PC Please REMOVE the Strip Club POI

[meganoth]

Concerning the objectification of women. I'll probably tell you a secret, but all women working in strip clubs, escort girls and the rest of the similar industry go there at will. No one can force women to do this (this is prohibited by law) and, accordingly, such locations in games are not something depressing.

Sorry, but that is naive. Sure there are probably a lot of generally above the board strip clubs and a lot of women doing this just as a job, but there are also a lot of clubs with strong connections to organized crime and with that comes slave trade and forced prostitution. 

 

[Roland]

Note, I am the father of young women who love this kind of game.

Perhaps you can use the game as a teaching moment and a show of your commitment to your values. Just as you would not patronize a stripper club in the real world, you could show your young daughters your values by not ever going into the stripper club in the game. By foregoing whatever loot might be in there and canceling any quest that might take you inside you could show your kids that even though such places exist, we don't have to take part in them.

If you are religious as well you could even take the view that the proliferation of strip clubs in the pre-apocalyptic world brought down the judgement of the Almighty with a plague and punishment equal to the Flood in its devastation. In that case you would need to see the evidence of wickedness in the world that justified the wrath and that could justify their inclusion.

Removing the strip clubs from the game as well as the stripper zombies wouldn't really do anything to lessen the objectification of women in the world. But YOU boycotting them by either removing them from the game, or refusing to interact with them, or even uninstalling 7 Days to Die and removing it from your household all together and letting your daughters witness your actions could be a powerful way to fight the objectification of women in your own sphere and set the example for the values you hold dear.

The real lesson of import is that we cannot often control what the world and our environment throws at us that may violate our values. All we can control is what we do in response. To that end I applaud your feedback because you are doing something in reaction. As it is unlikely that there will be any change, you will have to choose next how you will react.

Also....seeing as I quoted the part of your OP that gives people the faintest idea of why you are letting young children play an M-rated game in the first place....why are you?

The Pimps said they dont wanna put kid zombies because they themselves dont feel good about doing so, not because of the fear of potential outrage it could cause.

Actually the reason is because they want this game to be an international hit and some countries would ban a game in which children (even zombie children) are being killed. I don't think the devs are against it, themselves, as The Walking Dead was a major source of inspiration and it is infamous for depicting children being killed. Zombie Girl shot by Rick in the pilot episode and "look at the yellow flowers" being the two big examples I can think of.

No, there is no reticence about including it in the game in and of itself. It comes down to what markets would we lose if we did it.

 

[Orgrim]

Дорогие товарищи выжившие! Я удивлен тому что пишут люди, не хотите что бы ваши дочки видели это заберите у них провод от компа, из за таких людей как вы наши любимые игры портятся. Начиная от лора игры заканчивая историей. Я человек толерантный. Но когда вы несете откровенную чушь, я молчать не буду

 

[Matt115]

You're not really following TC train of thought if you're saying strip clubs are out of context only due to the setting you personally believe 7DTD happens into. TC states is opinion based on political correctness, you're not really talking about the same thing.

The Pimps said they dont wanna put kid zombies because they themselves dont feel good about doing so, not because of the fear of potential outrage it could cause. But other studios did it, notably Visceral in Dead Space 1 and more in Dead Space 2, where you have baby and teenage necromorphs that you have to kill.

The noose attached to a tree in the backyard of one of the houses is a reference to The Conjuring movie i believe. At least it does look like it. And what if there would still be a corpse hanging on it? It fits in the apocalyptic tone of 7DTD and this is a recurring element in such setting, just like in the Walking Dead, from which this game is directly inspired of. If someone would be offended by that, it would be because they decided to go along their offended feelings and not because the Pimps deliberately tried to offend people or to downplay the issue of suicide. Like TC is insinuating.

1.To first part  yeah but he doesn't wrote only about it.

2. i don't remember zombie teens in dead space, just baby and preteen(crawler and lurker) and this game had a lot of controversy these time. Honestly zombie preteens or baby could be too bad, but zombie high schooler could suit good. We have a lot of school POIs .  Zombie teens you have in days gone, no more room in hell and dying light and they are rly good enemies types ( in days gone are passive most of the time, in no more room are fast and hard to hit in head, and in  dying light they are working similiar to screamer with sound attack). So it would be too much controversial in 2013 , in 2014, 2015 maybe 2016, 2017, 2018 but now?  just another type of zombie. even minecraft have them.  So i hope Pimps will change their mind.

3. Well what if there were hanging body? this same sitation like with strip club unfortunatly. But it would more suit that  empty rope : in cod you have a lot of hanging corpses, this same in dying light , days gone. so this would be good

 

[MrRandomRus]

Так что это будет спорным, но не должно быть. В настоящее время есть несколько точек интереса, которые вызывают беспокойство, но Стриптиз-клуб - самый важный. Я некоторое время обдумывал этот пост, но, увидев некоторые превью A20, мне кажется, что они делают больше вариаций этого POI, и, следовательно, пора сделать шаг вперед.

