictive and is one of the best games I have encountered in my entire life. Open World RPGs are my weakness anyways and there is a lot of stuff that is done the right way here. Thank you very much for this experience.
I especialy enjoy the base building over games like Fallout 4. There are way more creative possibilities here and I can't wait for the new shapes in A20. Beeing able to lay electric cables within blocks is a great plus as well, I hated the way Fallout handles power lines.
Also great, but with a grain of salt, is painting your buildings. On one hand I love the feature to give different appearances to my buildings, like an old shack or an abandoned manor. But on the other hand its a very tedious and tiring work to paint thousends of surface blocks for no ExP gain.
There is no relation to, lets say, smith 1k of steel bars. I dont even have to be there to smith steel bars and I get ExP for it. Painting a building for 2 hours should give a reward as well, because the work I as a player do, is significantly higher.
Another point of concern is the lack of Zombie models. They get really boring after a while. I think that a solution that is managable to this is to use the meshes for player clothing on them as well. I dont care if its always the same Darlene, if she is wearing different stuff from time to time. Other games do it the same way and it creates a great illusion of diversity. Glowing eyes and skin doesn't do it to fight the inside jokes my wife and I make about the most prevalent cloth line in your world. They effectively became a joke because of that.
The building assets are great overall, I took us a while to discover that almost all of them have some hidden places with the good loot. But there are too few, still. After a few weeks you know exactly where everything is. The community has done great assets so far, but this brings me to the point of this section: The asset creator and world builder. Its nearly impossible to find tutorials or other documents that teaches us how to use them. Despite my Google-Fu I just found some obscure tips and hints on how to actually save the changes you made. I would like to create new assets as this is my forte as you may have guessed, but the lack of information on how to use the tools is limiting. Perhaps I just failed in finding it, I tend to be blind to the obvious sometimes. If this is the case, then please respond with a link, anyone. Thank you.
I also have an idea for a new item. The lawn-mower. Seriously, I would like to have one. Our bases are always surrounded by a clear strip of land for visibility, which means to eradicate all the grass by hand. Having a lawn-mower that cuts grass would make this less boring. Especially because lawn-mowers tend to be very loud ....
You could pack that into the mechanics perk tree and even make a (very loud) weaponized version of it.
This next point also is about the world building: In A20 it looks like this point is adressed already. The terrain gets better, and it looks like that some of the regions look more urban. This is something the game desperately needs. Urban regions. I would love to do assets for that (see two points above) because it really bugs me to see a ranch, a field, a rural coal mine, a skyscaper, a farm building and a shed next to each other in a rural region all of the time. "Which construction company decided that it is a good financial investment to build a skyscraper next to a few sheds?", is the question that always comes to mind when roaming through the world. And that, at least for me, breaks immersion in a great way.
Another point is the lack of information I have before I build or cook something. It would be really helpful to know that a cake that is using lots of my precious lard has way less nutrition value than another item I can do more easily at the moment that has more value. You have to make the items blind and note down or remember the values for each one for the next time. Some of the food items especially dont make sense. I cook for my family for years now, and an item that uses "4 lard" that is equaly or only slighlty more nutritious than one that is using only meat and egg doesnt make sense from a cooks perspective.
Our two cents to the inventory controversy: Please let us stack more items. Clothing items, cigars and tools with the same lvl/stats really dont need to be in seperate slots. There are always PhD's mods for those that really need to carry their whole neighbourhood with them, but as a former construction and metal worker I can assure you, that I can carry more then a few tools. Also, people that are stronger then others tend to be able to carry more, as well. They dont need a perk for that. Strength alone is sufficient. I understand and fully support limited inventory space. But not beeing able to loot a single house (at the beginning) just makes you run circels back to your chests all the time. And because you did that a few times now there are no zombies, nothing is happening. Therefore it feels like the "Slow Walking Simulator with nothing happening" always after you start a new game. Its gets better with the perks and mods during the game, but a new start always tends to be boring slowly walking back to your chest.
Despite all this: Great game. I love it.
A last word for those that rant about the continuous alpha status of the game: Please, calm down already. Learn to differentiate between two brothers with a dream and Todd Howard. They are not the same. You can't hold them to the same standards. I am one of the many people that tryed to make a game in Unity and failed myself, despite of planing a learing how to do stuff beforehand. Making a game is not that easy.
tl;dr Game better then Fallout, needs tweaking and new assets.
I am pretty new to the game, but have 230 hours on my account within a few weeks now. (I am at home atm, as you can guess .. serious illnesses).
As a 45 years old gamer that played games since the C64 I have to say, that 7DTD is pretty addictive and is one of the best games I have encountered in my entire life. Open World RPGs are my weakness anyways and there is a lot of stuff that is done the right way here. Thank you very much for this experience.
I especialy enjoy the base building over games like Fallout 4. There are way more creative possibilities here and I can't wait for the new shapes in A20. Beeing able to lay electric cables within blocks is a great plus as well, I hated the way Fallout handles power lines.
Also great, but with a grain of salt, is painting your buildings. On one hand I love the feature to give different appearances to my buildings, like an old shack or an abandoned manor. But on the other hand its a very tedious and tiring work to paint thousends of surface blocks for no ExP gain.
There is no relation to, lets say, smith 1k of steel bars. I dont even have to be there to smith steel bars and I get ExP for it. Painting a building for 2 hours should give a reward as well, because the work I as a player do, is significantly higher.
Another point of concern is the lack of Zombie models. They get really boring after a while. I think that a solution that is managable to this is to use the meshes for player clothing on them as well. I dont care if its always the same Darlene, if she is wearing different stuff from time to time. Other games do it the same way and it creates a great illusion of diversity. Glowing eyes and skin doesn't do it to fight the inside jokes my wife and I make about the most prevalent cloth line in your world. They effectively became a joke because of that.
The building assets are great overall, I took us a while to discover that almost all of them have some hidden places with the good loot. But there are too few, still. After a few weeks you know exactly where everything is. The community has done great assets so far, but this brings me to the point of this section: The asset creator and world builder. Its nearly impossible to find tutorials or other documents that teaches us how to use them. Despite my Google-Fu I just found some obscure tips and hints on how to actually save the changes you made. I would like to create new assets as this is my forte as you may have guessed, but the lack of information on how to use the tools is limiting. Perhaps I just failed in finding it, I tend to be blind to the obvious sometimes. If this is the case, then please respond with a link, anyone. Thank you.
I also have an idea for a new item. The lawn-mower. Seriously, I would like to have one. Our bases are always surrounded by a clear strip of land for visibility, which means to eradicate all the grass by hand. Having a lawn-mower that cuts grass would make this less boring. Especially because lawn-mowers tend to be very loud ....
You could pack that into the mechanics perk tree and even make a (very loud) weaponized version of it.
This next point also is about the world building: In A20 it looks like this point is adressed already. The terrain gets better, and it looks like that some of the regions look more urban. This is something the game desperately needs. Urban regions. I would love to do assets for that (see two points above) because it really bugs me to see a ranch, a field, a rural coal mine, a skyscaper, a farm building and a shed next to each other in a rural region all of the time. "Which construction company decided that it is a good financial investment to build a skyscraper next to a few sheds?", is the question that always comes to mind when roaming through the world. And that, at least for me, breaks immersion in a great way.
Another point is the lack of information I have before I build or cook something. It would be really helpful to know that a cake that is using lots of my precious lard has way less nutrition value than another item I can do more easily at the moment that has more value. You have to make the items blind and note down or remember the values for each one for the next time. Some of the food items especially dont make sense. I cook for my family for years now, and an item that uses "4 lard" that is equaly or only slighlty more nutritious than one that is using only meat and egg doesnt make sense from a cooks perspective.
Our two cents to the inventory controversy: Please let us stack more items. Clothing items, cigars and tools with the same lvl/stats really dont need to be in seperate slots. There are always PhD's mods for those that really need to carry their whole neighbourhood with them, but as a former construction and metal worker I can assure you, that I can carry more then a few tools. Also, people that are stronger then others tend to be able to carry more, as well. They dont need a perk for that. Strength alone is sufficient. I understand and fully support limited inventory space. But not beeing able to loot a single house (at the beginning) just makes you run circels back to your chests all the time. And because you did that a few times now there are no zombies, nothing is happening. Therefore it feels like the "Slow Walking Simulator with nothing happening" always after you start a new game. Its gets better with the perks and mods during the game, but a new start always tends to be boring slowly walking back to your chest.
Despite all this: Great game. I love it.
A last word for those that rant about the continuous alpha status of the game: Please, calm down already. Learn to differentiate between two brothers with a dream and Todd Howard. They are not the same. You can't hold them to the same standards. I am one of the many people that tryed to make a game in Unity and failed myself, despite of planing a learing how to do stuff beforehand. Making a game is not that easy.
Khalagar
Active member
I wasn't talking about the bows, I was just saying if you are using a stealth focused build you are *probably* using the sniper since it's got the longest range, but yeah I didn't think about people using the crossbow since it gets the headshot multiplier. Even with the multiplier, I wonder if a fully perked crossbow beats a fully perked sniper with both sneak attacking. I've not really done a lot of testing with crossbow beyond trying it and not liking it at all
BFT2020
Well-known member
On survivalist mode, you can one shot a radiated zombie with a bow in stealth. Getting a headshot and having the 6x multiplier for stealth helps.
Everything though is relative. Soft targets you are going to one shot. Hard targets (armored like the soldier) it will depend if you decapitate them.
But nobody said it was only against hard targets so yes, it is possible to take out an unaware radiated zombie with the bows.
I even was able to do it with a stealth rifle.
Everything though is relative. Soft targets you are going to one shot. Hard targets (armored like the soldier) it will depend if you decapitate them.
But nobody said it was only against hard targets so yes, it is possible to take out an unaware radiated zombie with the bows.
I even was able to do it with a stealth rifle.
Last edited by a moderator:
Matt115
New member
Uncle Al
Active member
This is an excellent idea and just what we need to implement a proper LBS (learn by screwing) system. The zombie type that you 'weapon test' on could give appropriate perk points - Big Mama gives Motherlode, Bikers give Grease Monkey, Skater Dudes give Parkour and so forth. To gain Deadeye you need to perform a special move on any zombie with an empty eye socket.
- Status