Заметьте, я отец молодых женщин, которые любят такие игры. Но меня не устраивают мистические образы стриптиз-клуба. Трупы женщин в клетках усугубляют влияние места, которое полностью посвящено объективизации женщин.

На мой взгляд, проверка для такого рода вещей состоит в том, чтобы подумать, если бы игра была разработана женщинами, попала бы в нее POI. Совершенно уверен, что нет.

Я чувствую, что TFP в некоторой степени осведомлены об этой проблеме. Женские персонажи получают лучшие наряды; У стриптизерши настоящая одежда, у медсестры типичный гендерно-нейтральный наряд, скорее, есть какой-то клише из 50-х (хотя теперь у каждого женского персонажа очень большая грудь, что также является реальной проблемой для имиджа для женщин). 

Пожалуйста, отнеситесь к этому отзыву серьезно. Хотя ожидается, что рынок игр мужской, зачем ставить барьеры для женщин. Больше игроков означает больше продаж и лучшее сообщество.

Если вы прочитали это и согласны, пожалуйста, сообщите об этом.

please don’t talk @%$#, delete your comment, people like you are pathetic, if you don’t like something, don’t look

 

[Kyonshi]

Actually the reason is because they want this game to be an international hit and some countries would ban a game in which children (even zombie children) are being killed. I don't think the devs are against it, themselves, as The Walking Dead was a major source of inspiration and it is infamous for depicting children being killed. Zombie Girl shot by Rick in the pilot episode and "look at the yellow flowers" being the two big examples I can think of.

No, there is no reticence about including it in the game in and of itself. It comes down to what markets would we lose if we did it.

Oh ok, i see. I said that because im pretty such i heard them (it was Rick i think) that answered a live question about children zombies (back then during the streams about A19) and im sure he said that it wouldnt feel good or appropriate, and i guess i interpreted it like it would be too creepy and of bad taste. I think the international market reason slipped of my mind somehow.

@Matt115

Yeah preteens or teens, we're talking about the same monster. But yeah i should have said preteens.

 

[BFT2020]

eh

The company name is The Fun Pimps.  Should they also change their name since pimps in real life objectify women?

 

[Maharin]

eh

The company name is The Fun Pimps.  Should they also change their name since pimps in real life objectify women?

They pimp the fun, though... so maybe fun should be here complaining about the comparison to women?

 

[Urban Blackbear]

They pimp the fun, though... so maybe fun should be here complaining about the comparison to women?

Woah, how dare you guess the gender of fun! The PC Police will be there shortly.

Also on a sidenote I just looked up the etymology of the word "pimp". Not sure how we went from old German pimpf, literally "little fart" or "young boy" to "guy who manages prostitutes".

 

[Matt115]

Perhaps you can use the game as a teaching moment and a show of your commitment to your values. Just as you would not patronize a stripper club in the real world, you could show your young daughters your values by not ever going into the stripper club in the game. By foregoing whatever loot might be in there and canceling any quest that might take you inside you could show your kids that even though such places exist, we don't have to take part in them.

If you are religious as well you could even take the view that the proliferation of strip clubs in the pre-apocalyptic world brought down the judgement of the Almighty with a plague and punishment equal to the Flood in its devastation. In that case you would need to see the evidence of wickedness in the world that justified the wrath and that could justify their inclusion.

Removing the strip clubs from the game as well as the stripper zombies wouldn't really do anything to lessen the objectification of women in the world. But YOU boycotting them by either removing them from the game, or refusing to interact with them, or even uninstalling 7 Days to Die and removing it from your household all together and letting your daughters witness your actions could be a powerful way to fight the objectification of women in your own sphere and set the example for the values you hold dear.

The real lesson of import is that we cannot often control what the world and our environment throws at us that may violate our values. All we can control is what we do in response. To that end I applaud your feedback because you are doing something in reaction. As it is unlikely that there will be any change, you will have to choose next how you will react.

Also....seeing as I quoted the part of your OP that gives people the faintest idea of why you are letting young children play an M-rated game in the first place....why are you?

Actually the reason is because they want this game to be an international hit and some countries would ban a game in which children (even zombie children) are being killed. I don't think the devs are against it, themselves, as The Walking Dead was a major source of inspiration and it is infamous for depicting children being killed. Zombie Girl shot by Rick in the pilot episode and "look at the yellow flowers" being the two big examples I can think of.

No, there is no reticence about including it in the game in and of itself. It comes down to what markets would we lose if we did it.

And get more player thx for free advertising- even big companies like Rockstar use controversy as free advertising in media. I don't want to be political but by trying to "suit" into few countries laws we get crappy cod WW2. So if i good remember- in austrailia maybe in germany ( but  germany change their law) and arabic countries it would be banned but in my coutntries it would get more players- days gone is selling in a lot of countries this same dying light for example

Oh ok, i see. I said that because im pretty such i heard them (it was Rick i think) that answered a live question about children zombies (back then during the streams about A19) and im sure he said that it wouldnt feel good or appropriate, and i guess i interpreted it like it would be too creepy and of bad taste. I think the international market reason slipped of my mind somehow.

@Matt115

Yeah preteens or teens, we're talking about the same monster. But yeah i should have said preteens.

Yep, btw there is a 2 types of "kid enemy" in dead space 

eh

The company name is The Fun Pimps.  Should they also change their name since pimps in real life objectify women?

Well Pimps sound like scottish band. 

 

[JCrook1028]

strip club and strip are good and people will love it but zombie teens too controversial.

The difference is that child zombies will get the game banned in certain countries. So no miners, period. Not inconsistent at all, simply don't want the game banned from parts of the world.

 

[Matt115]

The difference is that child zombies will get the game banned in certain countries. So no miners, period. Not inconsistent at all, simply don't want the game banned from parts of the world.

Well stuff conected with sex is banned in some countries too in games. If i good remember gta and sabouter had this problem. Even that it can be avoided using a trick -  like add "offical" mod to this game on forum. Like one of dev decided to add this but as a modder, it will 100% legal - just past in news link to this mod in game news. And if someone want to add them they will just could do this. This solution sound stupid but few devs use this to avoid law problems

 

[JCrook1028]

Well stuff conected with sex is banned in some countries too in games. If i good remember gta and sabouter had this problem

What's "connected with sex" in this game that could be banned anywhere? Is there anything? If so this would be the first time I've heard of it.

 

[warmer]

What makes anyone think they can dictate what other people create with their own blood, sweat, and tears?

When people talk about being sensitive to things in a game, a game which has a primary gameplay activity involving killing things graphically, I am always reminded of a quote from Larry Flint (The creator of Hustler)

"Murder is illegal but if you take a picture of somebody committing the act of murder they'll put you on the cover of Newsweek, you might even win a Pulitzer Prize and yet sex is legal everybody is "doing it" or everybody wants to be "doing it". Yet if you take a picture of two people in the act of sex or if you take a picture of a woman's naked body and they'll put you in jail."

Context. This is a video game. A fantasy world of an epically bad scenario. Why on earth do you want to water down anything that makes the apocalypse gritty? If anyone thinks the apocalypse is going to be censored for their particular flavor of ideal consumption, it's NOT THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE. 

 

[Matt115]

What's "connected with sex" in this game that could be banned anywhere? Is there anything? If so this would be the first time I've heard of it.

stipper zombie , strip club. This is connected with sex ul thing right?  yeah this sound funny but law is strange sometimes. Even sexual jokes can be banned sometimes

 

[JCrook1028]

stipper zombie , strip club. This is connected with sex ul thing right?  yeah this sound funny but law is strange sometimes. Even sexual jokes can be banned sometimes

Stripper zombies is gone and the strip club has not made anyplace ban the game. Next.

 

[Matt115]

Stripper zombies is gone and the strip club has not made anyplace ban the game. Next.

But it was added. So if any guy from governament wanted to take care about it they could right?

 

[JCrook1028]

But it was added. So if any guy from governament wanted to take care about it they could right?

Point is tho that none have. Children being killed is an auto ban under currently existing laws from some countries. You still have yet to name a "sexual" thing in the game that would auto get it banned under current law anywhere in the world. I'll wait.

 

[warmer]

But it was added. So if any guy from governament wanted to take care about it they could right?

You don't understand how free speech works. If a Government wants to ban a game for a POI that doesn't contain any nudity, they are banning the word or concept. There is zero sexual about the location other than what the name implies.

It implies you might see some nudity inside.

You guys ever looked in your spam folder? How about we go after people delivering porn to minors emails. That's a problem. This is not. Take responsibility for buying a game with a Mature rating and MOVE ON.

 

[Matt115]

Point is tho that none have. Children being killed is an auto ban under currently existing laws from some countries. You still have yet to name a "sexual" thing in the game that would auto get it banned under current law anywhere in the world. I'll wait.

Even hm "almost naked body " can be banned : dead or alive , hunting grounds,  mgs V (Quiet ) and more games. And in some game devs are forced to change clothes of characters for example .

You don't understand how free speech works. If a Government wants to ban a game for a POI that doesn't contain any nudity, they are banning the word or concept. There is zero sexual about the location other than what the name implies.

It implies you might see some nudity inside.

You guys ever looked in your spam folder? How about we go after people delivering porn to minors emails. That's a problem. This is not. Take responsibility for buying a game with a Mature rating and MOVE ON.

Banning world of concept it just stupid idea becauce well this is sometimes need to use - you know if governament want to get support they will for example fight with weed. But first people need to know what weed is.

But my point is :

I doesn't write stip club is wrong. I wrote this could be banned is some countries. And zombie teens are controversial too and could be banned in some contries but still they add stip but not zombie teens. 

In some older games devs was forced to even cut "dirty" jokes. So law works strange. it doesn't even need to nudity. Even sex doll can be reason why game can be banned ( one of mw games because there is a sex doll)